Anaconda_ Posted February 23, 2022 Share Posted February 23, 2022 Sigma recently released a statement about a three-layer image sensor that they want to get into a camera and onto the market as soon as possible. I hope they can get it ready soon. They first mentioned in in 2019 with loose plans to release in 2020, but they obviously had some hangups. Glad to see they've not given up on the idea though. https://www.sigma-imaging-uk.com/update-development-of-sigmas-three-layer-image-sensor/ https://www.sigma-global.com/en/news/2020/02/08/10874/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
webrunner5 Posted February 23, 2022 Share Posted February 23, 2022 Well Sigma is already familiar with multi-layer sensors so if anyone can do it, they can. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leslie Posted March 8, 2022 Share Posted March 8, 2022 I admit to being tempted by one of these odd sensored beasts. From memory the Quattro and h use sigma lenses right ? I mean it’s hard to adapt lenses to them ? Since I already have a bunch of lenses to use any body I buy must be able to utilise said lenses. Not the least bit interested buying into another lens system but that’s just me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Members BTM_Pix Posted March 8, 2022 Super Members Share Posted March 8, 2022 7 hours ago, leslie said: From memory the Quattro and h use sigma lenses right ? I mean it’s hard to adapt lenses to them ? With the SA mount, you are pretty much limited to M42 adapters. Leitax do a mount product for Leica R where you physically change the mount so you would need one per lens. The "limitation" of only having an M42 option is all relative, of course, as there are plenty of excellent affordable lenses out there. Sigma dropped the SA mount for new cameras to concentrate on the L mount so any new Foveon will be in that mount, but you can still buy the lenses which include ART favourites like the 18-35mm, 50-150mm etc leslie 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgharding Posted March 8, 2022 Share Posted March 8, 2022 I wonder if it will be TRUE Foveon, as in three full-colour layers, or not? IIRC the later DP Quattro cameras were not quite true stacked equal RGB layers like the earlier ones, and used some trickery to get over the sensitivity downsides, though I'm googling and drawing a blank. I had the earlier DP3 Merrill for a while, and colour and resolution wise it was phenomenal, but was so insensitive it was quite a problem getting clean pictures. You really needed to be using it at ISO100 TBH Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Members BTM_Pix Posted March 8, 2022 Super Members Share Posted March 8, 2022 1 hour ago, jgharding said: I wonder if it will be TRUE Foveon, as in three full-colour layers, or not? I'm guessing that from the protracted development cycle then it might well be going back to that as well as going full frame. You'd imagine that they could have put the SD Quattro into an Fp body relatively quickly and I'm still surprised that they haven't as an interim version. Switching to L mount would open up their own APS-C 16/30/56mm f1.4 lens range which would be an absolutely great match with the existing sensor. Being in the Fp body would also mean it not being built like a brick shithouse. I think they're committed to full frame though and I'm hoping that the delay is also being caused by them managing to squeeze video out of it. I'd take APS-C and video over Full Frame and not. kye, webrunner5 and jgharding 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrSMW Posted March 8, 2022 Share Posted March 8, 2022 I love the FP camera. As a concept. I couldn't use it however because it's waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay too compromised. But get the next one at least to a certain level of usability and I'm in. As long as they keep it L Mount. A funky new sensor could be just the ticket. I was always intrigued by their Quattro range, but based on the fact that you could really only use them in daylight killed it for me. I did try an FP-L kindly loaned to me by Sigma France and whilst I could forgive the lack of a tilt screen and IBIS, the banding under certain light for stills killed it stone dead for me. Pity because the quality from the files was stunning. An FP for video would have been great...if it had 4k 50/60p, a tilt screen (can be had after-market) and IBIS (monopod if I had to). I could have gone for that despite the latter 2 compromises, but the former meant I couldn't go that route. Paired with an FP-L for stills. Again, I could overlook the tilt screen and the IBIS, but the banding...aaaaargh. Just a fatal flaw with each, for my needs. Fingers crossed for the next one. If there's a next one...and maybe the Foveon sensor could be the icing on the cake... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
webrunner5 Posted March 8, 2022 Share Posted March 8, 2022 Sounds like you need a Sony A7 IV LOL. PannySVHS 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PannySVHS Posted March 8, 2022 Share Posted March 8, 2022 MrSMW owns a S5 and S1H, no need for a a7iv. 🙂 @webrunner5 I held a Sigma FP in the hand for a short time and it did not resonate. Plus, not having a mechanical shutter is not appealing neither to me. I think the rangefinder style FF camera with 10bit video and IBIS would be great for the L-mount lineup and for me. webrunner5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
webrunner5 Posted March 8, 2022 Share Posted March 8, 2022 Everyone pisses about crappy AF on the Panasonic cameras. Heck don't buy one or give the one you got to charity. 😃 Then buy a Sony or a Canon. 😮 PannySVHS and mercer 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrSMW Posted March 9, 2022 Share Posted March 9, 2022 8 hours ago, PannySVHS said: MrSMW owns a S5 and S1H, no need for a a7iv. 🙂 @webrunner5 I held a Sigma FP in the hand for a short time and it did not resonate. Plus, not having a mechanical shutter is not appealing neither to me. I think the rangefinder style FF camera with 10bit video and IBIS would be great for the L-mount lineup and for me. Plus an S1R 😉 MrSMW has considered the Sony A7iv (hybrid use) and the Canon pairing of R5 (stills) and R6 video and I cannot deny there is some appeal… Just not enough. If AF was my primary requirement, then sure, I would not just switch to either of them, I would already have been with one of them. But nah, neither tick enough boxes for me and the few compromises that I have with L Mount ie, the size and weight of the S1R and S1H and the less than stellar tracking AF are the choice I made. And as always, it’s ONLY forward tracking AF that is not completely reliable. The rest of the time for video…95% of my work, it’s more than good enough and for stills, isn’t even a factor. Slower than PDAF, but not by much in the real world and actually more accurate. But back on the Sigma FP, straight out of the box, it’s ergonomically a bit crap, but add the smallest native grip or the Smallrig wooden one (which looks quite ye olde schoole cool), it’s transformed. Based on the Z9 performance, as a 51% photographer, I’m actually OK now with e shutter only, just not with Sigmas at this time as it’s not quite there yet. As above, that is the ONLY real dealbreaker for me for stills use and the lack of internal 4K 60p for video, the ONLY real dealbreaker in that regard. A rangefinderesque L Mount camera would be fanfuckingtastic IMO as 2 of my favourite cameras of all time have been the X100 and X Pro2, with which I have done a ton of work. Hopefully, one of the two, Panny or Sigma will bring one out but my money would be on Sigma. I have always had a thing about slightly left-field cameras when the herd are using something else. Sony? It would be too easy. And utterly boring 😉 PannySVHS 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leslie Posted March 9, 2022 Share Posted March 9, 2022 On 3/8/2022 at 8:23 PM, BTM_Pix said: With the SA mount, you are pretty much limited to M42 adapters. Leitax do a mount product for Leica R where you physically change the mount so you would need one per lens. The "limitation" of only having an M42 option is all relative, of course, as there are plenty of excellent affordable lenses out there. Sigma dropped the SA mount for new cameras to concentrate on the L mount so any new Foveon will be in that mount, but you can still buy the lenses which include ART favourites like the 18-35mm, 50-150mm etc thats rather interesting i didn't know about the option for m42 glass. i'll have to look into it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kye Posted March 9, 2022 Share Posted March 9, 2022 6 hours ago, MrSMW said: MrSMW has considered the Sony A7iv (hybrid use) and the Canon pairing of R5 (stills) and R6 video and I cannot deny there is some appeal… MrSMW 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrSMW Posted March 9, 2022 Share Posted March 9, 2022 Funnily enough and slightly connected Kye is why 'MrSMW' in the first place? It came from some extreme sarcasm from me years back on another forum where someone who had a bee in their bonnet with me over something (I never found out what, nor much cared), used to always refer to me somewhat sarcastically as 'Mister Simon Mark Whitten' which they suffixed the Mister to after lifting my name off my website. MrSMW always then used to respond to them in the third person. Just without the hat. Or purple jacket. The bow tie I have. kye and webrunner5 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
webrunner5 Posted March 9, 2022 Share Posted March 9, 2022 Well I will admit you certainly have plenty of damn nice pictures on your Instagram account! kye 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrSMW Posted March 9, 2022 Share Posted March 9, 2022 1 hour ago, webrunner5 said: Well I will admit you certainly have plenty of damn nice pictures on your Instagram account! I noticed you had followed! More pics than followers, that’s for sure, but then I cannot be bothered to play the games or practice the BS that is necessary in order to create a tribe. Funnily enough however, I get more work from IG than many of my colleagues with 10x or more tribe members so sometimes less is more… Mostly just been rehashing stuff I have shown at least once before due to the lack of work in what will be nearly 2.5 years when I get going again next month, so looking forward to showcasing some actual new material! There is actually a Sigma FP-L image amongst the 4000+ 😜 webrunner5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M_Williams Posted March 9, 2022 Share Posted March 9, 2022 I'm hoping they return to the 1:1:1 RGB layers (instead of Quattro's 4 (blue):1 (red): 1 (green)). Or something more interesting, perhaps. Also hoping they improve the DNG output. That was a huge step forward for many, myself included, because I absolutely loathe SPP, but the DNG files were still not as good as running the regular raw files through SPP first. I'm almost certain they'll finally drop the SA mount and go to L mount with it. I'm not even sure if the SA mount is designed to work with a FF sensor. I think it's similar to the EF mount so it would probably work fine, but they'd be stupid to keep it at this point. There's already an SA to L Sigma adapter for legacy users. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leslie Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 11 hours ago, MrSMW said: Funnily enough and slightly connected Kye is why 'MrSMW' in the first place? It came from some extreme sarcasm from me years back on another forum where someone who had a bee in their bonnet with me over something (I never found out what, nor much cared), used to always refer to me somewhat sarcastically as 'Mister Simon Mark Whitten' which they suffixed the Mister to after lifting my name off my website. MrSMW always then used to respond to them in the third person. Just without the hat. Or purple jacket. The bow tie I have. Can't help with the hat or jacket. If you branch out with into wedding car rental, also doubles down as crowd control. I know a guy... 😉 MrSMW, PannySVHS and webrunner5 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Members BTM_Pix Posted March 10, 2022 Super Members Share Posted March 10, 2022 9 hours ago, M_Williams said: I'm almost certain they'll finally drop the SA mount and go to L mount with it. Barring a complete U turn from Sigma, it will definitely be L mount as they announced they will not be developing any new SA mount cameras when they joined the L mount alliance. https://www.sigmaphoto.com/article/to-our-customers-using-sigma-sa-mount-cameras Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M_Williams Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 2 hours ago, BTM_Pix said: Barring a complete U turn from Sigma, it will definitely be L mount as they announced they will not be developing any new SA mount cameras when they joined the L mount alliance. https://www.sigmaphoto.com/article/to-our-customers-using-sigma-sa-mount-cameras Sweet! I missed that announcement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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