Dan Wake Posted January 6, 2019 Share Posted January 6, 2019 how many terabytes of space do you need to edit and color a short, a medium length movie and a feature film approximately? let's assume 2 options please: it has been shot entirely in 4k raw or the whole movie has been shot with a high quality codec. thx Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mako Sports Posted January 6, 2019 Share Posted January 6, 2019 1 hour ago, Dan Wake said: how many terabytes of space do you need to edit and color a short, a medium length movie and a feature film approximately? let's assume 2 options please: it has been shot entirely in 4k raw or the whole movie has been shot with a high quality codec. thx If your shooting in raw or any high end codec like pro res as much as possible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Members BTM_Pix Posted January 6, 2019 Super Members Share Posted January 6, 2019 There are a lot of variables in what you are looking for but here is a rough guide to storage size per min for common formats. There are a number of calculator apps available for Android and iOS that will give you an exact result for more cameras and codecs but the chart above should be enough to get you in the ballpark but the biggest variable though - and one which no calculator will get you anywhere near a solution for - is the shooting ratio. If you were doing a 10 minute UHD film shot in RAW on the BMPC 4K then it would need 123.6GB of storage (12.36 x 10) but that is if you did it in one take of course. The shooting ratio will vary wildly and make the total storage requirement many times that amount but only you will know what that ratio will be depending on the type of film it is and how you will be shooting it and numerous other different unique factors. Just as an FYI, here are the shooting ratios for some feature films. Aim for Primer but budget closer to Hateful Eight ! Grimor, Kisaha and thephoenix 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kye Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 Remember that you can always buy more drive space if a project ends up being larger than expected. Worth noting is that RAW comes in different flavours and I suspect there is very little difference between them in the real world. People talk about Prores HQ being good enough for most projects, and considering the difference between 272MB/s and 117MB/s you might end up shooting RAW 3:1 or 4:1. Quote Storage Rates Storage rates based on 30 frames per second. 4096 x 2160 CinemaDNG RAW - 272 MB/s CinemaDNG RAW 3:1 - 129 MB/s CinemaDNG RAW 4:1 - 97 MB/s Apple ProRes 422 HQ - 117.88 MB/s Apple ProRes 422 - 78.63 MB/s Apple ProRes 422 LT - 54.63 MB/s Apple ProRes Proxy - 24.25 MB/s 3840 x 2160 CinemaDNG RAW - 255 MB/s CinemaDNG RAW 3:1 - 122 MB/s CinemaDNG RAW 4:1 - 92 MB/s Apple ProRes 422 HQ - 110 MB/s Apple ProRes 422 - 73.6 MB/s Apple ProRes 422 LT - 51 MB/s Apple ProRes Proxy - 22.4 MB/s You're looking at some serious drive space though - 4K RAW 3:1 at 30:1 shooting ratio for a 90 minute film is still 20TB. That's just the source media - you will also need to render proxies to edit with, and various other assets. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
webrunner5 Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 A C100 is looking better every day LoL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebrothersthre3 Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 48 minutes ago, webrunner5 said: A C100 is looking better every day LoL. Wonder how well it deals with shots with lots of movement, with it's relatively low bitrate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
webrunner5 Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 2 hours ago, thebrothersthre3 said: Wonder how well it deals with shots with lots of movement, with it's relatively low bitrate AlexTrinder96 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kaylee Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 please make a short before anything else lol Dan Wake 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kye Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 39 minutes ago, kaylee said: please make a short before anything else lol Excellent point! @Dan Wake is this your first feature? or are you gearing for a career in post-production? The stats on people who try to make a feature film without first having made several short films are pretty dire - most don't know what they're getting themselves into and the project is never finished. Chrad, Dan Wake and kaylee 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snowbro Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 Howard Hughes jumped in and did a big movie, also cost him his fortune at the time ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Wake Posted January 7, 2019 Author Share Posted January 7, 2019 unfortunately what this means is for my budget 4k is unsustainable. but I'll start now directing (first time) so could do shorts to start but I may start with a documentary and it may be a problem with space, what do you suggest to do in this case? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kaylee Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 bro, this is the best advice ever, people told this to me, and i resisted, but im so glad i listened: dont start with a feature doc, or a feature feature, or anything like that. start with a SHORT film no longer than 15 min. the amount of storage space you have doesnt matter if your footage is useless garbage. additionally, you may find that an elaborate video timeline taxes your system more than youre used to – be aware of that as well Dan Wake, AaronChicago, JordanWright and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snowbro Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 I wouldn't feel bad shooting a short with a c100 ii, renting or buying one wouldn't be crazy expensive. Supersampled 1080p, great ergos. The eos r has supersampled 1080p also in its S35 mode (plus clog), which looks very good as well. Those are cheap to rent ($136/week), then your movie would look good and fit your storage constraints. Should be much easier to edit too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzynormal Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 Heck, I once shot a feature on the HDV codec. Camera and codec are considerations, but, damn, they are so far down the priority list when doing a low budget film and you're just trying to make it happen. We've all seen great looking films shot on thin codecs and cheap cameras. How one shoots is so much more important than the tech. Be that as it may, I'm currently working on a feature doc with 100+ hours source and proxies. It all fits comfortably on a 4TB drive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Wake Posted January 7, 2019 Author Share Posted January 7, 2019 2 hours ago, fuzzynormal said: Heck, I once shot a feature on the HDV codec. Camera and codec are considerations, but, damn, they are so far down the priority list when doing a low budget film and you're just trying to make it happen. We've all seen great looking films shot on thin codecs and cheap cameras. How one shoots is so much more important than the tech. Be that as it may, I'm currently working on a feature doc with 100+ hours source and proxies. It all fits comfortably on a 4TB drive. comfortable space inside that hdd XD, is it shot in full hd? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexTrinder96 Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 Yeah, +1 for the c100. It really is (still) a fantastic camera. It may not sound as appealing as some of the newer cameras on specs alone but it's one of the easiest you'll ever use. Blue Ruin (2013) was shot on the c300, which shares the same sensor as the c100... and it looks great! Snowbro 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
webrunner5 Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 Yeah an original C300 with DPAF is a beast of a camera yet. 2500 bucks on average. All a person needs. Snowbro 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebrothersthre3 Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 Definitely looks like a good option. I am seeing them used under $2000 on ebay. Better internal recording than the C100 and of course better external options. The C100 mk1 and mk2 are better at high ISO's though. Really considering the C100 MK2. webrunner5 and Snowbro 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AaronChicago Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 You can easily get away with a 3:1 ratio on narrative if you’re prepared, and rehearse. 90 min x 3 = 270 min (3TB of 4k Raw). A 4tb external drive is $99. Get one extra for backing up. kaylee 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
webrunner5 Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 2 hours ago, thebrothersthre3 said: Definitely looks like a good option. I am seeing them used under $2000 on ebay. Better internal recording than the C100 and of course better external options. The C100 mk1 and mk2 are better at high ISO's though. Really considering the C100 MK2. Yeah C300 has a true broadcast Codec if you need that. Some people like the output of the original C100 better. I know I do. But the mk II has a more modern look. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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