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WOW. I'm shocked at this. It's a complete and total dealbreaker, and it hasn't even been widely discussed. I'm returning the camera because of it. What utter BS. It's amazing how engineers and other left-brain geniuses can design such amazing tech and simultaneously be so idiotic when it comes to basic user interface issues. All it would take is a modest investment to hire a small team of creatives to beta-test and avoid this kind of crap. I was really looking forward to using my A7rii as a B cam. For the work I do, this thing is a paperweight. 

Double the price? Hardly. Fs7+ extension unit + odyssey 7q+ = 14,000

Good points. Thanks for the input! Different applications call for different tools, that's for sure.

I know this line of thought is going to sound dumb and woefully redundant (and maybe provocative) but after all I've read (and invested), I'm still struggling to see the overall advantages to shooting a 5D3 raw over a C100 in a production environment (specifically: regional commercial retail and fashion).

 

What am I missing? Is it the full frame sensor? A cost savings of a couple grand? The way I see it, $6-$8K for a camera is NOTHING for a business or even an independent contractor. Then again, I don't want to waste money if the hacked 5D3 can do the heavy lifting in a production environment.

 

We can all point to "tests" and all kinds of numbers. But seriously guys, look at what the C100 is putting out in skilled hands: 

 

What's the real argument for a hacked 5D3 over THAT???

 

This is the kind of work we aspire to do in 2014. The sample here is all on a C100, right to the card. Why would anyone opt for a 5D3 Raw for that kind of work? For the 60p in 720? Being able to suddenly be a still photographer? I don't know. So here I am asking y'all.

 

Any input on this from working videographers would be great. Thanks.

Story matters most. Sorry.

Still wondering about that price point. $2K difference between what EOSHD is quoting and elsewhere. ANYBODY? HELLO?

ANDREW, where did you get the $8K price from? I don't see it quoted at $8K range anywhere but here. Naturally I want to believe you and not the other sites quoting it at 9 or 10K. Not a huge deal to me with these outlandish specs. Just curious about your source....

[quote author=Johnnie link=topic=354.msg2192#msg2192 date=1330818464]
May I correct and say that in audio, edge goes to Canon and not to Nikon.

The D800 does not allow audio adjusting after pressing the rec button. Canon does!

Thanks.

Johnnie
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OK. How about audio QUALITY? Funny how it never comes up in most forums. (Unless it's a q&a on how you can get pro audio with a toy zoom and a toy videomic for under $200 when in reality you can BARELY get into a pro audio kit with REAL equipment for $3K.)

DSLR pre-amps are crap. The recording quality is crap. No XLR inputs = toy. Period. Now with the moire fix, LACK of professional audio is the main hindrance to professional use of these cameras.

"But I can dual record and use Plural Eyes!"

Yeah, you can. Or you THINK you can. Until at some point you forget to hit the blinking red record button on your zoom toy. Or at some point you get a corrupted file with the cheap SD card. Or you just understand from the get-go that for day-to-day workflow, dual recording is a major PITA.

For the rest of us who actually pay our bills with our day-to-day video work, it's going to take a bit more than audio adjustment function to turn dslrs into A cams.

Sorry--not railing on you personally. Just bugs me that no gives a rat's ass about something that is actually more important to most video professionals than all this other stuff combined.

[quote author=Germy1979 link=topic=354.msg2206#msg2206 date=1330875370]
[quote author=Germy1979 link=topic=354.msg2205#msg2205 date=1330874853]
... We still have yet to see a 4k DSLR...  The sad thing is, it will probably be as much, if not more than the 1DX $ wise..."


Dude,
If Canon unleashes a 4K DSLR for $7000 I will do cartwheels, as will most video producers. A functional Red Scarlet X fetches $16K. The only Q for many of us would be inclusion of a professional audio setup (XLR inputs, quality pre-amps, etc.) More likely it will cost around $12K--still good enough to kick the F3 to the curb, but not yet enough to produce buyers' remorse of the C300.