webrunner5 Posted August 24, 2018 Share Posted August 24, 2018 23 minutes ago, Young said: Did you even watch @Mattias Burlings video? Are you daft? And you really believe him? You really, really do, than a camera that Has ProRes and Raw @10, 12 bit is worse? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Members Mattias Burling Posted August 24, 2018 Super Members Share Posted August 24, 2018 Never mind. Young 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mercer Posted August 24, 2018 Share Posted August 24, 2018 3 minutes ago, webrunner5 said: And you really believe him? You really, really do? And a camera that Has ProRes and Raw is worse @10, 12 bit? He was using the BMCC’s DR as a reference to show how the D750 was with the Nikon Flat Profile. No reason not to believe him, he has the images to prove it. IronFilm 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
webrunner5 Posted August 24, 2018 Share Posted August 24, 2018 3 minutes ago, Mattias Burling said: I wrote a long response about how you often doge facts, move the goal post and often seem to think that age gives you magic powers. I had some examples, links, etc. But I've decided its no use. You live in a fantasy world and nothing would get through. Believe what you want, I don't give a crap. But honestly, isn't it time you started backing up all your constant claims with some footage of your own? I think you are full of shit on some of your tests. It defies Physics. So there. If you think I am going to believe that a D750 had 13 + stops, real stops, then you are crazier than I thought. An A7s in SLog2 doesn't even have13 + plus real stops! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Members Mattias Burling Posted August 24, 2018 Super Members Share Posted August 24, 2018 Never mind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
webrunner5 Posted August 24, 2018 Share Posted August 24, 2018 You are as guilty as the company's that lie about their DR also. It isn't even 12 real stops. Sure I can pretend anything is anything. Mattias Burling 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Members Mattias Burling Posted August 24, 2018 Super Members Share Posted August 24, 2018 Never mind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
webrunner5 Posted August 24, 2018 Share Posted August 24, 2018 Yeah never mind your goofy 13+ stops theory also. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KnightsFan Posted August 24, 2018 Share Posted August 24, 2018 I have to say I'm skeptical like @webrunner5, since none of the test shots had much dynamic range to begin with. You've got to shoot scenes that have areas with no light, and blown highlights in the same shot frame, and then see how much you can push or pull before losing detail. Though I would also like to point out that since everyone who measures dynamic range has different criteria, the actual numbers are meaningless (ie Blackmagic claiming 13 and Sony claiming 14 doesn't give a valid point to compare). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
webrunner5 Posted August 24, 2018 Share Posted August 24, 2018 So you are saying that the D750 has as much DR as the Red and only 1 or less stops than a Arri Alexa. Wonderful. https://www.provideocoalition.com/epic_vs_alexa_dynamic_range/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Members Mattias Burling Posted August 24, 2018 Super Members Share Posted August 24, 2018 14 minutes ago, webrunner5 said: 13+ Never said that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mercer Posted August 24, 2018 Share Posted August 24, 2018 2 minutes ago, webrunner5 said: So you are saying that the D750 has as much DR as the Red and only 1 or less stops than a Arri Alexa. Wonderful. https://www.provideocoalition.com/epic_vs_alexa_dynamic_range/ Jesus, Don watch the video. Maybe BM was exaggerating their claim with the BMCC. Who the hell knows? But Mattias’ video clearly shows how great the Nikon Flat Profile is. Check out his 5 reasons to Buy a D750... in the woods shot, with Gunpowder backlit by the setting sun, on most cameras, he would have been entirely silhouetted but the detail he pulled out on Gunpowder’s face just proves the DR capabilities of Nikon’s Flat Profile. Young and IronFilm 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mokara Posted August 24, 2018 Share Posted August 24, 2018 1 hour ago, Django said: The proof is in the pudding. Sony claims 14 stops on A73 and that's an 8-bit codec . So yeah why get the BM P4K? we all know some companies fudge these claims, others are more conservative.Nikon is probably the later, they gave a CIPA rating of 10-15mn video battery life, yet Fro dude says " The battery read 44% at the end of our shooting which included 500 or so photos, setting up the menus as well as filming for close to 20 minutes in full frame 4k." Battery life will depend a lot on how you have set up the camera. If you have CAF set up and running all the time for example, power drain is going to be much higher than if it is only active while shooting/focussing. The spec battery life will be for everything running all the time, basically a worst case scenario. 1 hour ago, mercer said: I think anything over 11 stops is acceptable for these cameras... if somebody needs more rent an Alexa. We’ll have to wait and see, but this camera seems to be a pretty nice hybrid. Good internal image when you need a small footprint or add a cage, a Ninja V and all the goodies when you need a higher FF output with a relatively small footprint. Right. I had a shooting day yesterday, so I haven’t been catching up, but is the 1080p a downscale from 4K? If so, 10bit 1080p ProRes to a Ninja Star sounds pretty okay to me. We will have to see what it is like in actual user hands. The footage shot with the release event cameras that has appeared on the web does not look all that impressive to me. AF seems dodgy and most of it looks pretty soft. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
webrunner5 Posted August 24, 2018 Share Posted August 24, 2018 1 hour ago, Mattias Burling said: Never said that. Well @Django @Young think you did. And I don't watch your stuff anymore. IronFilm 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Young Posted August 24, 2018 Share Posted August 24, 2018 2 minutes ago, webrunner5 said: Well @Django @Young think you did. And I don't watch your stuff anymore. What are you talking about? I never said that – I URGED you to take a look at the footage from Mattias Burling. But you're obviously too delusional to do this. I don't give a fuck about the actual numbers of the dynamic range since different manufacturers measure it in different fashion. I care about the image and the d750, with regards to dynamic range, is obviously not falling short in comparison to BMCC, for example. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
webrunner5 Posted August 24, 2018 Share Posted August 24, 2018 He had that video on here Years ago. It was well, a stretch then to be kind, and it still is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danyyyel Posted August 24, 2018 Share Posted August 24, 2018 That guy is a Moron, he has been dishing Nikon since day one in this thread. He said with absolute certainty that Nikon will never be able to produce a camera to compete with Sony Mirror Less. That was one month ago, having not seen anything, just his analysis. As we can see today he is completely wrong, they have at least matched the Sony third gen mirrotless, but in many ways outdone it. The Z6 kills the A73, better viewfinder, better LCD, 10 bit video, build quality etc. The only thing that is still contentious is the AF which DRreview who had some time with the Beta Z7 said was better than the Sony's. That's what Dpreview had to say "Autofocus in video is up there with the best. Tracking and refocusing on subjectives is intuitive and reliable... besting what Canon and Sony offer" https://***URL removed***/reviews/nikon-z7-first-impressions-review/6 And I am sure, he who has not used the camera will come to patronize us. Nikkor and IronFilm 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danyyyel Posted August 24, 2018 Share Posted August 24, 2018 12 hours ago, JurijTurnsek said: I read somewhere that you can power it using a power bank, so the 15min limit is moot. And with a power bank, overheating is far less likely, even in a small body like this. The 15 minutes limit is a typo from Nikon USA. Thats Jared Polin experience with the Z7 One thing I did not mention is battery life. The battery read 44% at the end of our shooting which included 500 or so photos, setting up the menus as well as filming for close to 20 minutes in full frame 4k. Not sure if that is good or bad just yet but a grip is something I will def be using with two batteries. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonpais Posted August 24, 2018 Share Posted August 24, 2018 Popcorn time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Sherman Posted August 25, 2018 Share Posted August 25, 2018 God I love when new cameras come out, watching you artistic types getting all bent out of shape about it is incredibly entertaining! It seems half of you think every new camera makes anything that came before it absolute crap. The other half rigorously proclaims their current or favorite camera is the best. It's like the battle of malcontents vs the perpetually insecure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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