Punio Posted August 7, 2020 Share Posted August 7, 2020 29 minutes ago, MrSMW said: So yes, some workarounds may exist in certain scenarios for anyone determined to make the system work in certain ways, but it is not THE answer. Agreed. For my user case, I need maybe a 80/20 split photos and videos, and I need the best of both. So a hybrid camera is my preferred option. I simply cannot afford an A7S3 and A7R4 together; I'm not confident about using other brands either. So that leaves the A73, as an alternative answer, and that doesn't excite me. I'm happy to try the workarounds with the R5 until they can figure it out.... or the mark 2 comes out! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ajay Posted August 7, 2020 Share Posted August 7, 2020 These workarounds don't work for all modes. What about 4k 120p? Can't do that currently with an external recorder and even if you could, you've now lost compactness which makes it difficult or impossible to use in the field for wildlife videography. It defeats the purpose of the camera for how I would use it. Even if you primarily shoot stills, the damn camera heats up and makes it nearly unusable when you do want to take video. I fail to understand why anyone would use these workarounds for a camera with bad engineering design. Why promote this garbage? Why spend thousands of dollars on a camera that works half-assed at best and requires you to spend another thousand to use it for some of it's video modes but not all? If you want to stop Canon from making shit cameras stop buying them. kaylee and Nezza 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nezza Posted August 7, 2020 Share Posted August 7, 2020 4 minutes ago, ajay said: I fail to understand why anyone would use these workarounds for a camera with bad engineering design. Why promote this garbage? Why spend thousands of dollars on a camera that works half-assed at best and requires you to spend another thousand to use it for some of it's video modes but not all? This is it. Only canboy's persist in coming up with increasingly comical 'workarounds' rather than admit it's a lemon. Curious that they would have such brand loyalty when they've being royally screwed by Canon - but that's fanboys for you. Logic and reason left the building a long time ago! zerocool22, greenscreen and UncleBobsPhotography 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greenscreen Posted August 7, 2020 Share Posted August 7, 2020 4 hours ago, Nezza said: Canon arrogantly took people for granted and thought they could get away with it because they are 'Canon'. But this is not the year 2000. They have serious competition with Sony and smartphones are now photography for the masses. Andrew and others have written how this is a problem with Japanese companies more broadly and their failure to adapt and keep an 84 year old CEO just for example. Canon is in serious trouble and in 5-10 years will not be the size they are now. ? 24 minutes ago, Nezza said: This is it. Only canboy's persist in coming up with increasingly comical 'workarounds' rather than admit it's a lemon. Curious that they would have such brand loyalty when they've being royally screwed by Canon - but that's fanboys for you. Logic and reason left the building a long time ago! ?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrSMW Posted August 7, 2020 Share Posted August 7, 2020 1 hour ago, ajay said: If you want to stop Canon from making shit cameras stop buying them. That’s probably the single biggest issue. Other than the slightly more than derogatory term ‘canboy’, I suspect that the majority of purchasers worldwide do so because Canon is the most well known brand of camera in the world and because normal people don’t spend their lives on niche forums talking shite all day in absence of having any paid work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ajay Posted August 7, 2020 Share Posted August 7, 2020 6 minutes ago, MrSMW said: because normal people don’t spend their lives on niche forums talking shite all day in absence of having any paid work. Have you heard of the pandemic? kaylee 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveV4D Posted August 7, 2020 Share Posted August 7, 2020 26 minutes ago, MrSMW said: That’s probably the single biggest issue. Other than the slightly more than derogatory term ‘canboy’, I suspect that the majority of purchasers worldwide do so because Canon is the most well known brand of camera in the world and because normal people don’t spend their lives on niche forums talking shite all day in absence of having any paid work. Absense of paid work is the story of my life this year. Besides normal people, whatever the hell that means, are the ones using phones. I didn't become a videographer to be classified as normal. 🤣🤣🤣 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punio Posted August 7, 2020 Share Posted August 7, 2020 46 minutes ago, ajay said: These workarounds don't work for all modes. What about 4k 120p? Can't do that currently with an external recorder and even if you could, you've now lost compactness which makes it difficult or impossible to use in the field for wildlife videography. It defeats the purpose of the camera for how I would use it. Even if you primarily shoot stills, the damn camera heats up and makes it nearly unusable when you do want to take video. I fail to understand why anyone would use these workarounds for a camera with bad engineering design. Why promote this garbage? Why spend thousands of dollars on a camera that works half-assed at best and requires you to spend another thousand to use it for some of it's video modes but not all? If you want to stop Canon from making shit cameras stop buying them. The R5 as a video camera as it is now is still not feasible for all video creators. But then is there a camera other than the A7S3 that's 'perfect'? Sony used to overheat and still has (imho) greeny yellow colour science and didn't have a flip screen. Panasonic S1H and their G5 range has shocking autofocus performance etc. Canon has poor dynamic range and would leave out features etc. Does any camera tick every box. No camera is perfect, all have some issue that you have to work around. What's the workaround for 12mp stills on the A7S3? I would need to get the A73 or A7R4, a £2k workaround. UncleBobsPhotography 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrSMW Posted August 7, 2020 Share Posted August 7, 2020 1 hour ago, ajay said: Have you heard of the pandemic? I think you miss the irony in my post. That is my EXACT point. The industry, those of us anyway that work in it, are currently twiddling our thumbs and waiting on better times so have a lot of extra time we might not ordinarily have to talk endless shite on-line 😉 kaylee 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cliff Totten Posted August 7, 2020 Share Posted August 7, 2020 15 hours ago, Andrew Reid said: Seems fishy to me. So,...the R5 can circumvent Cannon's carefully placed recording restrictions IF the camera does not detect that a card is inserted. Hmm...looks like a firmware back door "hole" that the programmers missed. That oversight could get could get at Cannon firmware programmer fired. It's not easy to think of "every" way that Cannon owners can hack an R5 to make it do what its not supposed to. Looks like they can probably fix that on the next R5 firmware release. Should be an easy hole to patch. Just reprogram the heat condition no matter if the card is in the socket or not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrSMW Posted August 7, 2020 Share Posted August 7, 2020 It's CANON Clifff, not Cannon. Just saying, but on behalf of The Spelling Police... 😛 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ajay Posted August 7, 2020 Share Posted August 7, 2020 Just now, MrSMW said: It's CANON Clifff, not Cannon. Just saying, but on behalf of The Spelling Police... 😛 Maybe it was intentional? Cannons do get hot. kaylee 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cliff Totten Posted August 7, 2020 Share Posted August 7, 2020 Lol....its actually "Cannot". CT 🙂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrSMW Posted August 7, 2020 Share Posted August 7, 2020 Maybe the R5 needs firing out of a Cannon? Boom boom. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newfoundmass Posted August 7, 2020 Share Posted August 7, 2020 It really does blow my mind how willing people are to reward Canon with their money even if it means having to use an external recorder, empty card slots, and a dummy battery to get usable results. Video Hummus, BTM_Pix and kaylee 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Members BTM_Pix Posted August 7, 2020 Super Members Share Posted August 7, 2020 16 minutes ago, newfoundmass said: It really does blow my mind how willing people are to reward Canon with their money even if it means having to use an external recorder, empty card slots, and a dummy battery to get usable results. If we equate the R5 to the Dead Parrot sketch from Monty Python, then we're roughly at the " it's pining for the fjords" stage at this point. newfoundmass, noone, MrSMW and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oliver Daniel Posted August 7, 2020 Share Posted August 7, 2020 This will further ruin everyone’s lives and your entire filmmaking career. kaylee 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nezza Posted August 7, 2020 Share Posted August 7, 2020 This guy repeated the same test and it didn't act as if it overheated. Buggy as hell. Canon releasing defective beta products and charging you full price. Disgraceful behaviour. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mechanicalEYE Posted August 7, 2020 Share Posted August 7, 2020 10 minutes ago, Nezza said: Buggy as hell. Canon releasing defective beta products and charging you full price. Disgraceful behaviour. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emanuel Posted August 7, 2020 Share Posted August 7, 2020 What about engineering filmmakers...? : D source 2 hours ago, newfoundmass said: It really does blow my mind how willing people are to reward Canon with their money even if it means having to use an external recorder, empty card slots, and a dummy battery to get usable results. Because of outcome from amateur hands like this sample here: :- ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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