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Eric Matyas replied to Eric Matyas's topic in Cameras
NEED HELP WITH YOUR TRAILER VIDEO? Here's one that I created the music for (and edited as well.) The developer sent me video clips of game-play and I put it together using Davinci Resolve. You can check it out here: https://store.steampowered.com/app/4179990/Agromatic/ If you need help with your trailer, just let me know! https://soundimage.org/custom-work/ That said, this week's new Ogg music releases are: "MEDITERRANEAN BREEZE" You can listen to it here: https://soundimage.org/wp-content/uploads/2026/06/Mediterranean-Breeze.ogg And download it here: https://soundimage.org/world/ "COUNTRY ROMANCE" You can listen to it here: https://soundimage.org/wp-content/uploads/2026/06/Country-Romance.ogg And download it here: https://soundimage.org/country/ As always, they're 100% free to use with attribution. Attribution information is here: https://soundimage.org/attribution-info/ OTHER HELPFUL LINKS: My Game Music Mega Pack https://soundimage.org/ogg-game-music-mega-pack/ My Genre Music Packs https://soundimage.org/ogg-music-packs-2/ Support the site https://soundimage.org/donate/ Enjoy! 🙂 - Today
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eatstoomuchjam reacted to a post in a topic:
LUMIX L10 - announced
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That’ll have been Arsenal fans thinking they were going to win the Champions League. There was a similar book in the early 80s by Douglas Adams and John Lloyd called “The Meaning Of Liff” which used the names of places and assigned them with a definition of a new word. AITH (n.) The single bristle that sticks out sideways on a cheap paintbrush. BANFF Pertaining to, or descriptive of, that kind of facial expression which is impossible to achieve except when having a passport photograph taken. ELY (n.) The first, tiniest inkling you get that something, somewhere, has gone teribly wrong. etc. I have just got a new passport which has a terrible Banff that I will now have to endure for ten years.
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"Old look" has a similar function to "film look". Both separates the content from reality by not being accurate. Modern camera are capable of representing the real world as it is, like they're just mirrors. But the artist wants to make a dream for the audience. You don't perceive a mirror image as a dream.
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Agreed.. You've likely heard of the term "anemoia" which is from The Dictionary of Obscure Sorrows which aims to come up with new words for emotions that currently lack words, and it means "Nostalgia for a time or a place one has never known". It's gaining popularity too, with that blip being April 2024...
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All good points and it's like everything in that when two people make the same choice it's probably a mixture of everything but in different proportions for each person. Nowadays I think the "poor" image quality of these older cameras is just viewed as "a look" that you would make from a position of having creative options rather than being something you didn't want to choose but had no better options. Speaking of pulling a camera out of your pocket with one hand, does the camera button on the new iPhones help? IIRC you can double-click it to open the photo app of your choice (default or otherwise) and also use that button to take a photo or start/stop recording. I have a grippy case for mine and holding it with one hand is a very secure experience, with the only wrinkle being that it's so grippy it can be difficult to get it in and out of a pocket unless you've gotten the angle right and the fabric isn't in tension etc.
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It’s arrived. Immediate observations… Each to their own and all that, but the size is perfect. Over the past near 20 years, I have only had a couple of ‘personal’ cameras starting with the GF1. I still have that one (somewhere) and last time I tried it, it felt somewhat clunky and slow. No big surprise, it is getting on a bit! X100 which is a strong contender for fave camera of all time for its time. Again, it would be terribly slow today, but SOOC, produced the best ever JPEGs of any camera I have ever owned. Not necessarily (and not actually) the sharpest or most detailed, but specially compared with high MP full-frame cameras, but just a certain ‘filmic’ magic about those 12 MP files from that sensor. Sony RX100v. A fiddly little bastard. Great video, very average at best stills. Too small. Sony ZV1. Again, a better video unit IMO, hated the stills experience. So here we are with the L10… I’ve set it up to mimic the set up of my S1Rii’s that sit above my S5ii…which sits above my S9 (that I am unlikely to see again before mid July as I head off on a near 4 week road trip in a couple of days). I still need to import any LUTS and I’ll start with my Phantom one’s for the S5ii which I currently use for the S1Rii’s also. If anyone fancies making a LUT to bake in based off the new L Classic Gold, I’d be interested 😬
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I do think nostalgia, even for a time someone wasn't alive for, is a big factor. Another is authenticity, the title is telling on the comparison video. Which is "more authentic?". I think with so much fake stuff out there, or over polished, commercial media, that there's naturally a desire for something real. I know a young woman, in early 20s, who last year shot in miniDV for the nostalgia and poor quality. That surprised me because I remember when miniDV was considered high quality (compared to what low budget video makers had access to previously). Things move on. There's also trends, as the saying goes, when hemlines are down they can only go up. Now that people can do 8K pristine video easily and cheaply, then low quality and dirty is a refreshing change. About 12 years ago I was searching for, and found, a pocket camera that saved in raw. It was great and I loved how I was able to edit in post nicely, etc. This year it died and so I pulled out the old jpeg-only camera from the drawer and I've been shooting with it. Now, instead of cringing when I see the jpeg artifacts, I accept it as a normal look for a cheap snapshot and kind of a style that's now "approved" by others (at least on YouTube.) The ergonomics are great too. I can have it in my side pocket and while cycling, reach down with one hand, put my hand in the wrist strap, turn it on and take pictures without stopping. You can't do that with a phone. I sometimes wish that the amazing image stabilization and other features that iPhones have was available in a little pocket camera. Anyway, I can dig all sorts of things. It's just another brush to choose.
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Indeed, algorithms do tend to isolate us from the huge diversity out there, that's for sure. One thing I like to keep in mind is that even if something is so rare that it's only one in a million people, that means there are 8 million of them! I have a Korean friend who is incredibly into film-making and film itself. He is currently studying film and TV in the US, and owns his own complete RED Dragon 6K setup (one of the older DSMC2 models). He has been shooting film for many years and still regularly shoots projects on it, mostly 16mm and is a massive film nerd who frequently dives into the detail and can name specific models of film scanners etc off the top of his head. He is a huge fan of K-pop and loves retro camcorders and early digital stuff. I'm in a private Discord server with him and bunch of other film-maker types and there are a lot of them that are into a wide range of looks, including ultra-high-quality digital, film, cinema, TV, music videos, advertising, sports and live action coverage, and aesthetics of all imagination. They don't just talk about cameras, or film, or lenses (but they do talk about all of those), they talk about bags and equipment trolleys and lights and all things grip, they talk about sound and editing and colour grading, they talk about directing and scheduling and pre-production, they talk about YouTube and sponsorships, they talk about clients and client management and business, as well as cars and other non-video stuff. The YouTube bubble seems to only talk about cameras, lenses, and colour grading, and that image quality has to be the highest possible unless you're emulating film. My experience is that there a ton of people who are interested in much more than these things, but they're made to feel unwelcome because there's no place for these things in the camera-industrial complex that camera bro YouTube is a part of. The world is much bigger and stranger than any of us know 😄
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I had ruled out the GX9 for some reason, thinking it didn't have IBIS, and then I randomly heard that it did have IBIS and so I got confused about why I had written it off, so hearing about the crop made me wonder if that was potentially the reason. 200Mbps is a great bitrate, especially for HD! I don't recall hearing about this. Yes - there's even a thread about it that just started! I haven't looked at it myself yet, but if it's a one-stop solution for film emulation then it seems promising. I've heard it's pretty slow still, but it's still early days and perhaps optimisations will change that at some point. For me, and this GX85 Super-16mm film camera project, it was more about the GX85 and me finding a place for it. I have equipment I like, shooting situations / scenarios I prefer to shoot, and images I like, and the goal is to find combinations that work well. This project has resulted in me successfully discovering and developing the combination of: GX85 plus 14mm F2.5 pancake lens at 1x / 2x / 4x digital zoom Shooting street scenes in uncontrolled / available light, hand-held, from waist height Passable S16mm film camera emulation for gritty images with a strong vibe I'm actually really heartened by the GX85 and will be testing how far I can push it in other ways. Emulating a S16 camera is a lot easier than a S35mm camera, for example, so I'll see how I go with that. I'm effectively done with the S16 film camera emulation but not done at all with pushing to get the most from the GX85.
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have you guys seen Spektrafilm? It now has an OFX plugin, and possibly an ios app on the way too, and it's free! https://spektrafilm.114c.de/
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Perhaps it is the algorithms giving me content I am likely to be interested in, but none of my social media feeds give me posts where old camcorders or old digital cameras are seen as desirable from the point of view of achieving a particular look. I have heard about it, but I suspect it could be mainly in particular algorithm-created bubbles. People who are interested in serious photography and video work with good image quality tend to be given that kind of posts and so on. 🙂 There are certainly people who are fascinated by old things. I like steam engines myself, and sometimes photograph steam trains because of the visual and auditory aesthetics, although I recognize that the steam engine did gross harm to the environment, air quality, caused fires, lots of CO2 emissions etc. Despite these I really like the sound and feel of it. 🙂
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PannySVHS reacted to a post in a topic:
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That would make it perfect for my 10mm Cmount, not so perfect in regards of noise in 4K, compared to the GX85. The GX85 hack from @BTM_Pix allowed a forum member to get 200mbps HD running on the GX9. The stock HD is supposed to be very good in regards to resolution looking at the dpreview comparison tool. I am tempted to check this camera out sometime. I still love and use my GX85 btw. The 8bit 4K is indeed amazingly good for what it is and grades better than it should allowed to do in regards of spec sheet numbers. Nice results you are achieving with yours. @kye
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I should have some soon @kye @PannySVHS I say ‘soon’ as in shooting, but as to getting around to being able to even look at it… Currently already in a 6 week log jam (see what I did there?) which gets longer week by week 🤪
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Keen to see footage from it, especially compared to other cameras if possible.. 😄 In the event that Panny don't create an MFT version this might be tempting for me at some later point.
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So the GX85 has a 1.1x (2.2x compared to FF) and the GX9 has a significantly larger crop despite being newer and the replacement model? That's disappointing!
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The below video titled "Retro camcorders are EASY to use in 2026 (full guide)" was posted two years ago and has 241K views. It opens with these shots: and his first line is "retro camcorders are freaking awesome". Maybe you're right that getting worse image quality isn't the primary motivator, but if it wasn't then I don't really know how to explain why anyone would be attracted to these camcorders when new/modern ones have all the same advantages of being a single-use device, have great ergonomics, novelty value, etc, but are also far easier to find, far easier to use (and don't require legacy computer interfaces!), are far more reliable, and have much better image quality. Maybe the draw is that they're old, and therefore that's the novelty, but I've heard people gush over how they love the JPEG look from cameras that have 2MP cameras and the JPGs are hugely compressed and full of artefacts etc. Here's another one comparing Hi8 vs MiniDV on the basis of the image alone.. 24K views! It might also be a nostalgia thing, where the image quality is desirable because it's poor, but in exactly the right way.
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@PPNSThat BM Evf is a great, small and elegant solution, just like ones for Oly Pens or a Pannyboy GX1. I wished for a design and size like this for other cameras as well. I really liked the 12bit Prores 4444 on the original Mavo LF. Very thick image with great texture. Dynamic range felt a bit less than a Lumix S1H, in the highlights and moreso in the shadows, but with a unique and organic image and colormetry.
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Should be the exact crop of the GH5 in UHD Extele mode, which is pixel to pixel and has about a 1.4 crop factor of the Mft sensor. GH5 and GX9 have the same sensor resolution.
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That is fortunate that you get to test the L10 for us.:) Hold it! You bought that thing and can put it through a real tour de force! That's awesome. No need for us to watch any youtube shills. Thanks a lot!:) @MrSMW
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OK, I have a black one inbound and should be landing tomorrow or Thursday… I tried to get the LTD version but has to come from PannyBoy direct and they have zero stock, so black it is. My S9 is still not fixed and I have missed it on the first 3 jobs of the year and with 5 more imminent, can’t wait any longer. On the off chance my fixed S9 does turn up prior to these next 5 jobs I am away for, I’ll use both as a bit of a test but regardless, probably have a place more now for the L10 until an S9II comes along. My experience of not having a mech shutter has not been the greatest and the role either of these units is destined for is more photo, so…
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All music at soundimage.org is now free for commercial use
Eric Matyas replied to Eric Matyas's topic in Cameras
Hey Everyone, Here's a really fun track from my Jazz/Big Band page that I've just released in higher-quality Ogg format: "SHUFFLIN" (Looping) You can listen to it here: https://soundimage.org/wp-content/uploads/2026/06/Shufflin.ogg And freely download it here: https://soundimage.org/jazz-big-band/ SENDING OUT A BIG THANK YOU! This goes out to the folks who downloaded my Ogg Game Music Mega Pack this past week. The pack now has over 1460 tracks and is growing all the time. Thank you so much for supporting my efforts! If anyone is interested in checking it out, here's the link: https://soundimage.org/ogg-game-music-mega-pack/ You can also download smaller genre packs here: https://soundimage.org/ogg-music-packs-2/ Enjoy...and as always, stay safe and keep being creative! 🙂 -
I’d have urged caution in buying the Luna before DJI released the Pro version of the Pocket 4 anyway but now the P4P has been officially released in China then I would definitely hold out for some comparisons. One of the major USPs of the Luna is the excellent removeable remote screen but it seems DJI have an interesting solution with a small external remote for the P4P. Its a bit of a swings and roundabout in that it is more convenient with the Luna but it’s equally true that if you drop the remote then it’s game over until you can locate a new one. Insta threw everyone a curveball (shills included) by releasing the Luna far earlier than expected and it’s worth considering that this was in part motivated by them discovering their major USP was about to be countered with the P4P solution. Oh and the 17 stops of dynamic range of the P4P is interesting too.
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I find it difficult to believe that worse quality as such is the motivating factor, but a less polished result, a less artificially processed and perfected result may be desirable when one wishes to appear authentic and I do believe a lot of people are tired of the ultra-processed images from mobile phones and editing apps. They may also be tired of commercial images for partly similar reasons: DYI images may look more real and home-made, and somehow more true to the person in the photos, even if not captured by extended arm holding the camera but someone who truly knows the person in the picture. In some cases, commercially produced portraits which often reflect the photographer's tastes and some product or image style that the photographer has found successful and applies to all their clients. Doing it yourself for an authentic feel doesn't mean the quality of the photo has to be poor. Of course, it's possible that some people specifically want a "different" look such as 8 mm film etc. but I don't think this is common or at the core of the issue, the excessive processing and manufactured "perfection" is much more likely to be what triggers a change in fashion (or perhaps I am just wishing that). You may be correct that the smartphone generation sometimes just wants to use something other than their smartphone, that's perfectly understandable and would be a healthy development. In my mind "high quality" and "smartphone" are difficult to put in the same sentence with a straight face. High quality for some things, yes, but for a lot of things, not good quality at all.
