Django Posted April 2, 2023 Share Posted April 2, 2023 60p output will always have the dreaded soap opera camcorder look. Just convert the file in a 24p timeline if you want it to look "cinematic". Even the ZV-E1 knows this and switches to 23.98p when you enter cinematic mode. Kisaha and filmmakereu 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markr041 Posted April 2, 2023 Share Posted April 2, 2023 2 hours ago, Django said: 60p output will always have the dreaded soap opera camcorder look. Just convert the file in a 24p timeline if you want it to look "cinematic". Even the ZV-E1 knows this and switches to 23.98p when you enter cinematic mode. I am sorry, I will not cripple motion for people like you who judge a look solely by archaic motion. And the fact that the silly Sony camera made for vloggers on YouTube does this might actually be cause for you to rethink your judgement. It is ludicrous to say the video has a soap opera camcorder look. Did you learn this in film school? - "the dreaded soap opera look". Give me a break. 92F and Kubrickian 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Django Posted April 2, 2023 Share Posted April 2, 2023 archaic motion? 24p is still the current cine standard. double frame rate output is literally what is called the soap opera effect: Creating frames in-between the 24 original frames makes the movie (24FPS) look like a soap opera (30/60FPS), and this is something that many viewers don't like. Why does 60fps look like a soap opera? It's due to motion. Soap Operas use cheaper cameras that shoot in 60 FPS rather than film that is 24 FPS. Basically, you've become accustomed to the dreamlike motion of 24 FPS being interpolated for 60 Hz TVs and now attribute higher frame-rates like 48 FPS to that of a lower quality production. haven't we been through this before? not sure why you're getting so offended, you're the one throwing the word "cinematic" around. Sure takes more than a LUT to achieve the look. correct fps is a good place to start but hey keep ignoring this advice and do as you please. just don't get mad if people call out the videoish look of such motion, I'm far from being alone on this. in fact you are probably the only person I know around here or even on YT who consistently outputs 60p on a cine cam. SRV1981, ntblowz, filmmakereu and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ntblowz Posted April 2, 2023 Share Posted April 2, 2023 I agree with Django that feels like home video vibe, I really dont like the 50p/60p mode on youtube except for sports which i dont mind. Good thing in PAL land is 25P still feel cinematicish vs 30p on NTSC filmmakereu and Django 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emanuel Posted April 2, 2023 Share Posted April 2, 2023 Right, 60p gives good cinematic outcome, when slowmo comes to the equation... : D But wait, is it supposed YT to be or look cine-like? As designed for small screen form factor such as mobile phones and alike?! Django and filmmakereu 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kubrickian Posted April 3, 2023 Share Posted April 3, 2023 This guy is really Peter Jackson just trolling everyone. Emanuel, aaa123jc, 92F and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
92F Posted April 4, 2023 Share Posted April 4, 2023 Le 04/01/2023 à 16:04, markr041 a dit : Hello Mark To compare the rendered images... what equipment (body and lens) did you use in this great video.. (FHD ? 4K ? Log ?...) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ZdMxFiUf9Q This music is so sweet to my ears Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markr041 Posted April 6, 2023 Share Posted April 6, 2023 On 4/4/2023 at 10:07 AM, 92F said: Hello Mark To compare the rendered images... what equipment (body and lens) did you use in this great video.. (FHD ? 4K ? Log ?...) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ZdMxFiUf9Q This music is so sweet to my ears Sony fx3 with Sony E 18-135 lens in 4K 60p. Shot in Slog3 All-I. 92F and SRV1981 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Django Posted April 6, 2023 Share Posted April 6, 2023 what about sound? is it captured using the FX30 XLR handle and if so what mic? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markr041 Posted April 8, 2023 Share Posted April 8, 2023 fx30 for event coverage: Or is this a narrative film? IronFilm, 92F and SRV1981 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kubrickian Posted April 8, 2023 Share Posted April 8, 2023 The extra FPS really helps define the billowing capes of the child-touchers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markr041 Posted April 8, 2023 Share Posted April 8, 2023 fx30 for action: 4K 120p and 60p. SRV1981 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markr041 Posted April 8, 2023 Share Posted April 8, 2023 fx30 for travel: SRV1981 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markr041 Posted April 9, 2023 Share Posted April 9, 2023 10bit Colors! SRV1981 and 92F 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Django Posted April 12, 2023 Share Posted April 12, 2023 FX3 & FX30 just got a major 3.0/2.0 update today that adds Anamorphic De-Squeeze, True 24p, 4K DCI Recording.. and Breathing Compensation: Excellent news for users wanting more cine features and this really starts to tie these cameras to the rest of the FX line. Pretty sure this is the first time an alpha camera gets DCI 4K. About time! aaa123jc and filmmakereu 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IronFilm Posted April 12, 2023 Share Posted April 12, 2023 5 hours ago, Django said: Excellent news for users wanting more cine features and this really starts to tie these cameras to the rest of the FX line. Makes it a BIG BOY CAMERA now with 4K DCI + 24fps + anamorphic desqueeze 4K DCI & 24fps makes a lot of sense, as VENICE/FX9 owners would demand this as important in their D Cam crashcams. Of which the FX3/FX30 is otherwise perfectly suited towards being. 5 hours ago, Django said: Pretty sure this is the first time an alpha camera gets DCI 4K. About time! It is not an Alpha camera. markr041 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Django Posted April 13, 2023 Share Posted April 13, 2023 19 hours ago, IronFilm said: It is not an Alpha camera. literally labelled so despite what Sony marketing may have you suggest.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Members BTM_Pix Posted April 13, 2023 Super Members Share Posted April 13, 2023 To be fair, the FX6 and FX9 do too. As per the markings on the FX9 they are using that label to indicate the camera having the Alpha mount. Its a similar story with the non-PL mount version of the Venice too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IronFilm Posted April 13, 2023 Share Posted April 13, 2023 VENICE is an "alpha camera"!! haha Yeah nah, we know what is meant by "alpha camera". It means their cameras which start with "a" at the front: a7, a7r, a7s, a6600, a5100, etc (roughly speaking, gets a bit more fuzzy with some of their recent releases named such as "ZV-E1") Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Django Posted April 13, 2023 Share Posted April 13, 2023 Yeah well I still consider FX3/FX30 alpha cameras, I'm pretty sure they are managed by the stills division not the cine line. In any case since they are branded FX and marketed towards that, I do think it is good Sony are finally giving those cameras actual cine features like DCI 4K etc. Why they are still withholding shutter angle is a bit of a mystery though.. Its like we can't give away too much too soon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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