Shell64 Posted July 29, 2019 Author Share Posted July 29, 2019 Wow harsh words dude. You are right about that, but you can still get a g7 for cheap used. I said that the g85 is worth it if you are buying the g7 new, but getting it used you will definitely save more https://www.ebay.com/itm/Panasonic-Lumix-G7-16MP-Digital-Camera-Body-DMC-G7-M-43-Low-Shutter/173980211107?hash=item28820757a3:g:~z4AAOSwxmldPqAD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
webrunner5 Posted July 29, 2019 Share Posted July 29, 2019 Sure it is cheaper for a reason isn't it. It is older than the G85. It has older tech and no IBIS. I would Hope it is cheaper. Hell a Canon 5D mk II is Half the price of a Canon 5D mk III. So you should buy the mk II and be happy. I don't think so unless you are stone cold broke. Saving more doesn't mean you Ought to buy it for that reason alone. It is not like the G7 is some really special camera like say a Canon C100 is. Sure it is a cheap way to get 4K but there is more to doing that than just the cheapest way to do it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shell64 Posted July 29, 2019 Author Share Posted July 29, 2019 Sometimes saving more makes sense. Imagine being a 13 year old who wants to start filmmaking and cannot afford anything more than a g7. Then it makes sense Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
webrunner5 Posted July 29, 2019 Share Posted July 29, 2019 Hell recommend a Olympus EPL1. The only cost 50 bucks. 720p and all. Even has 2 axis IBIS! That makes the G7 seems super expensive to me. A 10 year old can afford it. Get a head start on other kids. Buying the cheapest ass thing sometimes bites you in the ass. No IBIS means you are pretty much stuck on a Tripod, or Monopod unless you want to look like you have Parkinson's Disease. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shell64 Posted July 29, 2019 Author Share Posted July 29, 2019 6 minutes ago, webrunner5 said: Hell recommend a Olympus EPL1. The only cost 50 bucks. 720p and all. Even has 2 axis IBIS! That makes the G7 seems super expensive to me. A 10 year old can afford it. Get a head start on other kids. Buying the cheapest ass thing sometimes bites you in the ass. No IBIS means you are pretty much stuck on a Tripod, or Monopod unless you want to look like you have Parkinson's Disease. With a camera strap it’s easy to get stable shots. People act like IBIS is the be all or end all lol IronFilm 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
homestar_kevin Posted July 29, 2019 Share Posted July 29, 2019 I bought my g7 like 3 years ago for ~$500 and still use it a bunch as an additional angle or wide camera. It's truly been an amazing value for me and continues to be an asset. It is not 'crap' today, it wasn't crap yesterday, it won't be crap tomorrow. It's a great camera that has always been a huge value for the money spent, now it only continues to do so, especially used where it can be had so damn cheap. Is the g85 crap? no Is the g85 a good value? yes Is the g7 crap? no Is the g7 a good value? yes What's the problem here?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
webrunner5 Posted July 29, 2019 Share Posted July 29, 2019 5 minutes ago, Shell64 said: With a camera strap it’s easy to get stable shots. People act like IBIS is the be all or end all lol Bullshit. All the old times have used that. That is OK for Photos at times. You can't walk around doing that, not unless you do the Duck Walk all the time and then it still doesn't work. You are not going to walk straight down a street without it looking like you are on a Pogo Stick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shell64 Posted July 29, 2019 Author Share Posted July 29, 2019 Just now, homestar_kevin said: I bought my g7 like 3 years ago for ~$500 and still use it a bunch as an additional angle or wide camera. It's truly been an amazing value for me and continues to be an asset. It is not 'crap' today, it wasn't crap yesterday, it won't be crap tomorrow. It's a great camera that has always been a huge value for the money spent, now it only continues to do so, especially used where it can be had so damn cheap. Is the g85 crap? no Is the g85 a good value? yes Is the g7 crap? no Is the g7 a good value? yes What's the problem here?? Exactly. The g85 is better, but the g7 is still great, 3 years later. Does lowering contrast increase dynamic range or just artificially lower contrast on he g7? I’m shooting flattened natural but debating if it is worth it over stock settings. Just now, webrunner5 said: Bullshit. All the old times have used that. That is OK for Photos at times. You can't walk around going that, not unless you do the Duck Walk all the time and then it still doesn't work. You are not going to walk straight down a street without it looking like you are on a Pogo Stick. I know that but it’s not like ibis will save you then. Use a gimbal or steadicam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
homestar_kevin Posted July 29, 2019 Share Posted July 29, 2019 I've typically always shot mine in flattened natural and then adjusted levels in post if needed/desired. Shell64 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shell64 Posted July 29, 2019 Author Share Posted July 29, 2019 That’s what I’ve been doing. People on reddit keep saying it’s useless but it’s not that hard to get color right. If the skin is too orange I just use hsl and shift it more toward red/pink. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
webrunner5 Posted July 29, 2019 Share Posted July 29, 2019 8 minutes ago, homestar_kevin said: I bought my g7 like 3 years ago for ~$500 and still use it a bunch as an additional angle or wide camera. It's truly been an amazing value for me and continues to be an asset. It is not 'crap' today, it wasn't crap yesterday, it won't be crap tomorrow. It's a great camera that has always been a huge value for the money spent, now it only continues to do so, especially used where it can be had so damn cheap. Is the g85 crap? no Is the g85 a good value? yes Is the g7 crap? no Is the g7 a good value? yes What's the problem here?? The G7 is crap compared to a G85. How hard is that to comprehend? You are recommending a older, inferior camera for people to buy. I think it is wrong to do that. I don't care if you have had it for 10 years. It is now outdated. Bust your ass to get the colors right, but don't say it is some magic camera. It Isn't now. Was then maybe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
homestar_kevin Posted July 29, 2019 Share Posted July 29, 2019 Man I had a good time in those 5 minutes I thought I was on your ignore list. Shell64, Cinegain and IronFilm 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shell64 Posted July 29, 2019 Author Share Posted July 29, 2019 G85 is better, but g7 is not terribly worse like you keep saying. IQ is identical, noise is identical, ergonomics is identical. IBIS and weather sealing are nice but certainly not necessary Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
webrunner5 Posted July 29, 2019 Share Posted July 29, 2019 Hell 1080p isn't Necessary. Most people only own a 720p TV. Why bother with HD. Your argument is silly. 7 minutes ago, homestar_kevin said: Man I had a good time in those 5 minutes I thought I was on your ignore list. I am old. It takes me time to find the ignore thingy lol. Cinegain and homestar_kevin 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebrothersthre3 Posted July 29, 2019 Share Posted July 29, 2019 IBIS to me is a pretty niche thing. Nice for quick shots and travel. Whenever I used it for longer shots I always wished I had a tripod instead. Can't really replicate the smooth pan you get from a nice tripod. Of course a nice tripod head costs you. Definitely pretty useless as a gimbal replacement. Maybe dual IS on some level. It is nice for quick shots though and again I'd buy a Olympus m10 mk3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
homestar_kevin Posted July 29, 2019 Share Posted July 29, 2019 I'm not saying the g85 isn't the better camera g85 being a better value ≠ g7 being a bad value. They can BOTH be good values no? webrunner5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shell64 Posted July 29, 2019 Author Share Posted July 29, 2019 19 minutes ago, homestar_kevin said: I'm not saying the g85 isn't the better camera g85 being a better value ≠ g7 being a bad value. They can BOTH be good values no? Exactly. And their isn’t really much competition from other companies that deliver what the g7 does. Sony a6000 is overheating 1080p. Canon m50 is more expensive with nice 1080 but useless 4K and bad assist features. Em10iii maybye?? But no flat profile on it. The g7 IS still a good value, even if the g85 is technically better. IronFilm and webrunner5 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PannySVHS Posted July 29, 2019 Share Posted July 29, 2019 G7 has the best HD quality of the Lumix G series, even better than legendary GH2 imho. G85 and GX85 got worse in that regard. So for the HD alone I love my G7, pretty amazing codec too. But, my personal to go camera is the GX85, nice n pretty and beautiful to play around with. I use it a lot of times to get ideas and to design shots. The G85 would not interest me because of the worse HD quality. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shell64 Posted July 29, 2019 Author Share Posted July 29, 2019 53 minutes ago, PannySVHS said: G7 has the best HD quality of the Lumix G series, even better than legendary GH2 imho. G85 and GX85 got worse in that regard. So for the HD alone I love my G7, pretty amazing codec too. But, my personal to go camera is the GX85, nice n pretty and beautiful to play around with. I use it a lot of times to get ideas and to design shots. The G85 would not interest me because of the worse HD quality. The g85 has worse hd?? i also love the g7’s hd, and I usually shoot in it and shoot 4K if the workflow feels worth it. The hd has plenty of detail and it’s definately on par with gh2 and gh3 except the 60p codec is a little low. Still grades better than I would expect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ac6000cw Posted July 30, 2019 Share Posted July 30, 2019 9 hours ago, Shell64 said: The g85 has worse hd?? The G85 has noticeable aliasing (in some circumstances) in 1080p. I've never owned a G7 (only G5, G6, G85, GX85, G9) but I think the FHD quality actually got a bit worse with GX85 and G85. Also the audio from the on-camera mics is worse on GX85/G85 than the earlier cameras (low-level crackling noises and distortion, presumably due suppressing the noise from the IBIS system). If you are in the market for another micro-4/3 camera, keep a watch on the prices for the G9 - they keep falling (currently less than £1000 in the UK, body only). When Panasonic were doing 'double cashback' (£300 back) offers a few months ago I finally bought one. It's a great camera - almost instant start-up, lovely EVF, excellent 1080p (much better than the G85), 4k60p if you need it (albeit with a 10 minute record limit) and superb IBIS - the tripod-like 'I.S. lock' mode is just amazing... The audio sounds better too (both from the on-camera mics and using external mics). Yes, it's a stills-targeted camera, but it seems to share the video and audio processing pipeline of the GH5 (without the more specialist video-orientated features), at a somewhat lower price. My own favourites out of the cameras I've owned - the G6, GX85 and G9. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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