herein2020 Posted June 10, 2022 Author Share Posted June 10, 2022 5 hours ago, Avenger 2.0 said: The only thing I'm afraid of is low noise performance in any mode except the fine 4k (that has potential overheating). Since line skipping or crop mode will effectively only use a 2,9x 'crop portion' of the sensor (line skipping doesn't have a crop, but only uses as much lines as the crop mode does). So in that regard the low noise of M43 2x crop might even be better than the R7 modes that have a 2,9x crop. True, I think a lot of testing will be needed to see how it performs in the real world. If it had dual native ISO like the S5 it would definitely put it on par with the S5. From what I have seen of the R7, I would also say the S5's body is definitely higher quality materials. Seems like everything is going to plastic these days. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thpriest Posted July 20, 2022 Share Posted July 20, 2022 Any more news on the S5H? From what I've seen it looks like a Sony A7S3 type. 4K beast. It would really need much improved AF, LCD and EVF as well as continuous recording in 10bit and no crop at less than 2500€ to make any sense. IronFilm 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrSMW Posted July 20, 2022 Share Posted July 20, 2022 What have you seen? All I have seen is one highly speculative rumor from an absolute nobody that sounded more like his personal wishlist on that utterly trash L Mount Rumors site 🤪 But if there is something more substantial, I’d be interested… Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thpriest Posted July 20, 2022 Share Posted July 20, 2022 https://inf.news/en/digital/2667b9715edd645a2c507362f5a6b3a3.html There you go! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrSMW Posted July 20, 2022 Share Posted July 20, 2022 Yep, that's the same rumor... "According to foreign news sources", ie, absolutely no one, - this 'news' was something lifted off a rumors site and is doing the rounds. And anyway, what's "and supports 16:9 Billy 4.8K60P video"? And what's this 15mp sensor? Sounds a bit of a weird size to me and they can forget all photo credibility if they wish to market anything like that as a genuine hybrid. Half the size of a new 30mp if anything? Not because 15mp is not enough for stills for most people most of the time, myself included, but because for marketing purposes, if you are not at least even competitive... A 15mp sensor coupled with DFD AF smells like disaster to me... But I doubt the credibility of this rumor anyway and it's far from being credible. I do believe they are working on something, but until anything comes from a reliable source or is official, I'm not going to be holding my breath. I'm all for any successor to the S5 or S1 line. In fact, I am waiting on it because until anything is confirmed (and it ticks my boxes), I am both sticking with what I am already using and have no concrete plans to switch to any other system. Thought right now, I can make arguments for; Fuji, Canon and Sony... Thpriest 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Members BTM_Pix Posted July 20, 2022 Super Members Share Posted July 20, 2022 51 minutes ago, MrSMW said: And anyway, what's "and supports 16:9 Billy 4.8K60P video"? Reading the leaked sensor spec sheet, it is a special mode designed for shooting cinematic B-roll of the legendary and ubiquitous Ikea bookcase. MrSMW 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
projectwoofer Posted July 20, 2022 Share Posted July 20, 2022 I think I will love the 4.8K60P Billy mode. Although I’d prefer a Milli Vanilli mode. Much more authentic experience. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
herein2020 Posted July 21, 2022 Author Share Posted July 21, 2022 Quote The focus supports DFD contrast focusing with AI function, but does not support the phase focus function. https://inf.news/en/digital/2667b9715edd645a2c507362f5a6b3a3.html DOA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrSMW Posted July 21, 2022 Share Posted July 21, 2022 That’s the same ‘material’ again including the new highly anticipated Billy mode. I suspect it will make the camera the GOAT. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thpriest Posted July 21, 2022 Share Posted July 21, 2022 I think you are all off the mark. "Billy" is a poor google translate of the Japanese word for "out of focus". It should read like this: "and supports 16:9 out of focus 4.8K60P video" FHDcrew and herein2020 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrSMW Posted July 21, 2022 Share Posted July 21, 2022 “The new S5H autofocuses like a charging male goat”. That’s the headline I want to read. SMGJohn, FHDcrew and solovetski 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thpriest Posted July 22, 2022 Share Posted July 22, 2022 Thinking about it seriously there are a few things Panasonic will need to do to keep me with them (S5H or S1H2). Improve AF drastically. It doesn't need to be the best in the world but it needs to be reliable not like it is now where it can have a mind of it's own. Punch in to check focus whilst recording. No crop 4-5K at 25, 50 and 100 all in 10bit. If they could stretch to 6K that'd be even better. No time limit. EVF must be the one on the S1 not the S5. Screen should be the same as the GH6 with flexi-postion thingy. Prores on SDs would be great. Lock or change shutter speed wheel. They have got just about everything else right. PannySVHS 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PannySVHS Posted July 22, 2022 Share Posted July 22, 2022 Great points. @Thpriest 4k 100p means better rolling shutter. The latter i would take for sure, even without the frame rate. Rolling shutter around 15ms or below for the full sensor would be a need for an upgrade. Otherwise would still buy a S1H over any other camera. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrSMW Posted July 22, 2022 Share Posted July 22, 2022 All of that @Thpriest But if anything, my wishes are even more simple: S1H body, just shrunk 10%. Reliable tracking AF. DFD or phase, I don’t care, as long as it works. 30mp full frame sensor for my stills needs. Done. The S5 itself though has too many ergo, function and haptic flaws for me, ie, I personally do not consider it pro grade whereas my S1H and S1R most definitely are. PannySVHS 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thpriest Posted July 22, 2022 Share Posted July 22, 2022 I have the S1 and the S5. Both have slightly different ergonomics and functions. I'd say the S1 is better in general although I haven't managed to get the joystick to work as "magnify for focus" like I have it on the S5. The S5 is quicker for checking focus before recording. Recently the S1 has being doing some weird stuff with the "focus magnify". The box always heads down to the bottom of the screen as if the joystick is stuck but it only happens in this function. I'm not happy about this and will need to get it checked. Saying that I have just started using a monitor and I have to say, other than the clunkiness, I'm enjoying being able to focus on the big screen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Framed_By_Dan Posted July 22, 2022 Share Posted July 22, 2022 2 hours ago, Thpriest said: Recently the S1 has being doing some weird stuff with the "focus magnify". The box always heads down to the bottom of the screen as if the joystick is stuck but it only happens in this function. I'm not happy about this and will need to get it checked. Saying that I have just started using a monitor and I have to say, other than the clunkiness, I'm enjoying being able to focus on the big screen. Are you sure you're not accidentally touching the screen with your nose when using the EVF causing the focus point to jump? I always had that issue with my S1 until I switched the touch screen off. On a completely separate matter, can anyone tell me how the S1/S5 records it's 1080p mode? Is it pixel binned/line skipped or a mixture of both? Often noticed a fair bit of moire in the HD files. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thpriest Posted July 22, 2022 Share Posted July 22, 2022 1 hour ago, Framed_By_Dan said: Are you sure you're not accidentally touching the screen with your nose when using the EVF causing the focus point to jump? I always had that issue with my S1 until I switched the touch screen off. At first I thought it was that but it happens when I hold the camera away from my body as well. I will have to test when it happens. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnTL Posted July 30, 2022 Share Posted July 30, 2022 HELP !! Hi all, I recently acquired an S5, and have been using the Pana 20-60mm and the Sigma 45mm, plus some non L mount lenses, on manual of course. Very pleased. I have now just received the Pana S 24-105mm. PROBLEM The camera resolutely stays stuck on MF (MF sign at top centre of rear display). I can get AF to work « one off » by using the rear AF ON button. But despite looking through camera menu items at great length, I just can’t get AF. The switch on the lens itself is set to AF. The rear button on the camera near the VF is set to S, not MF. Any suggestions ?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
webrunner5 Posted July 31, 2022 Share Posted July 31, 2022 A new lens or used? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrSMW Posted August 1, 2022 Share Posted August 1, 2022 So both camera and lens are set to MF? If so, can’t think of anything except the lens is stuck in MF internally. And changing the subject, vindicated once again in my loathing for flip out side screens as the one on my S5 is now still working but partially hanging off after a bump. Did this with an XT2 and XT3 so third body to have been damaged so. I hate flip out side screens with a passion… Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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