SRV1981 Posted February 11, 2023 Share Posted February 11, 2023 Was considering the S5 II but the size and accessories seems excessive for travel (i.e. the quality difference between this and a compact system may not be as notable for basic travel/family documenting). Video is primary importance and photo is secondary - don't need Log! 1. iPhone 14 Pro 2. ZV E10 3. XT4 4. ZV-1 5. RX 100 VII Other? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kisaha Posted February 12, 2023 Share Posted February 12, 2023 If I could have a dedicated camera with me, that would be the best. Whatever entry level APS-C or mFT will do fine with a clever selection of lenses (maybe a small zoom and just a prime). Or a nice high end compact like the ZV-1 and a couple of accessories. SRV1981 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newfoundmass Posted February 12, 2023 Share Posted February 12, 2023 GX85 maybe? SRV1981 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrSMW Posted February 12, 2023 Share Posted February 12, 2023 For me, an easy choice. Phone. Not necessarily an iPhone (though I do have the 13), but any photo/video-orientated one. Single bit of kit and most of my end result ends up on or being posted from my phone so May as well start there! SRV1981 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kisaha Posted February 12, 2023 Share Posted February 12, 2023 I used to carry the NX500 with a couple of tiny pancakes primes (depending the trip) and the tiny 16-50 Power zoom..(in this bag https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/999866-REG/samsung_ed_cc3n90n_large_bag_for_all.html/accessories) Latest trips I am bringing the R7 with an 18-135 and a couple of primes (depending again the situation and my preference at that moment in time)..(in this bag https://www.ebay.com/itm/304435980148) The difference is the bag! SRV1981 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SRV1981 Posted February 12, 2023 Author Share Posted February 12, 2023 5 hours ago, MrSMW said: For me, an easy choice. Phone. Not necessarily an iPhone (though I do have the 13), but any photo/video-orientated one. Single bit of kit and most of my end result ends up on or being posted from my phone so May as well start there! This is where my independent research is leaning. If I get an iPhone 14 Pro and add an external Tele Lens (BeastGrip, SandMarc, etc.) the images i'm seeing on my 85" projector from YouTube is honestly good enough for me. I believe you'd have to A/B it to see and feel the difference from a dedicated video camera. What i've noticed on my last roadtrip is that having to take out a fairly large body (compared to a phone or P&S) then attach a lens, have a dedicated memory card, then get it to a computer etc. removed my creativity and desire to create. A pocketable P&S or iPhone 14 Pro is where i'm leaning. Am I that naive to think this looks really good considering: this too looks stunning: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrSMW Posted February 12, 2023 Share Posted February 12, 2023 4 hours ago, SRV1981 said: What i've noticed on my last roadtrip is that having to take out a fairly large body (compared to a phone or P&S) then attach a lens, have a dedicated memory card, then get it to a computer etc. removed my creativity and desire to create. For me, this kind of thing has been more about ease of use rather than ultimate quality of output. Like most, I don’t go anywhere without my phone. I’m not going to shoot a wedding on it, never mind a serious film, but the simple fact is as much as I like the idea of a compact EDC, my phone is my EDC. SRV1981 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kisaha Posted February 12, 2023 Share Posted February 12, 2023 I tend to shoot a lot less when I have only my phone. When I have a dedicated camera I will take more, and 99%, better photos and videos. Is the ZV-1 really equal to a phone? SRV1981 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SRV1981 Posted February 13, 2023 Author Share Posted February 13, 2023 4 hours ago, Kisaha said: I tend to shoot a lot less when I have only my phone. When I have a dedicated camera I will take more, and 99%, better photos and videos. Is the ZV-1 really equal to a phone? my investigations say no Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrSMW Posted February 13, 2023 Share Posted February 13, 2023 The ZV1 was intended as my personal camera…but I think I took it on a trip just the once…and preferred the images coming out of my phone which at the time was an iPhone 8. OK, with a bit more effort, I could have got more out of the ZV1, but it was after that trip I just decided nah. But that is just my use case, as they say, YMMV. If I was going somewhere very special, I’d just take my most capable and compact camera of the time, which for the last couple of years, would have been S5 and now S5ii with my Sigma 28-70 zoom. But for 99% of the time, for me, phone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Django Posted February 13, 2023 Share Posted February 13, 2023 R8 seems ideally suited for this. Hard to get a more compact camera with FF 4K60p 10-bit capability at entry level price: Stick the cheap 16mm / 24mm / 35mm STM and you're good to go.. love my iPhone 13 but good luck getting that kinda IQ on it! Kisaha and SRV1981 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
So Ros Posted February 13, 2023 Share Posted February 13, 2023 Took a mirrorless camera for a two month trip and used my phone 98% of the time. Not worth it imo, lugging a big camera with a lens is a drag and you worry about theft also. If I was getting paid for a job then I would bring it but vacations shouldn’t be about the best IQ, it should just be about capturing memories. #1 phone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Members BTM_Pix Posted February 13, 2023 Super Members Share Posted February 13, 2023 DJI Osmo Pocket/Pocket 2 with the anamorphic adapter is a decent option for holidays. Tiny, great stabilisation, looks half decent and has a lot of creative/practical options built in like panoramas and tracking etc. Also easy to share stuff from it through the phone app for social media if thats your thing. SRV1981 and PannySVHS 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PannySVHS Posted February 13, 2023 Share Posted February 13, 2023 Though I just hit the like Button for BTM Pix, I suggest GX85. No contest! 🙂 @SRV1981 So what´s your favorite so far? SRV1981 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PPNS Posted February 13, 2023 Share Posted February 13, 2023 i've seen so many of your posts where you're unable to decide on which camera to choose. i dont think suggestions are of much use to you tbh. Just show an example of a video you've made, and show 1 example of a video that you would like to achieve, maybe it'll be easier to help you that way. SRV1981 and PannySVHS 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markr041 Posted February 13, 2023 Share Posted February 13, 2023 Seriously, people favoring phones for video? You have to be kidding. I will give you one reason phones do not hack it for video: motion. The phones have no aperture, so all exposure is controlled by shutter speed (and ISO in low light). In bright light you are shooting 24 fps at 1/500th of a second, with horrible motion. Most phones, including iPhones also have variable frame rates, which also contribute to poor depictions of motion. The small phone sensors, leaving aside the limited dynamic range, also do not enable shallow DOF shots. No, those are not necessary, but to produce a video that is interesting it is good to have a variety of shots, not all postcards. You cannot zoom either. For some reason, people were comparing the VZ-1 to a phone, and amazingly saying a phone was an equal or better. Really? Of course, not one of these pro phone posters, posted a cellphone video of their own so we could inspect the results they get. I have shot cellphone videos (even in 8K and in HDR), I have shot with some of the contenders here - the ZV-1, the ZV-10 - dedicated, compact video-centric cameras (and lots of cinema cameras too). Here is an example ZV-1 4K video: Remember, the discussion here is about vacation shooting - places and people, not narrative films (and not cat videos either). So I chose this one as it is that type of video. Note: the in-camera audio on the ZV-1 is far superior to that of any cellphone. I have demos of catalyst browse gyro stabilization from the ZV-1 that beat any phones with a gimbal. I have night videos, lots of ZV-1 examples. And cell phone ones too, if you can stand the over sharpening and bizarre motion. I have ZV-E10 videos too, for those a little more ambitious. The ZV-1 is tiny, fits in most pockets. And I find the ergonomics of shooting with it far superior to those of any cellphone, except for shooting vertical videos. If that is your favorite mode, then a cell phone wins hands down. Kisaha, ac6000cw and SRV1981 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markr041 Posted February 13, 2023 Share Posted February 13, 2023 Sony RX100 VII (also mentioned): Lots of shots in this video not possible from a cell phone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SRV1981 Posted February 17, 2023 Author Share Posted February 17, 2023 Great info! Sometimes I post for just discussion. I like the banter and interaction. I don’t necessarily need to buy these devices. I was recently looking at the A7C and curious how that would be compared to an xt4 for compact, ease of use and performance . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Matthews Posted February 17, 2023 Share Posted February 17, 2023 Just received a Panasonic G100 for a ridiculously low price and practically new. Obviously, I haven't used it that much, but from preliminary finding- don't believe the initial reviews of this camera. It's small and packed with a ton of features that my GH6 doesn't have. I'd say it's a better 1080p camera than a 4k camera, even though it does both. Photography-wise, it's as good as most APS-C cameras and you'll have the bonus of a massive lens selection which, IMO, is the main reason to choose any camera. Hope that helps. SRV1981 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marcio Kabke Pinheiro Posted February 17, 2023 Share Posted February 17, 2023 I would add the Fujifilm X-S10 to the list. Small, have IBIS, good colors, paired with the 18-55 kit is a good video combo. SRV1981 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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