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No other camera (edit: of this design shape) has a 5 inch screen. Id imagine for the hinges and joints to be strong enough to support any rotation/articulation would significantly change the design of the camera. Not to mention how easy it would be to then damage the screen once it's flipped out. If you look from the side, the back is on a bit of an angle, which could help with the lower angles. Not perfect, but certainly better than being totally flat.

With vlogging, you'd use a pretty wide lens if you're doing handheld at yourself, so as long as you point the lens in your general direction, you'll be in shot. Do that a handful of times and you'll get to know the width of your lens and be able to guess the framing better. Not perfect, but it's certainly doable.

@jonpais don't all cameras work better on gimbals and tripods? :grimace:

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11 minutes ago, Anaconda_ said:

No other camera has a 5 inch screen. Id imagine for the hinges and joints to be strong enough to support any rotation/articulation would significantly change the design of the camera. Not to mention how easy it would be to then damage the screen once it's flipped out. If you look from the side, the back is on a bit of an angle, which could help with the lower angles. Not perfect, but certainly better than being totally flat.

With vlogging, you'd use a pretty wide lens if you're doing handheld at yourself, so as long as you point the lens in your general direction, you'll be in shot. Do that a handful of times and you'll get to know the width of your lens and be able to guess the framing better. Not perfect, but it's certainly doable.

@jonpais don't all cameras work better on gimbals and tripods? :grimace:

Actually, yes! 😄

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36 minutes ago, cojocaru27 said:

o have only one question about the new pocket : why do you think they ditched the articulated screen in favor of the fix one? 

The Blackmagic Pocket never had an articulated screen. (No BM camera ever had one, actually.)

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4 hours ago, Savannah Miller said:

I can answer almost all of that because I have been following this camera closely.

  • Camera has no OLPF and some of the sample images do have moiré.  Because it's a 4K recording camera it will be significantly reduced but still there.
  • The cameras have ALWAYS had an IR cut filter in them.  Every Blackmagic does but it's a less strong one requiring IR cut or IRND filters.  Most cinema cameras do this because it gives you more accurate color rendition whereas strong IR cut filters found in consumer cameras make the images too green and affect the skintones which the color science has to compensate for.  The mount is normal size this time so you can use regular speedbooster Ultra.
  • You need Speedbooster Ultra for the most full sensor coverage.
  • Built-in mics have no tests available, but the mini-xlr connector is the same as the video assist 4K and Ursa Mini Pro so pretty good overall.
  • Windowed mode is only available in high frame rates BUT they will likely update the firmware to fix this.
  • There is no limit as far as recording media.  If it's the same as the other Blackmagic cameras you can record any framerate or codec to any media option but it will obviously stop recording if frames are dropped.  So as media speeds increase, yes you might be able to do 4K 60fps raw loseless to an SD card.
  • This sensor is a dual mode sensor.  So if you work in the 400ISO mode you would be limited to raw adjustments only in that mode, and same with the 3200 mode.  So it's likely you have to be recording in the correct mode (400 or 3200) and you're limited to small adjustments within those limits.
  • Stills photo mode is just a capture of live-view not the same as a photo camera.
  • Battery life drops a lot.  A BM employee said with XLR phantom power it could be as low as 20 mins but that was probably a guess.
  • Functions that are assignable with the keys should be the same kind you can assign with the Ursa Mini Pro.  It's the same OS.

 

4 hours ago, Savannah Miller said:

Everything you need to know about the camera that I'm almost positive is true.

  • The camera has no OLPF and it's the same as every other Blackmagic camera with a weaker IR cut filter.  I'm pretty sure that color accuracy is diminished when you use the stronger ones found in prosumer cameras and canon cinema series, so they use weaker ones and therefore require IR cut or IRND when using ND filters.  All Blackmagic cameras do have IR cut filters on the glass over the sensor.
  • Moire will be visible because of no OLPF but based on every other Blackmagic 4K and higher recording camera it shouldn't be a real issue in 99% of circumstances.
  • The screen is the same as the one found on the Ursa Mini 4.6K, 4K, and VideoAssist 4K.
  • There are 4 video recording modes.  BMD Film, Video, Extended dynamic range video, and Hybrid Log Gamma.
  • There are likely no limits to codecs on different recording media.  As long as your SD, SSD, or Cfast can handle the data rate it should work. Otherwise the frames will drop instantly and recording will stop.
  • The audio preamps are the same as the VideoAssist 4K and Ursa Mini PRO so they are tested and reviews can be found online.  
  • The Battery life is 1 hour continuous recording, but depending on other features (phantom power, USB-C SSD, etc.) the battery life will drop accordingly.  You will experience roughly 10-15 mins shorter battery life based on the power consumption of a Samsung T5 SSD.
  • Speedbooster XL or Ultra is required for the full coverage of the sensor.  Ultra allows APS-C lenses (some might slightly vignette) and XL is designed for full-frame only.  You can likely use the Pocket speedbooster to decrease the crop factor further during windowed mode (120fps, etc.)
  • The camera can do up to 100 fps no window.
  • OS is similar to Ursa Mini models so much improved over BMCC and BMPCC.
  • The sensor has 2 ISO modes.  400 and 3200.  The 400 mode is active from 200-800 and the 3200 mode will be active from 1600-25600.  So likely your raw adjustments will be around one of these two operating modes.  Any ISO changes will likely only stretch as far as the mode allows.  If you shoot in 200 ISO, you can't push it to say 12,800.  If they allow you to change ISO which they probably will.
  • Size of the camera is similar to a 5D mark III but a little bit wider. Weight of the body is supposedly 750g body only.
  • Camera shoots raw in lossless, 3:1 and 4:1 compression ratios.  The 4:1 is the smallest in size but artifacts slightly more than the 3:1 when pushed to extreme levels.  All of the raw modes are very good.
  • It features the new GEN 4 color science which currently is only found in the Ursa Broadcast cameras.
  • Gen 1 - BMCC, Pocket, Micro Cinema, Production Camera 4K, URSA 4K
    Gen 3 - URSA Mini 4K/4.6K/Pro
    Gen 4 - URSA Mini Broadcast and Pocket Cinema 4K
    Other cameras might recieve an updated soon.

Good to have a FAQ style round up of all the info you have in your head, thanks for that.

So the non-windowed 100fps is pixel binned 2K?

6 minutes ago, cantsin said:

The Blackmagic Pocket never had an articulated screen. (No BM camera ever had one, actually.)

The URSAs do.

31 minutes ago, Anaconda_ said:

No other camera has a 5 inch screen. Id imagine for the hinges and joints to be strong enough to support any rotation/articulation would significantly change the design of the camera.

URSA had a massive screen on a hinge.

It is a shame the new Pocket lacks this as it would have opened up a huge new audience for it.... YouTubers.

I care for it as well, just to save my neck when using a tripod for one thing.

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20 minutes ago, Andrew Reid said:

URSA had a massive screen on a hinge.

Right, but that's mounted to the camera in a completely different way, and still doesn't rotate around the camera 180 degrees, the way you'd need the P4K to for vlogging. The hinge goes 90, and then the screen rotates on the other axis to get a front facing screen. (I assume. That's how most camcorder style LCDs work, but I've not used the URSA, so don't know if it's the same) That design wouldn't work on this body. You'd only get a side facing screen. You can shoot round a corner I guess? Would be handy for filming in a car.

Maybe to clarify my comment I should have said 'no camera in this design has a 5 inch screen....' 

Edit: I think its pretty well established that, despite that strangely places second record button, this won't be a good camera for vlogging. I think like Grant said in the release, it's brilliant for one person crews. Especially since you could fit at least 3 with lenses in a backpack when you arrive at a location. 

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49 minutes ago, jonpais said:

Actually, yes! 😄

i am dreaming of this :

https://shop.redrockmicro.com/product/retroflex-for-blackmagic-pocket-camera/

 

But i would never complain about this amazing camera. For what you get, at this price point, you have to be really mean to complain. It is really a dream come true, almost came true till September. My fingers crossed for a nice rolling shutter. If the motion cadence is as bad as NX1 in full 4k, than we might have a problem no matter how great the image looks like.

 

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Slow motion 100fps is not pixel binned, it's downscaled.  The way blackmagic cameras work is when shooting raw you can ONLY choose windowed sensor mode.  When shooting prores you can choose either full or windowed sensor mode.  Blackmagic allows you to select ANY frame rate that you like up to 100fps and then you have to enable windowed sensor mode to select the full 120.

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3 minutes ago, jonpais said:

Let me ask something: when Blackmagic releases Resolve 16, will users be required to pay if they want to upgrade?

In the past, upgrades have been included in the license. Eg if you had paid for 12.5 you could update to 14 free. I can only imagine they'll continue this trend, but don't really know for sure. Maybe it's good for the next 3 versions or something? At the very least, you'll be able to get a discount on the next version you need to buy.

If you do have to rebuy v.16 that would suck, as they seem to be updating it yearly, 14 came out at last year's NAB if I remember correctly. Like I say though, I don't think they'd make you rebuy every version...

In short... I don't know.

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13 minutes ago, jonpais said:

Let me ask something: when Blackmagic releases Resolve 16, will users be required to pay if they want to upgrade?

Isn’t it possible to ask that question of all software and firmware upgrades? It isn’t unreasonable for a producer to charge a consumer for a new product or feature set is it? One can only base ones response on historical precedent - no guarantees for the future. The oft repeated formulae is don’t buy anything now on the belief in free upgrades tomorrow.

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15 minutes ago, Snowfun said:

Isn’t it possible to ask that question of all software and firmware upgrades? It isn’t unreasonable for a producer to charge a consumer for a new product or feature set is it? One can only base ones response on historical precedent - no guarantees for the future. The oft repeated formulae is don’t buy anything now on the belief in free upgrades tomorrow.

Thank you for your response. I wasn’t rushing to judgement - just asking a simple question. Maybe others here would like to know as well. Peace.

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Jonapis, It may be different for Resolve, but the way it works with Vegas is you get free updates for the current version number, currently 15.  When a new version number occurs, with Magix its about yearly, you pay an upgrade price, not the full price, as you are an existing user.  In 2017 there were 7 free updates which included a mixture of a few new features and more bug fixes, that would be a typical yearly scenario.  

A new version number then would have some extra feature or features to encourage existing users to upgrade to the latest version.

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3 minutes ago, Jn- said:

Jonapis, It may be different for Resolve, but the way it works with Vegas is you get free updates for the current version number, currently 15.  When a new version number occurs, with Magix its about yearly, you pay an upgrade price, not the full price, as you are an existing user.  In 2017 there were 7 free updates which included a mixture of a few new features and more bug fixes, that would be a typical yearly scenario.  

A new version number then would have some extra feature or features to encourage existing users to upgrade to the latest version.

Thank you. Perhaps someone who uses Resolve can answer definitively?

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3 minutes ago, jonpais said:

Thank you. Perhaps someone who uses Resolve can answer definitively?

Well people who bought 12.5 could update to 14 free. Judging by that alone, I'd say they can go to 15. And people who get 15 with this camera or other purchases will be able to go to 16 at least.

What version did you get with the video assist? I assume 14, so is it possible to see if you can upgrade to 15 with the same license? 

If not, I think I have an unused SD card license back at the studio, (came with a production camera we just bought) so I'll have a look tomorrow to see what's possible.

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1 minute ago, Anaconda_ said:

Well people who bought 12.5 could update to 14 free. Judging by that alone, I'd say they can go to 15. And people who get 15 with this camera or other purchases will be able to go to 16 at least.

What version did you get with the video assist? I assume 14, so is it possible to see if you can upgrade to 15 with the same license? 

If not, I think I have an unused SD card license back at the studio, (came with a production camera we just bought) so I'll have a look tomorrow to see what's possible.

That’s actually the reason I was asking! I got 12, but was never able to get it to work for some reason. 

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3 minutes ago, jonpais said:

That’s actually the reason I was asking! I got 12, but was never able to get it to work for some reason. 

How annoying. I'll check it out for you tomorrow and let you know... If I can find that SD card that is haha. 

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2 minutes ago, Anaconda_ said:

How annoying. I'll check it out for you tomorrow and let you know... If I can find that SD card that is haha. 

Appreciate it. I just looked for my own card, couldn’t find it. Maybe it just existed in my imagination. 😂

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