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On a different note - anyone think the price of the 28-70 F/2 is a tad high?  $3k?  Keep in mind one cannot adapt this to *any* other body.  No Canon EOS Cinema, 5dIV, ID, Sony, Fuji, Panasonic, etc.  It's native "R" mount.

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Not necessarily. The Canon EF 50mm f/1.2L USM has a T stop of 1.5. Likewise the Canon EF 85mm f/1.2L II USM.

6 minutes ago, AlexTrinder96 said:

The problem with these ultrafast lenses is that the T-stop tends to be significantly lower than the F stop....

 

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WTF Canon???

This 1.8x crop factor has not only been a deal-breaker for me (I was about to place my order), but the drop that spilled the cup for me to convince me that Canon no longer cares and is driven by marketing idiots. I've been a Canon user for ages, and my latest camera is the so-so 6D Mark II (the Canon R should have been that), and I have a large collection of Canon L lens, but this was it. This decision to seriously cripple the camera was not only dumb and stupid but near-sighted and greedy.

it is obvious they are doing this to protect their high-end cameras, but that strategy NO LONGER WORKS in a world of so much competition. Instead of eating their own lunch they just proved that they rather have the competition eat it for them. They will need to understand that similar on how a $2,000 camera today works better than an SD professional camera from a few years ago, that this consumer segment will swallow a large portion of the professional market as well, and instead of understanding this fact and deciding to be leaders in this space, they simply decided to play it extremely conservative.

I'm now seriously thinking about which way to go: Sony or Nikon. I give Canon ONE YEAR (if that) to get their act together. I love the way Nikon cameras feel in-hand, but can't turn away from Sony's achievements (their eye-tracking tech is simply marvelous). And on the 25th Panasonic comes back with a full-frame GH5/G9 thing. We'll see.

 

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1 minute ago, Shield3 said:

On a different note - anyone think the price of the 28-70 F/2 is a tad high?  $3k?  Keep in mind one cannot adapt this to *any* other body.  No Canon EOS Cinema, 5dIV, ID, etc.

That price is very high. It's even higher than avarage leica M lenses. At that price you can buy 4-5 of Zeiss ZF/ZE lenses. That 28-70 is a simple normal zoom, like a 24-70, just 1 stop faster than what is usually found. Nothing to get crazy about. And this lens can only be mounted on the new R mount. Basically 3000 $ lens, 2300 $ body, a 5300$ package just to have a single body and lens. Personally, no way I am going to buy it.

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27 minutes ago, 1Ale82 said:

Voigtlander makes lenses that fast with those focal lenghts for m4/3.

Manual focus only, which means almost useless or very bad for many photography tasks, and F0.95, which is equivalent to f/1.8 on FF. I don't see equivalents for f/1.4, even though these F0.95 lenses are plenty fast. But they are manual focus only. And for FF you get f/1.8 or f/1.4 lenses with automatic focus. And I suppose those Voightlanders are very, very expensive.

27 minutes ago, 1Ale82 said:

Considering the "light gathering" topic, just consider the sensor size as simply the total number of photosites included on that silicon matrix, nothing more. The size of the silicon matrix is what we call medium format, full frame, apsc, m4/3, 1 inch sensors, etc. Then each photosite, regardless of how many of them are on the sensor, sends its own signal to the camera processor. The bigger the photosite, the lower the light needed to send that signal, keeping other things like time and aperture equals. You don't need more photosites to gather more light.

I really don't understand why you are explaining this to me. BTW signal from sensor is analog - some value will always be read. It's just that smaller size photosites will generate signal of a lower voltage, which is more prone to noise.

Yes, you don't need more photosites to gather more (total) light - you need a bigger sensor and/or larger aperture. Amount of light per pixel is basically irrelevant since with higher res image you can use more intensive noise reduction, or if you downscale image, some of the noise from higher res image will be lost so it will have similar amount of noise as lower res image.

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Yeah I'm hoping there will be an RF to EF adapter as indeed i'd be weary of spending $2-3K on a lens system with a single body. would be great if RF glass were backwards compatible so I could also use them on my C100, 5D etc.. would be interesting to know if that's possible. Same goes for Nikon S series glass obviously

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2 hours ago, OliKMIA said:

They screwed up again, it was obvious from the leaked specs and I'm not sure why some people got excited about this camera knowing the horrible track record of Canon.

I think, it's time to change the name of this website.

The name is still valid

EOS camera is still mainly a HD camera with 4k as afterthought, otherwise Andrew have to change eos4k or something 😁

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Has anyone heard anything about an EF to Z mount adaptor? Even just a dumb mechanical adaptor for the Z6?   

After extensive couples therapy I have decided my differences with Canon are irreconcilable.  Its time for the divorce and splitting up possessions.  I have a lot of Canon lenses (the furniture) and would prefer to not outlay the replacement costs in the short run. Not personally a fan of Sony/Panasonic color (although I respect them for moving the industry and admittedly they are getting much better each iteration on color), but the Z6 body looks very interesting. I am not looking to get married again on lenses until the industry shakes out a little more over the next couple years.   I suspect there will be some degree of carnage in a consolidating industry and I am not sure who will survive or have the best platform.  Anyway, looking to dip my toes in Nikon land without going full bore.

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22 minutes ago, Django said:

Yeah I'm hoping there will be an RF to EF adapter as indeed i'd be weary of spending $2-3K on a lens system with a single body. would be great if RF glass were backwards compatible so I could also use them on my C100, 5D etc.. would be interesting to know if that's possible. Same goes for Nikon S series glass obviously

Physically impossible without some form of optical elements in the light path which may negate any optical advantages the R lenses have in terms of sharpness. No reason Canon can’t make a 28-70 F2 in ef though.....

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26 minutes ago, Nautical said:

Has anyone heard anything about an EF to Z mount adaptor? Even just a dumb mechanical adaptor for the Z6?   

After extensive couples therapy I have decided my differences with Canon are irreconcilable.  Its time for the divorce and splitting up possessions.  I have a lot of Canon lenses (the furniture) and would prefer to not outlay the replacement costs in the short run. Not personally a fan of Sony/Panasonic color (although I respect them for moving the industry and admittedly they are getting much better each iteration on color), but the Z6 body looks very interesting. I am not looking to get married again on lenses until the industry shakes out a little more over the next couple years.   I suspect there will be some degree of carnage in a consolidating industry and I am not sure who will survive or have the best platform.  Anyway, looking to dip my toes in Nikon land without going full bore.

I feel the same as you exactly....

 

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A bigger hole let's in more light, as in covers a larger area, this does not effect the intensity of light. Smaller hole - less coverage at same intensity. The parts the light are hitting are still getting same level of light.

Aperture equivalent is is useful to get same depth of field from a 25mm M4/3 lens to match a 50mm full frame. The 25mm needs a faster setting to match the same depth of field.

Regardless for exposure- f2 is f2 is f2 😉

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Jesus Christ, you people are such nerds. There are so many cameras available on the market, just pick your poison and CREATE SOMETHING! This endless droning about this company or camera being better than that company or camera is pointless.

You don’t like the 4K crop in the EOS-R, then shoot 1080p or buy a Z6 or an a7iii... it’s quite simple.

I’m not thrilled with the crop but the camera has a lot of other perks that make it a contender for me as a hybrid. I look at any 4K video option, cropped or not, as icing on the cake. I’ll rarely shoot 4K and when I do, I’ll have more compact lens options with a thick codec. I’ll have the definitive best AF in the industry. And I’ll have great focus aids for my manual lenses. Any and all lenses I have that are native EF, or adapted to EF, will have a built in ND in the adapter. I’ll have internal Canon Log for 1080p and 4K and 10bit for external 4K. I’ll have an articulating screen and what seems to be excellent ergonomics.

For me, this camera can be very useful. But so could the Z6. Or a GH5. Or an X-T3. So instead of spending your days bashing other brands to justify your purchases, why not go out into the world with your camera of choice and shoot something. I swear you’ll forget all about your problems with the EOS-R.

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100% agree with @Andrew Reid article.This camera is a rip off as is Canon. 
I disagree with people who disagree. It should not remain silent and in 2018 consumers should not allow such a brand to perform like this. 
Can't believe someone can buy an Eos R. You like stills, buy a Z7 with way better IQ and specs. You want video, get a Nikon, Sony or Panasonic. Canon is far behind in 95% of stuff. They got AF that's all and it's not like Z7 and A7III AF is bad... Stop saying you have Canon lenses you can adapt so an Eos R can be useful. That's how the company got your balls secured, selling you the lens then for 10 years you buy their absolute shit cameras one after the other, like if you were in jail. Just sell those god damn lens and be done with this scam company .... How can one even make a choice based on the fact he has lens, who told you not to sell them. I changed 5 times camera systems in the last couple of years, didn't have any issue with that at all. 

@mercer you comment is a non sense, we are here to discuss cameras. People spend time shooting do not worry for them. That does not prevent them to speak and debate about cameras here. BTW you have 5630 posts on EOSHD, are you not out into the world with you camera shooting...? 

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It's time we also held the so-called reviewers responsible for driving the hype-train for handicapped technology for the sake of their pennies in affiliate links. Calling these things "reviews" is fake news. When you're flown out and dined in Hawaii it's not a review, it's a rim job. 

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Why are people so pissed off about this camera? This is a photography camera. Its designed to take stills. Video is and should be an afterthought. Why are people using mirrorless cameras for video work? The form factor sucks. It's like using a Porsche to haul stuff from Home Depot. It sorta works but its way more trouble than its worth. I still can't wrap my head around it. I used to shoot on a DSLR before moving on to a C200. I can't imagine going back to a mirrorless for video work. 

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