Administrators Andrew Reid Posted October 18, 2018 Author Administrators Share Posted October 18, 2018 In English again please Dan!? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danyyyel Posted October 19, 2018 Share Posted October 19, 2018 1080p looks to be very very good. I would really like to know what is the bitrate of all the 1080p mode. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
docmoore Posted October 19, 2018 Share Posted October 19, 2018 Two qualities for internal recording 1080 30/25/24P @ 28 or 14 Mbps 1080 60P @ 56 or 28 Mbps 1080 100/120P @ 144 Mbps HQ only available DX area only. Slow-mo (30Px4/25Px4/24Px5) ... drops to 36 or 29 Mbps 3 min limit. HDMI no 1080 120/100P nor slow-mo ... if 10Bit no internal card recording and no photo capture during video recording. EVF is off LCD on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danyyyel Posted October 19, 2018 Share Posted October 19, 2018 38 minutes ago, docmoore said: Two qualities for internal recording 1080 30/25/24P @ 28 or 14 Mbps 1080 60P @ 56 or 28 Mbps 1080 100/120P @ 144 Mbps HQ only available DX area only. Slow-mo (30Px4/25Px4/24Px5) ... drops to 36 or 29 Mbps 3 min limit. HDMI no 1080 120/100P nor slow-mo ... if 10Bit no internal card recording and no photo capture during video recording. EVF is off LCD on. That's quite good for both slow-motion mode at 60p (56mbps) and 144mbps 120p (I would have like hdmi output). Somehow they could have upped the normal 24/25/30 to 50 mbs for example. An internal 50 mbps 422 even in 8 bit (10 bit would have been better) would be broadcast ready. I am forced to use a Ninja now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danyyyel Posted October 19, 2018 Share Posted October 19, 2018 Test between GH5S and Z7 autofocus. He also has some 10 bit Nlog to down load, but they are shit, no skin tone and nothing to see to challenge the DR. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
androidlad Posted October 19, 2018 Share Posted October 19, 2018 20 minutes ago, Danyyyel said: That's quite good for both slow-motion mode at 60p (56mbps) and 144mbps 120p (I would have like hdmi output). Somehow they could have upped the normal 24/25/30 to 50 mbs for example. An internal 50 mbps 422 even in 8 bit (10 bit would have been better) would be broadcast ready. I am forced to use a Ninja now. Well X-T3 can do 200Mbps for 1080p at all framerates. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Andrew Reid Posted October 19, 2018 Author Administrators Share Posted October 19, 2018 4 hours ago, Danyyyel said: That's quite good for both slow-motion mode at 60p (56mbps) and 144mbps 120p (I would have like hdmi output). Somehow they could have upped the normal 24/25/30 to 50 mbs for example. An internal 50 mbps 422 even in 8 bit (10 bit would have been better) would be broadcast ready. I am forced to use a Ninja now. Why the fuck are you still shooting 1080p in 2018 when you can edit 4K and export to 1080p? Geoff CB and Emanuel 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Members Mattias Burling Posted October 20, 2018 Super Members Share Posted October 20, 2018 I shoot HD mainly to save space on the SD as well as our server. The image quality is basically the same and I don't find myself ever cropping all that much. I would do a 20% crop on HD without hesitation. IronFilm and hansel 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danyyyel Posted October 20, 2018 Share Posted October 20, 2018 9 hours ago, Andrew Reid said: Why the fuck are you still shooting 1080p in 2018 when you can edit 4K and export to 1080p? That's what the network ask for practicality and image quality. Many people don't gasp the amount of data which goes into a production. I am doing a reportage now which will be between 21-25 minutes. Just the interviews is between 2-2.5 hours, in total it might reach 5-6 hours of footage. No one wants to deal with 4x the data for just marginal gains. I Geoff CB, Kisaha, IronFilm and 2 others 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolf33d Posted October 20, 2018 Share Posted October 20, 2018 14 hours ago, Mattias Burling said: I shoot HD mainly to save space on the SD as well as our server. The image quality is basically the same and I don't find myself ever cropping all that much. I would do a 20% crop on HD without hesitation. In blue: valid argument even though with SD and storage price today, well..... In red: sorry but this is simply not true at all... like this is the most untrue thing I have read this week online. Mattias Burling and webrunner5 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
docmoore Posted October 20, 2018 Share Posted October 20, 2018 How about some 4K ... external recorder 10Bit ProRes HQ .... Went to a favorite place to capture some migratory birds ... turns out a weekend for a waterski tournament. So I captured some birds of a different sort. This is a short clip from the Cavanaugh Flight Museum, Addison, Texas. https://vimeo.com/296206092 Password : daysend It will be taken down in a day. Danyyyel 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
docmoore Posted October 20, 2018 Share Posted October 20, 2018 I prefer this version .... https://vimeo.com/296214409 Password : daysend Same proviso .... Danyyyel 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Members Mattias Burling Posted October 20, 2018 Super Members Share Posted October 20, 2018 4 hours ago, wolf33d said: In blue: valid argument even though with SD and storage price today, well..... In red: sorry but this is simply not true at all... like this is the most untrue thing I have read this week online. I don't care what you believe. If you want to shoot 4K go ahead. All I know is that in a blind test you would not be able to tell them apart. wolf33d 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
webrunner5 Posted October 21, 2018 Share Posted October 21, 2018 1 hour ago, Mattias Burling said: I don't care what you believe. If you want to shoot 4K go ahead. All I know is that in a blind test you would not be able to tell them apart. I didn't realize you were blind. Sorry for your loss. But boy at your age, hmm, sad. Just kidding. I find it hard to believe you can't tell the difference. Even an old turd like me can see the difference between 2K and 4K. You Need a better monitor. wolf33d and Mattias Burling 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolf33d Posted October 21, 2018 Share Posted October 21, 2018 2 hours ago, Mattias Burling said: I don't care what you believe. If you want to shoot 4K go ahead. All I know is that in a blind test you would not be able to tell them apart. You know nothing, and you are blind ? Mattias Burling 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nikkor Posted October 21, 2018 Share Posted October 21, 2018 The butterling and cognitive disonance, very interesting, he should have his own thread and keep his divagations confined in there. @Andrew Reid Is the review coming? Or should we look elswhere? webrunner5, Kisaha and Mattias Burling 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
docmoore Posted October 21, 2018 Share Posted October 21, 2018 Questions on N Log recovery of highlights have been answered for me ... https://vimeo.com/296302172 Password : daysend Up for a short time. Danyyyel 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danyyyel Posted October 21, 2018 Share Posted October 21, 2018 3 hours ago, docmoore said: Questions on N Log recovery of highlights have been answered for me ... https://vimeo.com/296302172 Password : daysend Up for a short time. Thanks the last test is the most telling as it is quite high dynamic range. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Andrew Reid Posted October 21, 2018 Author Administrators Share Posted October 21, 2018 Good luck recovering highlights in LOG, it doesn't really work like RAW. You have to make sure to underexpose to protect any highlights that are important to keep and use zebras. Also different cameras will have different metering in LOG, like a Sony for example where you expose two stops to the right, is thanks to a shit metering system. On a Fuji X-T3 you can expose bang in the middle and it will be correct for F-LOG. So exposing to the right is not a universal rule for LOG. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
docmoore Posted October 22, 2018 Share Posted October 22, 2018 Of course no magic involved ... you blow the highlights and even RAW will not recover them. All of my metering is to protect the highlights, close to but not over the top. Been disappointed enough times ETTR that my mantra is protect the right and find a decent balance. Truth be known I prefer blacks to be black ... And the Z 7 has clean enough capture that you can usually have a nice result. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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