satoshi Posted September 25, 2015 Share Posted September 25, 2015 Chinese New Years 2014 - SLR Magic Anamorphot + Canon 5D mkIII RAW - Night Extended FootageAny thoughts on 5D raw workflow, is it really so bad ? The results are breathtaking. In a week I'm buying a new camera but this 3years old mark3 produces jaw dropping images. I was set on GH4 but now.... nahua and Brellivids 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jagnje Posted September 25, 2015 Share Posted September 25, 2015 Well, the workflow is not bad if you ask me...compared to other raw cameras is just one step more. It's the file sizes and what you want to use it for. It's fine if you shoot a cat or some plant, but you will not be shooting a weding, a non acted documentary... for raw it's probably the best budget camera out there, and a very capable 1080p h.264 camera. I prefer it to a gh4 except for the slow motion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ricardo_sousa11 Posted September 25, 2015 Share Posted September 25, 2015 5D3 is still an amazing camera, with or without RAW.For Video i'd recommend the NX1 instead of the GH4 though, much better image, cleaner, and now that Premiere will support h265 native, the workflow will become much simpler. Marco Tecno 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Ebrahim Saadawi Posted September 25, 2015 Share Posted September 25, 2015 5DIII is still the best image out there and has the most video features (short of an articulating LCD).Just see if you can work with a raw workflow. It's ideal for scripted/controlled environmentsif you need to shoot an event, documentary, wedding, etc a camera like a GH4 will record continuously and get great results with tiny files, just easier and faster. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rinad Amir Posted September 25, 2015 Share Posted September 25, 2015 5D3 is still an amazing camera, with or without RAW.For Video i'd recommend the NX1 instead of the GH4 though, much better image, cleaner, and now that Premiere will support h265 native, the workflow will become much simpler.Apologise for noobish question but how is NX1 better in image quality to GH4 ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Ebrahim Saadawi Posted September 25, 2015 Share Posted September 25, 2015 Apologise for noobish question but how is NX1 better in image quality to GH4 ? Mainly Sensor size, noise performance, and to a degree dynamic range. It is a better chip and a better signal vs the GH4 overal when you look at both, but the gh4 has it's many advantages like usability, ergonomics, unlimited recording time, m43s mount (Speedboosters), codec support, all irrelevant to IQ but relevant to the system. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hmcindie Posted September 25, 2015 Share Posted September 25, 2015 I've shot two shortfilms with the 5D RAW (one trailer here). I love the 5d raw. Freaking love it. Password: fray Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ricardo_sousa11 Posted September 25, 2015 Share Posted September 25, 2015 Mainly Sensor size, noise performance, and to a degree dynamic range. It is a better chip and a better signal vs the GH4 overal when you look at both, but the gh4 has it's many advantages like usability, ergonomics, unlimited recording time, m43s mount (Speedboosters), codec support, all irrelevant to IQ but relevant to the system.Basically this. The Nx1 without a doubt the best IQ out there unless you go for an FS7 / 1DC and higher range cameras, it is trully outstanding. I too was set out to buy a GH4+metabones for over a year, but then I discovered the NX1 and read a bit more about it, ended up getting the NX1 and am currently editting my first official job with it, so far Im very very impressed. Its incredibly versatile, you can make it look cinematic or video'ish Marco Tecno 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Members Mattias Burling Posted September 25, 2015 Super Members Share Posted September 25, 2015 For me 5D Raw compared to Blackmagic was just a huge pain with a big loss in image quality and Dynamic Range.I'm never going to use it again. But that's just me. If one isn't used to BMD and Bolex Raw it might be worth it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
satoshi Posted September 25, 2015 Author Share Posted September 25, 2015 So it seems that the 5d is still the way to go in this price range, especially if I want to shoot fotos. Btw, do you guys know if it's possible to record audio with raw video ? From external line in ? Also external monitors via HDMI are working fine ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mercer Posted September 25, 2015 Share Posted September 25, 2015 I've shot two shortfilms with the 5D RAW (one trailer here). I love the 5d raw. Freaking love it. Password: fray Looks great! Very cool!!! Did you shoot this in an actual bar, or was it green screened? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolf33d Posted September 25, 2015 Share Posted September 25, 2015 This is one of the worst 5D raw video I have seen. So don't watch the great ones or u will be sold Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Volker Schmidt Posted September 25, 2015 Share Posted September 25, 2015 Hey Satoshi. yes, it´s possible to record audio - with so-called MLV file recording...External monitors via HDMI should working fine (I only have the 5dmk2 - there it works).I think, filming in ML RAW is only recommended when you shoot little and selected. In that case it is great fun with great results - for an affordable price!Here some 5d raw groups on vimeo:https://vimeo.com/groups/192251https://vimeo.com/groups/192344https://vimeo.com/groups/raw Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barefoot Posted September 25, 2015 Share Posted September 25, 2015 These are some of the better videos I've seen shot in Magic Lantern raw. Seems quite worth it, if you’re willing to work with the file sizes. Then again, there are great raw compressors available out there now (sorry, the software name escapes me), so even that shouldn't be as big of a problem as before. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QuickHitRecord Posted September 25, 2015 Share Posted September 25, 2015 ML Raw Compression Ratios (5D Mark III; 1080P)10-second clipOriginal MLV: 872MBRawMagic Compressed CDNG: 466MB (47% reduction)Davinci Resolve ProRes4444XQ: 479.2MB (45% reduction)Davinci Resolve ProRes4444: 316.4MB (64% reduction)Davinci Resolve ProResHQ: 222.9MB (74% reduction)Davinci Resolve ProRes422: 92.2MB (91% reduction) kaylee 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
satoshi Posted September 25, 2015 Author Share Posted September 25, 2015 ML Raw Compression Ratios (5D Mark III; 1080P)10-second clipOriginal MLV: 872MBRawMagic Compressed CDNG: 466MB (47% reduction)Davinci Resolve ProRes4444XQ: 479.2MB (45% reduction)Davinci Resolve ProRes4444: 316.4MB (64% reduction)Davinci Resolve ProResHQ: 222.9MB (74% reduction)Davinci Resolve ProRes422: 92.2MB (91% reduction)Great info! Thank you! Oh, guys, really so torn between 5d mk3, gh4 and a7s. I want to shoot a youtube series mainly with slr magic anamorphic lens 1,3. 5d mk3 raw is so juicy and I want to make fotos too. A7s has wonderful low light and full frame sensor - but the ergonomics are horrendous, and only 8bit even with shogun. GH4 is half the price of mark 3 and does everythink well, but it loos like video I stayed up untill 4am doing reaserch and still I dont know what to do.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hmcindie Posted September 25, 2015 Share Posted September 25, 2015 Looks great! Very cool!!! Did you shoot this in an actual bar, or was it green screened?Thanks, yes, in an actual bar! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sekhar Posted September 25, 2015 Share Posted September 25, 2015 These videos are all good, but why on earth would you go for an old HD camera like 5D3 and a cumbersome raw workflow today for video when you have other better, less expensive, and more future proof options, like the NX1 already mentioned? 5D3 is still awesome as a still photography tool, especially for sports and PJ, but as a video camera it is no longer current. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kaylee Posted September 25, 2015 Share Posted September 25, 2015 for me color trumps everything, and the DEEP rich color from 5d3 raw is unparalleled; ive never seen video from ANY camera that matches it in that regard – naturalistic yet amazingly beautifulThanks, yes, in an actual bar!thats awesome hmcindle that clip looks official. how did you find the reliability of ml on set? any issues to be aware of? assuming its not april fools day that is lol Volker Schmidt, Zak Forsman and jpfilmz 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andrgl Posted September 25, 2015 Share Posted September 25, 2015 cumbersome raw workflow today for video when you have other better, less expensive, and more future proof options, like the NX1How is H.265 easier to work with than RAW? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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