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I have one URSA Cine 12K just waiting for... ;- )

One of my fave ones ever! : ) I have 4x units of them (the perfect steal for 100 bucks each ; ) and am usually recommending it as a primary cine camera for every newbie willing to pursue a career in this industry ;- ) - EAG

Canon EOS-M with Magic Lantern in 1:1 mode. These are the resolutions currently available: 3072 × 1308 2880 × 1226 2560 × 1440 2520 × 1080 2160 × 1620 (doesn't work with a monitor plugged in) 1920 × 1280 Yes, there's a major crop. And yes, it is possible to overload the buffer with the 3K and 2.8K modes when shooting 12-bit. And rolling shutter is pretty terrible. But it's a digital 16mm camera with 1:1 readout that shoots raw. Practically no moire or aliasing. And a beautiful image (one of my favorites right now, bar none). Plus, one developer has been making major updates to the UI and simplifying the menus in the past 2-3 weeks. It's like a whole new camera.

Pentax Q and Nikon J1 are worth a look for 1080p and absolute smol size with fast aperture primes

I like it. These little primes are much better than some other lenses I have, including the expensive focus-by-wire lenses I have -- but I do manual focus by default so ymmv.

I ordered one, should be here by tonight.

At this point, I am pretty sure that I'll still be asking for it next January - and the January after that. 😉 It makes some sense that BMD would bring all of those upgrades to two of their most popular cameras first - now let's just hope that they don't leave the higher-end stuff out. Judging by their last set of announcements, there is some hope for new features coming to the Ursa LF, given that they're focused so heavily on pushing it into the broadcast market, but I could also see them pulling most of the people working on camera firmware and shoving them over into the firmware that runs on their boxes that are designed to fit in a server rack (the main focus of their recent announcements).

Yeah : D Get a good excuse and go for it! : ) And let us know what you think about it afterwards! ; ) We are all ears... Quite a temptation indeed, to say the least :- X

Sure : ) That's actually how this thread started back in January, and I updated it again in March with the 9.9.2 firmware update : ) So yes, PDAF itself isn't the new part here. What I meant by "quite an update" was 10.2.2 as a whole (and AF finally graduating from beta), especially "10-minute pre-record" and all on the "Same hardware" (which is why those were the two bits I put in bold), that's the news! No need for a new camera ; ) alongside 4-channel audio, Cloud Streaming and the rest. And yes, you were already asking for the URSA Cine 12K LF back in January... let's see if that one comes next ; - )

Mission 1 and Mission 1 Pro are now $100 off everywhere. It's still on the pricey side for an action camera, but my Insta360 One R/RS's are getting older/a little beat up and the batteries seem to be showing signs of age too. I'm not sure how this person did such a deep dive on the imaging pipeline, but it was an interesting read. https://gethypoxic.com/blogs/technical/gopro-mission-1-gp3-image-pipeline Info on the sensor: https://www.sony-semicon.com/files/62/flyer_industry/IMX06A-AJ1R-J_Flyer.pdf (Also saw that Sony now has a 247 megapixel MF sensor while digging that up, that's a lot of dots)

FWIW, PDAF has been in beta on the CC 6K for like a year or more now and reviewers were saying that it was working great. This release just formalizes it as released. My hope now is that BMD will finally follow through on their statements that PDAF coming to other omdern cameras, including the Ursa LF. That and 4-channel recording would be a nice update for it.

I'd be interested in testing it. I currently have a Nubia Z60U which is capable of capturing 4k 60P RAW without any dropped frames using Motioncam. So, yes, this phone is a power horse!

Now this is quite an update... Blackmagic Camera 10.2.2 brings PDAF, continuous autofocus, face and object detection to the Cinema Camera 6K, including adjustable AF transition speed and the ability to pause continuous AF by holding the focus button. But 10-minute pre-record is probably just as interesting (and maybe even more useful in the real world). Up to 10 minutes before you actually press REC... : -) Also added: • 4-channel audio recording • Blackmagic Cloud Streaming • AF mode shortcut assignment • selectable pre-record duration from 5 seconds up to 10 minutes What I find particularly interesting is what this does to the value proposition of the original BMCC 6K. Same hardware, but it is becoming a considerably more capable production camera than the one people originally reviewed. Blackmagic seem to be doing something quite clever here: features developed for PYXIS and their broader production ecosystem are progressively finding their way back into the Cinema Camera 6K. Firmware extending the useful life of hardware rather than giving us another body every year... I can live with that! ; ) EAG :- ) article BMD support page PS: And I even paid about half thanks to that promotional price mentioned on these same pages... remember? : P

Yeah the FX2 is a great camera. We've come to rely on the A7IV a lot because they are cheap, and just produce a darn good image in almost any situation. Now queue the FX2, basically just a better version of that. I'm probably going to buy a bunch of them here pretty soon for a new studio setup.

In the longer term, I am also watching small LOFIC sensors, because for this kind of digital Normal 8mm camera the real limitation may be highlight latitude rather than resolution. A compact 1/2.8" or 1/3" RAW sensor with better single-exposure highlight handling could be very interesting. Another related experiment would be using spectral filters, possibly with a monochrome sensor, to approximate the response of color negative film layers — so the “film look” would start partly at the capture stage, not only later as a LUT in post.

Thanks Clark, this is extremely useful. La Faux Bolex is exactly the kind of reference I was hoping to find. I had not looked seriously enough at the machine-vision / GigE route before. The idea of using an existing industrial camera with a proper C-mount is very appealing, especially if it avoids the nightmare of designing the sensor mount, power rails and MIPI/libcamera side from scratch. Your warning about lens-to-sensor distance is probably the most important part. I was tempted by the “bare phone sensor” experiment because damaged phones are now very cheap here in Poland — for example a Motorola Edge 50 Pro with a broken corner can be found for around 100$ — and the phone already gives you screen, battery, storage and potentially RAW video recording. But I agree that mechanically it could become a nightmare: flange distance, dust, IR filter, sensor cover glass, alignment and destroying the camera module. So maybe the phone route is only worth trying as a cheap destructive proof-of-concept to see whether the Pan-Cinor / Normal 8mm look is interesting enough digitally, not as the final camera architecture. The C-mount machine-vision route sounds more “correct” for a real build: industrial camera with known sensor position factory C-mount alignment DNG / raw frame recording Raspberry Pi / Compute Module control then adapt D-mount lenses mechanically My only concern is the D-mount to C-mount adapter. Since D-mount has a shorter flange distance than C-mount, the adapter needs to recess the D-mount lens enough to reach infinity. Have you tested whether the Fotodiox D-to-C adapter actually gives infinity focus with D-mount lenses, or is it more of a macro-only solution? For my project the ideal sensor size would be close to the Normal 8mm gate, around 4.5 × 3.3 mm or slightly larger. That is why I was looking at sensors like AR0234 or IMX900. But your point makes sense: a slightly larger industrial C-mount camera that already works may be much more practical than a theoretically perfect bare MIPI module with no adapter board and no driver. The pistol-grip form factor is also very close to what I have in mind — more like a digital Regular 8mm camera than a normal modern video camera. Thanks again. I’ll study La Faux Bolex more carefully.

I'm currently building a variation on the Faux Bolex project. https://github.com/lafauxbolex It's meant to recreate a Digital Bolex so it uses a machine vision camera with the same sensor (Basler Aviator avA2300-25gc Gig-E) which is 2K and has a Super16 sensor size but because I want a smaller camera, I'm using a different industrial camera whose sensor is a tiny bit more than 8mm. The Basler Ace acA1300-30gc. The DNG files it makes are 1280x960 pixels. So between 720p and 1080. I'm keeping the 4:3 aspect ratio. I'm thinking of something that you hold like a pistol as most 8mmm cameras were designed like. The FB project uses a regular size Raspberry Pi but to be smaller I'm using a Raspberry Pi Compute Module coupled with a Waveshare Nano Baseboard B for the IO. If you did something similar the machine vision camera likely would have a C-mount. You could easily put in a C to D adaptor and use D-mount lenses. https://fotodioxpro.com/products/d-c-p?_pos=1&_fid=d8b00a026&_ss=c This project saves to CinemaDNG files. A single raw file for each frame. There isn't audio implemented (yet). You can use a separate audio recorder if you want sound then sync it up later. There are some camera tests on Youtube. https://www.youtube.com/@LaFauxBolexDigitalCinemaCamera Having said that I haven't got it up and running yet. I don't have a background in programming so many things are new to me and I have other projects on the go and other cameras I can shoot with so this isn't urgent and I've set it aside for now. It involves both Python and C++. I don't have the experience to debug things properly. (I might just hire somebody to do that.) Being a passion project by an individual who is doing this on the side from working (in the film industry) and raising a family, he doesn't have time for much support. (Last I heard he had his prototype working and is out making a movie with it.) Check it out, but it is very DIY. This might not be the right project for you and one of the other Raspberry Pi camera projects like CinePi might be easier to set up and get running. The FB connects with Ethernet. Some of the dedicated cameras for the Pi connect differently and are easier to get up and running. The Raspberry Pi Global Shutter camera has a global shutter and connects to the CSI connector on the Pi. https://www.raspberrypi.com/products/raspberry-pi-global-shutter-camera/ So, warnings: A critical finicky thing is the lens to sensor distance. One micrometre can make a big difference in your focus. I recommend not messing with that. Get a camera that already has a C-mount and add a D-mount adapter. Don't try to create your own lens mount on to a bare sensor. It can be done but you'll spend weeks trying to get it right and it won't be fun. The other thing would be the sensor's physical size. It should be the size of the old 8mm film gate (which is 4.5mm x 3.3mm, 5.58mm diagonally) or a bit larger. Post on here how you're going with this. It'll be interesting to many people.

I think the closest thing to what you're looking for is the cinepi project. That or there was at least some project recently where somebody removed the glass from a smartphone and juryrigged a lens mount to it. That'd be another place to start.

Hi everyone, I’m wondering if anyone here has tried to build a small digital RAW camera specifically around Normal 8mm / Regular 8mm cine lenses, especially D-mount zooms like the SOM Berthiot Pan-Cinor 8–40mm. The idea is not to make another action camera or phone rig, but something closer to a tiny indie digital 8mm camera: small sensor matched to the Normal 8mm image circle D-mount flange distance RAW10 / RAW12 capture global shutter if possible simple HDMI preview recording to SSD film-like color pipeline: linear matrix, log curve, gentle highlight roll-off maybe later: piezo micro-shift or a controlled “organic” sensor/optical movement to reduce the fixed digital feel I have been looking at sensors/modules such as Sony IMX900 and AR0234. The IMX900 seems more realistic as a ready Raspberry Pi 5 camera kit, but the AR0234 is very attractive because it is cheap, global shutter, 1920×1200, RAW10, and available in color and monochrome versions. The problem is the usual one: MIPI carrier board, Raspberry Pi compatibility, V4L2/libcamera driver, power rails, initialization registers, etc. The goal would be around 1080p or 2K rather than fake “4K”, because these old Normal 8mm lenses have their own character and don’t need a huge modern sensor. I’m more interested in a compact RAW camera with a real vintage 8mm optical look than in maximum resolution. Has anyone here tried something similar? I would be especially interested in: D-mount digital camera experiments Normal 8mm lens coverage on modern sensors Raspberry Pi / Jetson / RK3588 MIPI RAW capture AR0234 or IMX900 RAW workflows custom small camera bodies monochrome sensor + RGB filter experiments piezo sensor shift / film gate weave simulation I’m currently trying to understand whether it makes more sense to use a ready IMX900 Raspberry Pi kit, or to go deeper with a cheaper AR0234 OEM module and somehow solve the carrier board / driver problem. Any experience, links, warnings, or crazy ideas welcome.

The Ronin 4D can be great, but it can really make you crazy. It is definitely my favorite gimbal. If you go used, you can get a usable 6K setup for around $5,000 which, while still expensive, is a lot more affordable than $10,000! The Flex really makes the system interesting.

Right now I’m working on a GPU-accelerated H.265 mode, with the goal of getting video that is as close to RAW as possible while maintaining stable IT8-based color calibration. In RAW mode I’m currently limited to around 22 fps (Motorola Edge 50 Pro). To push beyond that, I’ll probably need to rewrite a significant part of the capture and processing pipeline in C++/NDK and reduce the amount of work done on the Kotlin side. Over the next few days I’m planning to register as a Google Play developer and try to publish an early version of RawLogCam on the Play Store. I’m also considering releasing it first as a closed or open beta. If anyone here has an Android phone with decent Camera2/RAW support and is interested in testing it, I’d definitely appreciate feedback — especially on dropped frames, sustained recording, external SSD recording, RAW compatibility, and color calibration across different sensors. If you have a better idea than going directly through the Play Store for the first public builds, I’m open to suggestions.

@eatstoomuchjam by "Pro" version, I meant the $10,000 Ronin 4D cinema camera, not the Pocket 4 Pro.

Hi, you are not being rude at all 🙂 happy to have a convo as we all use our gear differently. Unfortunately where I failed was assuming the H265 was normal, at the time of purchase it seemed like a perfect camera for most projects where for higher end stuff you could shoot red code and for more lower-end project (talking heads/ social content) you could shoot H265. The 2 surprises once we started shooting with it was just how massive the red code is compared to other red cameras (we also have other reds with other DOPs on projects) and how unusable the H265 is So camera was sold and we're back to using Lumix's / Sony FX for lower end projects and Pyxis 12/Komodo for higher end projects. This is just my use case in my little world..... I know we all have different wants and needs 🙂

Looking good!

I have very simple needs and if I was forced, I could shoot ML Raw in 1080p on my 5Diii for the foreseeable future. I posted a video here a while ago from some Nordic guy that mixed 5Diii/ML Raw with Osmo Raw drone footage and I was blown away by the Osmo Raw. At the time, the camera by itself was too rich for my blood, but I couldn't deny the image. On the complete opposite scale, I recently used my friend's Pocket 3 and I must say that it reminded me of my camcorder days, where you just collect footage in as interesting ways as possible to tell the most important thing... the story. That said, I would be an instant buyer of a $2000 raw video version of the Osmo Pocket camera... preferably with a larger sensor, but I would be okay with the 1" too if need be. I can only imagine how much fun the pro version is... even with its headaches?