Amazeballs Posted January 31, 2019 Share Posted January 31, 2019 Their pricing will scare away lots of potential buyers. Specially the lenses. But the camera prices should also be competitive with Sony A73R and III, which they are currently not. Another mistake - aiming for the photo crowed, when their strongest side is video. Wired choices. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Members BTM_Pix Posted January 31, 2019 Super Members Share Posted January 31, 2019 28 minutes ago, scotchtape said: AND there are no used lenses / older lenses for you so you really have no choice (unless they announce some kind of magic adapter they've managed to keep secret). Because of the SL connection, there are used lenses out there you can buy right now that will work with it but you'd have to be quite keen to buy them Thats actually one of the cheaper prices I've yet seen for that particular lens to be honest so maybe this launch is already having an effect ! Again because of the SL connection, smart adapters do exist to buy today from Novoflex who produce adapters with AF from EF and Nikon to the L mount which are about £350-400. The Nikon one has a major caveat though in that it will only work with the newer lenses with electronic diaphragm control. This is an area where you would hope that Sigma will be able to step in with an L version of their MC11 adapter for EF at least which should be considerably cheaper. I doubt they will be doing anyone that favour for a while though as they'd sooner you buy their new lenses for it ! For everything manual, the M mount adapter obviously gives you the ability to put Leica M lenses on it (not just the expensive stuff but cheap fast full frame Voigtlanders and 7Artisans) but also acts as a gateway mount to put pretty much all other lens types on via adapters. The L mount was obviously very niche up until now as it was a Leica only thing but I expect to see a lot more of the cheaper convertor manufacturers bringing out direct mount conversions so that you don't have to stack adapters like M>EF>R to get Leica R lenses on it etc webrunner5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oliver Daniel Posted January 31, 2019 Share Posted January 31, 2019 These specs are doing the rounds on Facebook. Apparently came from a website who posted the article then removed it. If true, it confirms they are leaving the fancier video specs to the GH6 and GH6s. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebrothersthre3 Posted January 31, 2019 Share Posted January 31, 2019 Full frame 4k 60p and internal 10 bit 422. Basically a full frame GH5. Not bad at all. More attractive than Nikon's offering to me though you're paying for it. Emanuel 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KnightsFan Posted January 31, 2019 Share Posted January 31, 2019 @Oliver Daniel yeah, i saw that at PDN earlier this morning. That s1 price is competitive, considering it is the first full frame 4k60p, and has that sweet pixel shift mode. As has been mentioned, lenses seem scarce at the moment but i'm sure that will change. It will be interesting to see what format 10 bit 422 is in, and the price of the upgrade. Surely they wont have internal prores? That would be insane. My guess is HEVC still. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oliver Daniel Posted January 31, 2019 Share Posted January 31, 2019 10 minutes ago, thebrothersthre3 said: Full frame 4k 60p and internal 10 bit 422. Basically a full frame GH5. Not bad at all. More attractive than Nikon's offering to me though you're paying for it. The S1 is looking strong with the future firmware update, with the really special stuff saved for the GH6. Please let the AF be good. 1 minute ago, KnightsFan said: @Oliver Daniel yeah, i saw that at PDN earlier this morning. That s1 price is competitive, considering it is the first full frame 4k60p, and has that sweet pixel shift mode. As has been mentioned, lenses seem scarce at the moment but i'm sure that will change. It will be interesting to see what format 10 bit 422 is in, and the price of the upgrade. Surely they wont have internal prores? That would be insane. My guess is HEVC still. The EVA1 just got 4k 60p 10 bit HEVC, so I'm guessing the S1 will have HEVC too (without the 10 bit 60p). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebrothersthre3 Posted January 31, 2019 Share Posted January 31, 2019 7 hours ago, Nikkor said: The Benefit of raw is that there is no debayering, so there is no Fake Information taking up bandwith. In raw it's 14bit per Pixel, not per color channel per pixel. Yeah I'm talking about the benefits of raw for me personally. I mistakenly read the specs Kyle posted as 14 bit not 12 bit 444, but still 12 bit 444 would be great and plenty for my needs. Panasonic confirmed DFD auto focus so it seems like its doomed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
androidlad Posted January 31, 2019 Share Posted January 31, 2019 20 minutes ago, KnightsFan said: @Oliver Daniel yeah, i saw that at PDN earlier this morning. That s1 price is competitive, considering it is the first full frame 4k60p, and has that sweet pixel shift mode. As has been mentioned, lenses seem scarce at the moment but i'm sure that will change. It will be interesting to see what format 10 bit 422 is in, and the price of the upgrade. Surely they wont have internal prores? That would be insane. My guess is HEVC still. 20 minutes ago, Oliver Daniel said: The S1 is looking strong with the future firmware update, with the really special stuff saved for the GH6. Please let the AF be good. The EVA1 just got 4k 60p 10 bit HEVC, so I'm guessing the S1 will have HEVC too (without the 10 bit 60p). 10bit 4:2:2 will likely still be H.264, because ARM processors that support HEVC Version 2 Main 422 10 profile were only introduced recently. That should be why the EVA1 V3 firmware update limits HEVC codec to 10bit 4:2:0, same for X-T3. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexTrinder96 Posted January 31, 2019 Share Posted January 31, 2019 Edit... My bad haha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ntblowz Posted January 31, 2019 Share Posted January 31, 2019 10 minutes ago, AlexTrinder96 said: Its so funny to see stuff leaked on EOSHD and came back later in a circle, but not this fast! If you bother to see the original which is just a few post above you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OliKMIA Posted January 31, 2019 Share Posted January 31, 2019 Looking good. The S1 at $2,500 plus an extra for 10bits. Very similar to the GH5 and GH5s introduction prices but this is FF this time! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KnightsFan Posted January 31, 2019 Share Posted January 31, 2019 1 hour ago, androidlad said: 10bit 4:2:2 will likely still be H.264, because ARM processors that support HEVC Version 2 Main 422 10 profile were only introduced recently. You could be right. I'm still hoping for 10 bit HEVC--even if that spec sheet had a typo and it's only 420 internally. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emanuel Posted January 31, 2019 Share Posted January 31, 2019 3 hours ago, Oliver Daniel said: These specs are doing the rounds on Facebook. Apparently came from a website who posted the article then removed it. If true, it confirms they are leaving the fancier video specs to the GH6 and GH6s. I hope so! : ) I WAS used to be a FF lover. With this price speculation, the more they go high, the more MFT makes all the sense to me and who loves independent art : -) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kye Posted January 31, 2019 Share Posted January 31, 2019 8 hours ago, DBounce said: I can't say the new Panasonic's really interest me. However, I am somewhat intrigued by the upcoming Fujifilm GFX 100. 100MP sensor with no crop in 4k. It's ok... I know we all love to talk about the crop, but don't worry about not being able to talk about it any more - way before Canon does no-crop 4K we'll be talking about the crop in 8K! 7 hours ago, BTM_Pix said: For Panasonic's higher end stills shooters, its a massive leap to go from a G9 to that anyway, let alone when you can't take your lenses with you so I'm not sure how much brand loyalty they can rely on in this instance. The alliance as a whole isn't just about these two cameras in isolation though so the landscape might look a lot different in a year's time when Sigma's lenses and new SD Quattro's are available with that mount as well as subsequent Leica models. I agree, when you can't take your lenses with you then all bets are off and everyone is "in the market" for a new system again. It's a pretty significant point for brands to try and capture and "lock in" customers into their ecosystem. Maybe it's one of those "can you afford to do it? true, but can you afford not to do it?" type things for Panasonic to release their own offerings. 7 hours ago, buggz said: I am a hobbyist enjoying the GH5 and have many lens options already secured, anamorphic as well. I think this kit will last me for a long time, I would have to see a huge revolutionary development for me to think seriously about upgrading. Also, the cost of the higher pixel model is currently prohibitive to me. As a happy GH5 owner I definitely agree. It will be interesting to see what the GH6 offers. The GH5 has few flaws, but if they offered 4K60 10-bit with HLG and H265 all internally that would be a decent step up. Also if they offered a card slot that could do higher speeds in UHS-I then that would be great too. Being able to use Sandisk 90MB/s cards instead of being forced to buy UHS-II cards would be great. And of course, if they offered the ability to render prores proxies to one card and H265 to the other that would be wonderful. Or RAW!! *ahem* 5 hours ago, scotchtape said: I was quite excited when the rumor mill first started, but as more and more details came out I've almost lost all interest. I've watched the release of all the FF mirrorless cameras with underwhelm. They seem to be chasing the photographer market and mostly offer only scraps of improvement for video users, at the cost of buying extortionately priced lenses. I've probably lost all touch with the stills photography market, but there doesn't seem to be anything really that interesting about these cameras from a stills perspective. If you had a 5DIII then I'm not sure why you're paying thousands and thousands... 4 hours ago, Oliver Daniel said: If true, it confirms they are leaving the fancier video specs to the GH6 and GH6s. The earlier comments from Panasonic indicated that video was staying in MFT for now, so that makes sense. Of course, they might get their system established, some more lenses sorted out, and then start cramming video features into the FF range, we'll see. Out of a choice of an MFT system limited to 6K sensors that's been around for ages with all kinds of strange glass vs a brand-new FF system with 8K sensor and completely new glass or high-end Leica glass, which system do you think they're going to introduce 8K video into? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tweak Posted February 1, 2019 Share Posted February 1, 2019 Not enticing me anymore, I think I'm picking up the Zcam E2. webrunner5 and IronFilm 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sanveer Posted February 1, 2019 Share Posted February 1, 2019 If the GH6 has 14-bit RAW and PDAF, it would seem more lucrative than this (or other FF Mirrorless offerings to be fair). Its dynamic range is pretty decent already. The XT3 seems like the perfect middle ground, especially since its size is manageable. And that doesn't seem to lack anything major except perhaps IBIS. The A7iii was bringing the prices of FF Mirrorless down. Panasonic seems to be reversing that trend. I hope Panasonic has improved their continuous and video autofocus. I am guessing that Panasonic wanted its foot across 2 sensor sizes so that its market share is better. More importantly, I am guessing, it wants users to understand that with the right sensor and processing, one doesn't really miss FF. It's a perception thing, and people who still can't wrap their heads around thos fact, can always pick up a Panasonic FF ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert Collins Posted February 1, 2019 Share Posted February 1, 2019 21 minutes ago, sanveer said: I am guessing that Panasonic wanted its foot across 2 sensor sizes so that its market share is better. More importantly, I am guessing, it wants users to understand that with the right sensor and processing, one doesn't really miss FF. It's a perception thing, and people who still can't wrap their heads around thos fact, can always pick up a Panasonic FF ? I think it is a bit more complicated than this. I get the concept that if you are a 'video only' shooter then the GH5 (or its successor) makes more sense than FF. But FF for stills trumps M43 for stills any day of the week. So a 'video/stills' shooter will probably prefer an S1 over a GH5 for the improved stills capability even if the video doesnt quite match the capabilities of the GH5. Kisaha and sanveer 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebrothersthre3 Posted February 1, 2019 Share Posted February 1, 2019 3 minutes ago, Robert Collins said: I think it is a bit more complicated than this. I get the concept that if you are a 'video only' shooter then the GH5 (or its successor) makes more sense than FF. But FF for stills trumps M43 for stills any day of the week. So a 'video/stills' shooter will probably prefer an S1 over a GH5 for the improved stills capability even if the video doesnt quite match the capabilities of the GH5. Sounds like it will match the GH5's video prowess. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
webrunner5 Posted February 1, 2019 Share Posted February 1, 2019 5 minutes ago, Robert Collins said: I think it is a bit more complicated than this. I get the concept that if you are a 'video only' shooter then the GH5 (or its successor) makes more sense than FF. But FF for stills trumps M43 for stills any day of the week. So a 'video/stills' shooter will probably prefer an S1 over a GH5 for the improved stills capability even if the video doesnt quite match the capabilities of the GH5. Yeah there are a heck of a lot more Photographers in the world than Videographers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolf33d Posted February 1, 2019 Share Posted February 1, 2019 Full video specs being out, this camera is a disappointment: - massively heavy - 5y old AF for video - overpriced - poor codecs show (and this has been confirmed by rumors) that a proper video body will come later (like the A7S line) - poor lens choice I am waiting for the S1H and A7SIII Mako Sports 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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