Andrew - EOSHD

Basic bitch in the house. The price was 2300 euros / £1999. I like to think of it as £1999 as that sounds better. The store in Berlin also had the Z6 III but I preferred the R5 as it's still a higher-end camera, plus the Z6 III has a few iffy and ugly attributes on the body where cost cutting is evident. The picture in 4K is so similar nowadays between cameras, so it comes down more to feel and ergonomics, and what exotic features get thrown into the mix. How good is the EVF, the screen, build quality, grip, styling, soul, autofocus and so on? Well on the EOS R5 it certainly feels like you're at the BMW end of things rather than Renault. Not that I've anything against the French. By the way the IBIS with manual focus lens adapters appears to be improved in firmware version 2.0 if you have DIS enabled as well. Better than I remember it on the EOS R3 anyway. The EOS R5 C was definitely tempting and may yet appear behind an advent calendar door before Christmas. Problem is it is 2900 euros, and that's cheapest I can find it in Berlin anyway. So whilst still a bargain, the basic bitch R5 is a sweeter deal. It's also an excellent hand warmer.

What are these on the EOS R5 C... Camera profile files, or can you load custom picture profiles like custom LOG curves? Looks groovy.

EOS R5 pros: Battery takes less of a hammering in video mode Better AF in video mode Choice of pixel binning mode available in 4K (more power and heat economical in this mode vs HQ) Cheaper second hand by about 800 euros Thinner, no fan or vent IBIS More commonly available so easier to find All the same image quality basically as the Cinema EOS version Lots of firmware updates Overheating no longer a big thing (and was partially fake to begin with - thanks Canon!) You can still use digital IS + Optical IS + at same time turn off IBIS to help with warping (I think) EOS R5-C Pros: Looks sexier 8K goes up to 60p RAW with new battery Digital IS + Optical IS avoids warping effect of IBIS Longer continuous run times in top quality modes for interviews, events, etc. 4K/120p is a bit less noisy (I thought the 4K/120p was oversampled from 8K but appears it is same pixel binned quality as basic bitch R5) Sensor & processor runs cooler Lots of fancy video features that I never use Video menus Wider range of codec options Proper slow & quick modes EOS R5-C however has some cons: The delay in switching modes, even though it's been reduced Missing IBIS is a downer, especially not good for stills shooting I don't have much need for the extra fancy pro video features like waveform, etc. I prefer to look at what I'm shooting and not have so much crap on the display I don't need 8K/60p The battery doesn't last in video mode on the EOS R5 C, ideally needs external power solution and heavier rig So basic bitch R5 it is?

Some new YouTube from me. So we have the woke Snow White movie, which has the most hated trailer in film history apparently. And The Creator which of course we know about. I resisted the temptation to run out and get a Sony FX3. Will I manage to resist buying tickets to the Wicked musical though?

Which Fuji does that? Is it that newfangled X-M5? It's odd isn't it? Sony are one of the biggest manufacturer of LCDs so they only have to buy their own fucking screens! The cakes dry up as they are stood for ages in a very dry air conditioned room... Exactly like their customers

First you criticise their cakes, then you shoot video with the Elmarit-R. The purist spirit of Leica has been broken on many layers Is that a helipad behind you or a fountain? Herr Schulz probably designed that fountain as the pump clearly has too little power to run the water at full pressure

Can I just say, that is one awesome duck photo. Nice mod and interested to see more.

At least the waiter doesn't send you a snarky email later in the evening pointing to Leica's terms and conditions on the fucking German website. "We don't guarantee functionality with anything that isn't 5 grand, sorry about that" L-mount alliance... what a mess... The only way it could be a less productive alliance would be if the USSR gets involved! It is a pity Sony closed their store at Potsdamer Platz, as I actually used to enjoy being insulted there 🙂 Once I took my Fuji X-T3 and told them how to make a decent viewfinder. Then went upstairs and meddled with their PS4 BTW these posh stores really should invest in some fucking chairs. The amount of standing up that is required to take their insults is ridiculous and the free coffee can't be enjoyed as there's not even a coffee table I said to the sales woman, how about you get some chairs (in more polite phrasing of course as I am a very calm and polite person) She said sternly with a snarl... There isn't enough room! And proceeded to walk off through the massive open floor space.

Yeah it was tough to finally come out of the daze of the Canon DSLR cripple hammer era into what you thought was a completely fresh start with amazing video capabilities, only to have Canon make it unusable for anything serious and with such a devious tactic as well. That said, they have recovered admirably and now that you don't have to part with $4500 for one, it makes a lot more sense. There are not any other 8K RAW full frame 4K 120fps cameras available for $2300 on the second hand market. The Nikon Z8 is too new and still $3500+, the Z9 is hovering around $4200 and the Sony a1 is still very much in demand around the same 4k mark... So the R5 having the advantage of being an old and common tool has depreciated very nicely. Now the R5 II is out the quantities of EOS R5 will flood onto the used market in even greater numbers and we could be seeing it going down to around $1500 in a years time. Agree with you about the IBIS, it's the one thing that lets it down but as the well respected EOS R5 C (C stands for non-cripple hammer edition) shows maybe it's possible to get by without it. The EOS R5 C drives the sensor at 8K 120fps by the way... The 4K/120p is oversampled! How Canon came up with this fast of a sensor when it isn't even a stacked design blows my mind.

2024 Leicaman is the man who doesn't realise he's using a Panasonic.

Missing the EVF, it would be such a lovely thing if it had one. There's an a7c for 999 euros behind the advent calendar in Foto Meyer... But not got the same charm, or has it??

It's like the very start of a director's career... A little bit of control over some minor productions, and then the skillset / toolset gets greater and greater, until you're painting a masterpiece. All about that UI The model will evolve naturally but the UI can be fucked up! I can see happening in the future a 3 or 4-way battle of AI software like the NLE wars between Adobe, Apple and Avid.

May have to sell the 5 gold rings at this rate.

Wonder if this is an issue unique to the Z6 III, as the view assist on the Zf seemed to be quite accurate for exposure. Yeah definitely would be nice to have LUTs in-camera. Panasonic S9 and S5 II leading the way on that, for the rest to catch up. Thanks for the data rate info. Canon RAW Lite in 6K on the EOS R3 is 700Mbit/s vbr That's a sweet spot for me, any higher and tend to want to delete the original RAW files or convert to ProRes LT, which is a bit of a shame. Did the AF still work in 4K 120fps for you? And estabiliser?

I opened the 10th door today and there was an arrogant Leica twat behind it. Hopefully 11th door has something chocolatey By the 24th might even have a Pentax. But it's looking most likely that it will be a Canon EOS R5, a camera I have never had a bad word about and love unconditionally. Turns out that Canon shitting themselves over bad PR has produced more firmware updates than Sony have done in 10 years! Halve the price and fast forward 4 years, oddly camera technology hasn't gone anywhere else since it came out. It's basically Z8 spec. I need to sell my EOS R7 so it'll make a nice upgrade to that. You also get a free one of these with every purchase...

So the SL2, very nice now it's much more affordable but turns out in my tests so far it's still fucking broken as it doesn't shoot 4K with the original battery and certain lenses... That is, Panasonic 50mm F1.4 S, Sigma MC-21 adapter, erm pretty much everything that isn't from Leica's own L-mount range. So it's quite a serious problem. I thought this was fixed with the new Q3 battery and new firmware updates, and the SL2-S was supposed to work from the outset. Now it seems the problem is more complicated than it appears when you are sold the camera. So I took the SL2 back for a test today at the Berlin store, only to be met with a lot of eye-rolling and a blame game: - Panasonic is to blame, apparently their lenses are faulty! - The customer is to blame, apparently I am an idiot who is using the wrong type of L-mount lenses - The Sigma MC-21 is to blame, and Canon too... For their EF lenses on the official Sigma L-mount adapter are so badly made that the Leica SL2 refuses to even do a burst shoot - And of course as a customer, I am not just to blame but also WRONG! Wrong knowledge, wrong approach, wrong skillset, blah blah blah. So I sent the feckers this link: https://www.eoshd.com/interview/interview-with-stephan-schulz-leica-camera-on-the-sl2-and-filmmaking/ And said, here's my interview with your boss in Wetzlar. Have a read of that... It's the battery's fault. And he said there would be a firmware update to mitigate it, and the battery grip would also be the solution to the fact that the SL2 battery is so shit it can't even power the autofocus motors at the same time as shooting 4K. Needless to say the Leica SL2 is now back at the store, and refunded after much finger pointing. Doesn't make me want to go back there any time soon. When it was run by Meister Camera, this store was a gem https://www.meister-camera.com Now it's run by Leica, what happened? A total change in attitude and staff knowledge. It's a pity they didn't just admit the problem still existed, was Leica's fault and not the customers, and then sold me their spare SL2-S which has better compatibility with the full L-mount ecosystem. I would have left a Leica customer, nevertheless the experience was so shit, even the thought of buying the EOS R5 appeals more than another SL2 now 😉 And that's a bloody flame thrower!

Now leaning towards EOS R5 having tried it next to a Z6 III. It’s more comfortable and premium feeling, and the spec is better, and the price is the same (used) Might be time to forgive the overheating little cretin camera. The IBIS is quite weak with adapted non-Canon lenses but things improve a lot when you enable DIS.

Sigma 35mm F2 E-mount on Nikon Z6 III would be a nice combo. The Sigma adds a bit of charm and build quality to the front of the camera for a start. Lenses on Canon RF are a bit of a disaster... Manual stuff doesn't work well with IBIS, and there's no Sigma and fewer interesting adapters.

In-camera LUTs Better menus Better EVF Colour science is different Erm, that's about it? 🙂

I would pick a7r V + Sigma 35mm f2 any day over the Q3. Especially as it is cheaper!

So the R5 is now $2.3k second hand and Z6 Mark III is $2.2k brand new (at least here in Berlin at the local shop). Now I am thinking the R5 is best for full frame 4K/120p but the Z6 Mark III might actually have some advantages of its own... The 6K RAW is 60p, whereas for 8K/60p you need the EOS R5 C and not the original R5. With Z-mount there is the Techart autofocus adapter for Leica M mount lenses and adapters, so that's a big plus for photography especially as I dislike the price, character and size of most modern native Zf lenses and Canon Rf lenses. Video autofocus and IBIS on the Z6 Mark III are improved vs the EOS R5. The Z8 is 3800 euros in comparison... Z6 III has big price advantage and also the small advantage (in my humble view) of a mechanical shutter + a slight edge in low light performance due to the lower resolution sensor. Moving parts lends an operational heft - although on Z8 you will never worry about a high shutter count tanking value or reliability of the camera. Call me old fashioned but in this solid state era I still like my mechanical mechanisms in cameras though. The 4K/120p is 1.5x DX crop but to be honest I am fine with that... This is an improvement on the already very capable Fuji X-H2 which crops a further 1.28x from 1.5x in 4K 120fps. It's also an improvement on the 2x crop G9 II and GH7 which are both very nice for slow-mo as well. Sure, they forgot to add a soul or retro appeal and it has put on some weight, the tubby little fucker. But I am starting to see the sense in it. Next camera coming up?

We can dream... Sony should go all in with a Minolta film camera style mirrorless. Of the two companies that should have bought the Olympus camera division, Panasonic and Sony, they could have been riding high on a full frame PEN by now had they some imagination.

I suppose it helps to have the GH2 mindset... It might be a bit cheap and look like a toy but it's capable of great things. And of course it is nowhere near as cheap or as plastic-fantastic as a GH2 but the bar has been moved on since then quite a bit in terms of build quality and ergonomics. If the Leica SL2 was still unobtainable price wise (just saw some for £1700 on eBay UK btw), take that out of the picture and I think you have the choice between Zf and EOS R5. The R5 we can probably forgive now it works properly and has had more firmware updates than a Talkie Toaster. The Zf needs forgiveness for not being a Leica. Maybe there needs to be a camera sin forgiveness ceremony this Christmas. Makes me wonder if Sony will get in on the retro camera game?

1800 euros Nikon Zf 2300 euros Leica SL2 and Canon EOS R5 And therein lies the dilemma 🙂

Nice! N-LOG white balance has to be nailed in-camera, more or less. RAW definitely more flexible in that regard. How did you find the N-LOG view assist? Is it accurate in terms of exposing N-LOG correctly or does it mess with you and the histogram? Did you spot what the difference is between N-RAW quality NORMAL and HIGH? It would be nice to get those file sizes down in 24p at least. No 4K N-RAW mode?