SteveV4D Posted February 17, 2021 Share Posted February 17, 2021 Oh this is what I want. Pocket 6K Pro takes all that was good with the Pocket cameras and added ND and tilt screen thats better to view in sunlight. Okay, I need to learn more, but if this holds up, this is the camera I need. Thpriest 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Video Hummus Posted February 17, 2021 Share Posted February 17, 2021 Ugly duckling but useful features. Somehow they made the Pocket camera even bigger and bulkier. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newfoundmass Posted February 17, 2021 Share Posted February 17, 2021 It really is remarkable how opposite their body designs are from their OS. One is ugly as sin, the other is truly elegant. Unless you need auto focus it's hard to justify getting the C70 over this. There's A LOT of value in this. $2,500 for all of that is a tremendous value. Juank, IronFilm, Mark Romero 2 and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
majoraxis Posted February 17, 2021 Share Posted February 17, 2021 Tilt adjustable 1500 nit LCD... that's a nice improvement. I wonder what resolution the EVF is and if it is OLED? with the brighter tilt screen it's nice that it is optional and not built in to the product and price. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tupp Posted February 17, 2021 Share Posted February 17, 2021 Yet another Super35 camera from Blackmagic with an EF mount. Wonderful! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
currensheldon Posted February 17, 2021 Share Posted February 17, 2021 Wow. This is really feature-packed for the price. Really nice. Don't love the form factor that much, but if battery life is closer to 90-minutes (rather than 27), and the screen is actually brighter than a Ninja V, with the addition of NDs, another XLR, tilting screen... shew - GREAT feature set for thee price. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
majoraxis Posted February 17, 2021 Share Posted February 17, 2021 Specs on the Blackmagic Pocket Cinema Camera Pro EVF Display Resolution 1280 x 960 Display Type Micro OLED Frame Rates Up to 60 fps Color Precision 24 bit RGB, 16.7 million colors Focus 4 element diopter Diopter Range -4 to +4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emanuel Posted February 17, 2021 Share Posted February 17, 2021 1 hour ago, MurtlandPhoto said: Internal NDs, tilt screen, and dual mini XLR make it worth the extra $500 over the 6K. This is probably the perfect camera for them to release right now. Agreed. Even though, this is the premium to pay for the flaws they didn't include in the precedent version. But, oh boy, this makes no sense or too little to none: Every PRO knows this is totally BS marketing (hey didn't they present it now as "the" PRO camera?! LOL : ) DOF doesn't depend exclusively on sensor size! Without mention MFT lenses are much more affordable, easy and versatile to find... yes, for fast lenses where we are able to arrive exactly to the same destination : X Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emanuel Posted February 17, 2021 Share Posted February 17, 2021 *for the flaws on the features they didn't include... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crevice Posted February 17, 2021 Share Posted February 17, 2021 1 hour ago, newfoundmass said: It really is remarkable how opposite their body designs are from their OS. One is ugly as sin, the other is truly elegant. Unless you need auto focus it's hard to justify getting the C70 over this. There's A LOT of value in this. $2,500 for all of that is a tremendous value. Do we not care anymore about the actual inside of cameras anymore? Last I checked the C70 has a 16 stop DGO sensor found in a $10k cinema camera. It also has 10 stop of ND vs 6 stop. 3 hour battery life with no need for a battery grip. Far superior mount in the RF. It also has a button for every single thing you could want. I would pay more just for the DGO sensor alone. Pocket 6k pro is an amazing deal. But, minus BRAW, C70 is better in almost every single way. Video Hummus 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MurtlandPhoto Posted February 17, 2021 Share Posted February 17, 2021 2 minutes ago, crevice said: Do we not care anymore about the actual inside of cameras anymore? But, minus BRAW, C70 is better in almost every single way. Taking away a major internal feature from the P6K to make your argument doesn't really work, though. For my money, two P6K Pros are worth more than one C70. You may feel differently. Everyone has a different balance they need to reach. newfoundmass and 92F 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newfoundmass Posted February 17, 2021 Share Posted February 17, 2021 11 minutes ago, crevice said: Do we not care anymore about the actual inside of cameras anymore? Last I checked the C70 has a 16 stop DGO sensor found in a $10k cinema camera. It also has 10 stop of ND vs 6 stop. 3 hour battery life with no need for a battery grip. Far superior mount in the RF. It also has a button for every single thing you could want. I would pay more just for the DGO sensor alone. Pocket 6k pro is an amazing deal. But, minus BRAW, C70 is better in almost every single way. It costs over 2x as much and lacks tons of cine features that the Pocket 6K Pro has. Writing off one of the biggest ones, and one that is most beneficial to actual productions (RAW) really doesn't help your case. But if the sensor is what's most important to you then by all means go that route. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crevice Posted February 17, 2021 Share Posted February 17, 2021 Just now, MurtlandPhoto said: Taking away a major internal feature from the P6K to make your argument doesn't really work, though. For my money, two P6K Pros are worth more than one C70. You may feel differently. Everyone has a different balance they need to reach. For sure. I understand BRAW is a killer and in some cases decision making feature. But DR is such an important feature for the "look" of the camera and I think that is something a lot of people don't discuss enough with the c70. Pocket 6k is great, but it is still using a Sony based sensor that has less DR. Regardless, you are right and for many people a pocket 6k makes more sense for the money. For me, I am a solo shooter on a gimbal who has invested in RF glass shared with my R5. So auto focus and RF are very important for me. But, I still think if you are ok paying more - the sensor, auto focus, and battery life without a need for a grip, could make it worth it. Also, though there is no raw, the CLOG 2 out of the C70 is mind blowing. MurtlandPhoto 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crevice Posted February 17, 2021 Share Posted February 17, 2021 1 minute ago, newfoundmass said: It costs over 2x as much and lacks tons of cine features that the Pocket 6K Pro has. Writing off one of the biggest ones, and one that is most beneficial to actual productions (RAW) really doesn't help your case. But if the sensor is what's most important to you then by all means go that route. It lacks a ton of cine features? It lacks BRAW. There is 1 feature. What else does it lack? It has dual xlr with phantom power, 10 stop ND, better internal battery, dual SD card recording, 4:2:2 10 bit, 4k 120, tracking auto focus, and dual gain 16 stop sensor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emanuel Posted February 17, 2021 Share Posted February 17, 2021 1 hour ago, Video Hummus said: Ugly duckling but useful features. Somehow they made the Pocket camera even bigger and bulkier. And you pay more 500 bucks than the 6K older sister for more 500g than the 4K oldest brother... so, I am not that enthusiastic about the younger 8K to come ;- ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert Patts Posted February 17, 2021 Share Posted February 17, 2021 9 minutes ago, crevice said: But DR is such an important feature for the "look" of the camera and I think that is something a lot of people don't discuss enough with the c70. Pocket 6k is great, but it is still using a Sony based sensor that has less DR. More DR does not make an image look better, as there is so much more that goes into it. The entire Lumix line has more DR than all the BM line, yet Blackmagic looks better. Even the first pocket camera with it's 10 stops beat out many cameras that came after it. newfoundmass 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Video Hummus Posted February 17, 2021 Share Posted February 17, 2021 1 hour ago, tupp said: Yet another Super35 camera from Blackmagic with an EF mount. Wonderful! I’m wondering if the new design is part of a future FF EF mount model with internal ND? tupp 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crevice Posted February 17, 2021 Share Posted February 17, 2021 1 minute ago, Robert Patts said: More DR does not make an image look better, as there is so much more that goes into it. The entire Lumix line has more DR than all the BM line, yet Blackmagic looks better. Even the first pocket camera with it's 10 stops beat out many cameras that came after it. Not going to argue that. But in this case, the C70 sensor is fantastic. The DGO sensor is proven and if you know anybody has used it in the C300, they will back that claim up. I am not going debate further as both cameras are fantastic. Pick one that works in your budget. For me the C70 works best. For others the Pocket 6k will. I am just happy we have so many damn cameras to choose, its insane. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newfoundmass Posted February 17, 2021 Share Posted February 17, 2021 24 minutes ago, crevice said: It lacks a ton of cine features? It lacks BRAW. There is 1 feature. What else does it lack? It has dual xlr with phantom power, 10 stop ND, better internal battery, dual SD card recording, 4:2:2 10 bit, 4k 120, tracking auto focus, and dual gain 16 stop sensor. It lacks the resolution and frame rate options, anamorphic modes, RAW, and codecs that the Pocket 6K Pro has. And it costs more than twice as much. These are major features that productions want in a camera. If you don't see why this is a far more superior value than the C70 I don't know what to say. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Video Hummus Posted February 17, 2021 Share Posted February 17, 2021 11 minutes ago, newfoundmass said: It lacks the resolution and frame rate options, anamorphic modes, RAW, and codecs that the Pocket 6K Pro has. And it costs more than twice as much. These are major features that productions want in a camera. If you don't see why this is a far more superior value than the C70 I don't know what to say. They both have their place & uses. Personally I see the C70 has a more reliable, better built workhorse camera without RAW. I think the more apt comparison would be between this and REDs “crash cam” Komodo. This makes a much better crash cam money wise and also has more useful features for 1/2 the price. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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