Emanuel Posted May 22, 2019 Author Share Posted May 22, 2019 Add this app up to 200Mbps and you're there: Last but not least: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emanuel Posted May 23, 2019 Author Share Posted May 23, 2019 Seems a fair review: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emanuel Posted May 24, 2019 Author Share Posted May 24, 2019 To my book, this is the most crucial hassle I see to this device to pair or even beyond Trump's persecution, at least and IMHO: https://uk.community.huawei.com/ask-questions-about-the-camera-on-your-device-26/p30-pro-full-support-for-camera-api-2-and-camera-hal3-4267 https://consumer.huawei.com/en/community/details/?topicId=6790&showBread=1 On the other hand, this is the most interesting deal to me so far, Sony's sensor beats Samsung's: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emanuel Posted May 24, 2019 Author Share Posted May 24, 2019 To those in Europe, as for instance, to have the need to use the 800Mhz band mainly outside downtown (once Redmi Note 7 Pro was not introduced other than China and India to not cannibalize the Xiaomi high-end) here's a much interesting alternative based on the superior Sony's IMX586 sensor -- seems Camera2 API compatible: Support directly from YT with firmware updates introducing new features looks like very customer friendly too -- you definitely won't have that going along a major player: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kxF0elPgHWU Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emanuel Posted May 24, 2019 Author Share Posted May 24, 2019 https://www.awaqa.com/umidigi-s3-pro-review-buy-price/ https://www.laurentwillen.be/en/test-reviews/umidigi-s3-pro-test-review-and-price/ According to this latter reviewer to conclude the acquisition and image processing performance is not much enthusiastic either without mention: "It is possible to install GCAM on the S3 Pro but you have to unlock the boot loader", so... ...let's wait for some reviews on other models such as Meizu 16s to use this Sony's IMX586 sensor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sanveer Posted May 24, 2019 Share Posted May 24, 2019 IMHO I am not sure one would actually be able to compare the quality of the 48MP sensors of Sony and Samsung. Processors, processing algorithms, and many other things dictate the quality of the final image. Unless 2 smartphones have absolutely identical everything in hardware and software, and the sensors are different, there may be a way to determine image quality based on image sensors alone. The Gsmarena.com comparison also didn't seem perfectly fine, for the S10, where they compared processing capabilities of the Exynos and Snapdragon. In one of the pics I found the Exynos version to better (I think there were like 4-5 pic comparisons). I felt there may be angle of view that triggers the level of HDR and exact colours. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emanuel Posted May 24, 2019 Author Share Posted May 24, 2019 I obviously agree with you : ) The point is when you see the Redmi Note 7 Pro (IMX586) and the 7S (in India, without the letter S for the rest of the world) with the Samsung version, then you see Sony's beats the competitor. Smartphones with the Camera2 API provides up to 200Mbps bit rate + log higher DR + manual settings. With a competent sensor, you're able to match a decent outcome. Amazing combos IMHO : -) sanveer 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sanveer Posted May 24, 2019 Share Posted May 24, 2019 50 minutes ago, Emanuel said: I obviously agree with you : ) The point is when you see the Redmi Note 7 Pro (IMX586) and the 7S (in India, without the letter S for the rest of the world) with the Samsung version, then you see Sony's beats the competitor. Smartphones with the Camera2 API provides up to 200Mbps bit rate + log higher DR + manual settings. With a competent sensor, you're able to match a decent outcome. Amazing combos IMHO : -) https://www.thetechstar.in/2019/01/good-news-for-xiaomi-redmi-note-7-note.html?m=1 Maybe I should try and check whether Camera2API had been installed (/activated), from the factory gate or it needs some manner of a hack (root your device). If i have the time, and find a Xiaomi store close not too far away, I will try and figure this out. Ig I get my hands on both devices (having different imaging sensors), I will share pics here. No promises though. Have to make too much effort for it. And I am not a big fan of Xiaomi either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emanuel Posted May 24, 2019 Author Share Posted May 24, 2019 That comparison video up there hints the findings I guess you'll reach. God bless India because either Bollywood, digital projection (I worked with Qube in their European expansion), now these revolutionary devices, the contribution of your market is priceless and unique to the world, this industry and the digital age in particular (E : -) sanveer 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Emanuel Posted May 26, 2019 Author Share Posted May 26, 2019 Different results here: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sanveer Posted May 26, 2019 Share Posted May 26, 2019 He attempts to praise the Sony sensor, but I found the Samsung one to be doing better. Which means the sensors are most likely almost perfectly equal, and other hardware and software makes all the difference. Plus the Samsung one handle shake better, so maybe it has OIS (?) or its shake algorithms are better. I am guesses all these are Samsung designed sensors and they are being manufactured at the Sony facility due to some stupid laws and taxes in certain parts of the world. Or something even more ludicrous. Emanuel 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sanveer Posted May 29, 2019 Share Posted May 29, 2019 Samsung is a little guarded about their sensors and that includes the GM1. Therefore one can never get complete specs and features details about their sensor. IMHO the Sony and Samsung sensors have exactly the same specifications and if someone says otherwise, it may not be true. Most likely Samsung has designed the 48MP sensor, (correctly) expecting an overwhelming response for it, plus using the way more effective advertising network of Sony, and also having Sony manufacture its sensor at their facilities along with Samsung, since it's own manufacturing bandwidth may not suffice. From a bare reading, both have 30fps at Full Res and also have Quad Bayer/ Tetracell technology for having 4 adjacent pixels into a single one with different exposure timing(?) helping the equivalent of HDR, but using different pixels, instead of the same one at different exposures. I could obviously be wrong, but I am guessing no SoC and Computational Photography algorithm has been able to push the sensor capacity to it's full extent. The sensor could actually have more dynamic range then the 1.4 micron dual pixel ones that the majority of flagships presently have. Plus with 30fps Full Res it could also combine both dual (or quad?) exposure pixel HDR (in the GM2 and , as well as exposing the same pixels at different exposure values at extremely short intervals. If any SoC could do this (which would require ENORMOUS processing power), it could have some seriously high dynamic range. https://www.samsung.com/semiconductor/image-sensor/mobile-image-sensor/S5KGM1/ https://www.sony.net/SonyInfo/News/Press/201807/18-060E/index.html Considering that Samsung is the largest consumer/buyer of smartphone sensors, and that they do innovate on sensor designs (collaborating with Fuji among others?), there is a likelihood that this Quad bayer/Tetra Pixel sensor is an joint venture between Samsung and Sony. Dual Pixel also seems like a Samsung invention, as the much faster PDAF in the latest 64MP and the new 48MP sensor (2nd generation). I just wish Samsung would share complete specs of their sensors. Emanuel 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
avitroda Posted June 26, 2019 Share Posted June 26, 2019 What about this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emanuel Posted June 26, 2019 Author Share Posted June 26, 2019 Aside the new trouble with Trump administration, the first inconvenience is the compatibility with camera2api for use with FiLMiC PRO, Open Camera and GCam apps (all of them 100% working and tested by me on the Redmi Note 7 Global/International version, that is, not that one for sale in India with different camera specs but should work in the same way) to reach up to 200Mbps bitrate between other goodies such as log recording modes, etc. There are some promised workarounds though. No idea if they are fully working anyway. Here's some information on topic: https://magiskroot.net/camera2api-enabler-magisk-module/ https://www.cyanogenmods.org/gcam-settingsfix-google-cameragcam-all-issues/ https://www.right-brothers.net/best-magisk-modules-to-use-in-2019/ Last but not least: https://pt.gearbest.com/blog/new-gear/google-camera-gcam-on-your-smartphone-why-and-how-to-enjoy-it-5795 "First thing to know, Google Camera generally works quite well on Qualcomm Snapdragon and Samsung Exynos processors, if you have a smartphone with a Mediatek or Huawei Kirin processor, it will not work. There are exceptions, however, but stability is unlikely to be achieved." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JurijTurnsek Posted July 2, 2019 Share Posted July 2, 2019 LG G8S promises seamless zooming using all three of it's camera modules, with no discernible switch between them. No video sample yet, but this an important leap for smartphone tech. Now, if only every module had that 48mps sensor, that would sweeten the deal even more. http://www.lgnewsroom.com/2019/07/lg-g8s-thinq-combines-best-of-g-series-with-features-popular-among-customers-in-global-markets/ Emanuel 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sanveer Posted July 9, 2019 Share Posted July 9, 2019 Just when 48MPs have started becoming the norm in the best mid rangers, the 64MP sensor wars seems to be gatecrashing the 48MP party. It looks more promising and I am hoping there is some truth to the promised 16.5 stops of dynamic range in HDR (hope it's close and 10-bit HEIF or something). Since the 48MP sensors (in 12MP mode) seem to have a lot more detail than regular 12MP sensors, I am hoping the 16MP mode on the 64MP sensors actually has a lot of detail for a smartphone sensor (apart front the dynamic range). We should know soon, since this already seems to be a working prototype (waiting for mass production). https://mobile.twitter.com/MadhavSheth1/status/1143409226426900480?ref_src=twsrc^tfw|twcamp^tweetembed&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fd-30533495583623248758.ampproject.net%2F1906282130140%2Fframe.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emanuel Posted July 25, 2019 Author Share Posted July 25, 2019 “GW1 is equipped with a Dual Conversion Gain (DCG) that converts the received light into an electric signal according to the illumination of the environment. This allows the sensor to optimize its full well capacity (FWC), utilizing the collected light more efficiently especially in bright environments” https://www.hindustantimes.com/tech/48mp-isn-t-enough-next-redmi-smartphone-to-feature-64mp-camera/story-pFbEtxqrre5QNprYgwBfFI.html https://www.techfoe.com/2019/07/redmi-to-soon-launch-smartphone-with.html https://www.indiatoday.in/technology/news/story/redmi-64mp-camera-smartphone-will-launch-soon-with-four-rear-cameras-xiaomi-confirms-1572804-2019-07-24 webrunner5 and sanveer 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emanuel Posted August 2, 2019 Author Share Posted August 2, 2019 If this is the new chipset other than the Snapdragon 730G also rumoured: https://www.gsmarena.com/redmi_executive_confirms_a_phone_with_helio_g90t-news-38423.php Goodbye cam2API... : -( Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JurijTurnsek Posted August 3, 2019 Share Posted August 3, 2019 One big benefit of these high MP sensors is the extra pixels available for EIS. Xiaomi Mi 9 and 9T are amazing in that regard: I would really like to see it compared to Osmo Pocket. Also, bring these new sensors to DJI product and improve stabilization eve more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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