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Regarding the person who produced the video about returning his P4K in favor of his Micro - from a straight shooting experience, he needs to have his head examined :)

We've got a lot of cameras, mostly BM, and a couple of Micros, whose images I love. In fact I wrote at one tome that if BM would take the Micro cinema sensor and put into a real camera body I would buy them for three times their cost.

The Micro is the most disfunctional camera you can shoot. A simple menu change takes forever in any environment. Tiny unrecognizable buttons on tiny stripped down senor box - but what a sensor and color science. And it's that way by design. It's supposed to be a drone or special use crash cam for TV/cinema production - not an actual shooters cam.

The P4K is the exact reverse of that - perhaps the easiest small camera to use on set or in the field - a brilliant camera as far as shooting goes.

And the idea that upressing the Micro footage in Resolve is better than shooting 4K/UHD on the P4K is a real head scratcher. Just spend some time learning how to optimize the image at aquisition and then how to work with the amazingly maleable image to get the look you want.

It took very little time shooting and working in post to get the image to look like the original Pocket or Micro etc.

You can't make any of the previous BM cameras (except the UMP) look like the P4K but you can easily do the reverse if you want to learn how.

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Bullshit. I have never seen any footage out of the PK4 that looks like a BMPCC or a BMCC. And apparently everyone that has bought one on here must be broken camera because I haven't seen really Any footage from them on here either. Talk is cheap on both sides.

But sure as goofy as the PK4 is, it is better in a few respects than the old ones. But that was a not a hard task to accomplish. I am not buying one, that's a fact. I'll buy a GH5s.  Same look, better camera..

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I have no idea what you're talking about or why...goofy? This is an amazing camera in the opinion of the pros using it - even with some initial issues that i've spoken to with BM and on the official porum.

We have all of those cameras and others. We've already produced several projects with the P4ks, TV and films - a couple with them only.

I'm offering my experience - what are you offering other than angry, foul language about things you've read on a general forum?

You'll note I even put a little smiley face on my criticism of the vid. 

Go smoke a bowl of something and chill out a little.

Life is too short to be this angry about stuff you're not involved with.

Seriously.

 

 

 

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On your GH5s remark Don, it is not a better camera at all.

Funny the fact just a couple of hours ago I was talking with a GH5/GH5s owner complaining about the fact he needs to wait for March at his best estimated date to own a much superior camera like P4K effectively is, despite so many similarities both camera models share. This Panasonic owner has tested my unit BTW.

I find some advantages with Panasonic anyway, amongst them, a solid manufacturer like this major player is. Don't ignore the excellence of a professional service from these Aussies to begin with. I don't compare them with those found with the BMD output. Let alone their superior color science. To my book, much beyond that, actually. We can call it further cinematography and camera design sciences as well.

 

There's life out there : ) People who don't live to show off footage from forum posts. Such activity doesn't pay our bills : ))

You're just stuck to some other production values you've found in a few stuff shot over there.

BMD have their own marketing footage and shooters in their payroll. You or anyone else here can only complain but to them.

I stand every Jim's single comma up here. It is simply unreal and inaccurate any different : -)

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Yeah I'm gonna chalk this up as some serious rose-tinted glasses towards those old BMD:s. I'm not saying they're bad but I know I won't touch one with a ten foot pole today - and I used a BMCC almost exclusively for two years. Anything BMCC did the new BMD:s can do - and a lot more. In fact the original color science on the BMCC was kind of a pain in the ass in hindsight.

Also consider the fact that you're comparing a camera that's been out for what, five years, with thousands of hours of footage available online, to a brand-new one people are slowly adopting and coming to terms with.

Anyways, I'm having fun with my P4K and have already used it on ten or so commercial shoots. On gimbal, as a B-cam for stealing quick shots, and even as a broadcast cam on a christmas cooking show live stream  - was able to match it perfectly to the URSA with my own custom LUT and it ran flawlessly through the show.

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1 hour ago, webrunner5 said:

Bullshit. I have never seen any footage out of the PK4 that looks like a BMPCC or a BMCC. And apparently everyone that has bought one on here must be broken camera because I haven't seen really Any footage from them on here either. Talk is cheap on both sides.

But sure as goofy as the PK4 is, it is better in a few respects than the old ones. But that was a not a hard task to accomplish. I am not buying one, that's a fact. I'll buy a GH5s.  Same look, better camera..

I'm glad the P4k doesn't look like the BMPCC as I didn't want a 'pseudo film look' to have to wrangle back into something that is mixable with other cameras. I didn't buy the GH5s as it was not as good as the P4k for what I wanted for an addition to my GH5 i.e -  RAW,  internal 60p 4k and ProRes and it's also a hell of a lot more expensive esp when you fit it out with a set of V90 cards. 

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Oh I am not saying the older ones have a look everyone likes. I really like it. But yeah it is Hard to get a cleaner look from the old ones, and that is what is in now. I can see why you went that way. And true the GH5s is more expensive, but you don't have to buy all the stuff to add to it like you do the PK4, so it is really not much more money in the long run. And V90 cards are cheaper than CFast cards, although they aren't giving away either one of them away!

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You can use triple V90, CFast and SSD on P4K, as well, there's nothing you have on GH5s you don't have along with the new Pocket. Well, you won't have the superior set of codecs -- RAW included, a way more effective and useful 5" monitoring tool, without mention an intuitive interface capable of better results you're just missing because you'd rather deny to yourself the experience you refuse to replace the usual myth with, the one you insist to keep spreading over these pages.

E : -)

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5 hours ago, Jim Giberti said:

Regarding the person who produced the video about returning his P4K in favor of his Micro - from a straight shooting experience, he needs to have his head examined :)

We've got a lot of cameras, mostly BM, and a couple of Micros, whose images I love. In fact I wrote at one tome that if BM would take the Micro cinema sensor and put into a real camera body I would buy them for three times their cost.

The Micro is the most disfunctional camera you can shoot. A simple menu change takes forever in any environment. Tiny unrecognizable buttons on tiny stripped down senor box - but what a sensor and color science. And it's that way by design. It's supposed to be a drone or special use crash cam for TV/cinema production - not an actual shooters cam.

The P4K is the exact reverse of that - perhaps the easiest small camera to use on set or in the field - a brilliant camera as far as shooting goes.

And the idea that upressing the Micro footage in Resolve is better than shooting 4K/UHD on the P4K is a real head scratcher. Just spend some time learning how to optimize the image at aquisition and then how to work with the amazingly maleable image to get the look you want.

It took very little time shooting and working in post to get the image to look like the original Pocket or Micro etc.

You can't make any of the previous BM cameras (except the UMP) look like the P4K but you can easily do the reverse if you want to learn how.

I don't want a camera that looks like the PK4. I don't like the damn look, or the body design. How hard is that to comprehend. Why would I want to take a BMPCC and try to make it look like the PK4. You act just because you like something Everybody is suppose to like it. If that person likes the Micro that is his business. Why you knocking his decision? Other people on here like the Micro also. I don't because you have to rig the hell out of it, just like the PK4, and I could give a rats ass about slo mo.

I am sure they will sell a bunch of them. But not one to me.

1 hour ago, Emanuel said:

You can use triple V90, CFast and SSD on P4K, as well, there's nothing you have on GH5s you don't have along with the new Pocket. Well, you won't have the superior set of codecs -- RAW included, a way more effective and useful 5" monitoring tool, without mention an intuitive interface capable of better results you're just missing because you'd rather deny to yourself the experience you refuse to replace the usual myth with, the one you insist to keep spreading over these pages.

E : -)

Well why the hell don't you show us all how good the footage is out of yours! I can get ProRes and Raw out of a GH5s using a Atomos recorder. Big deal. It will have the same look as the PK4, Z Cam E2, Kinfinity 4K. They all use the same sensor, and they all look pretty much the same using ProRes.

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Don, I have used the camera strictly for personal usage so far with a simple manual lens coupled to it. Reliable focus assist reminds me I will never want to shoot in a smaller monitoring (non-)capability size. And zero need for a rig, actually. On the contrary.

Take a look on my work you can follow from my signature. The projects I participate either as producer or/and shooter take a few years before to see the light.

 

Trust my input though:

This is the best camera ever designed and manufactured.

I deal with these devices for thirty years today.

It is not only the IQ, the way the light is handled by sensor, codecs from ProRes to RAW in-camera more than mere range of specs as single promises to sell straight out the paper, also the color science, the ease of use as much as any photo camera for decades, form factor and ergonomics then, so everything.

 

I am completely sold. You should know how skeptical I was on their business policies before.

 

E : -)

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9 hours ago, webrunner5 said:

Bullshit. I have never seen any footage out of the PK4 that looks like a BMPCC or a BMCC. And apparently everyone that has bought one on here must be broken camera because I haven't seen really Any footage from them on here either. Talk is cheap on both sides.

But sure as goofy as the PK4 is, it is better in a few respects than the old ones. But that was a not a hard task to accomplish. I am not buying one, that's a fact. I'll buy a GH5s.  Same look, better camera..

What do you mean by goofy? I don't see anything goofy about this camera. I love my micro, but that thing is 100% goofy. I love my pocket, but it's as goofy as can be. I'm thinking you just chose the wrong word to explain your position, because a p4k is definitely not goofy. I'm thinking you've seen it online and don't like the way it looks by reading your further comments. Have you used one? Have you held it in your hand for a weekend of shooting? Having used a pocket, a micro, a U4.6k, a FS7, an A7s, blah blah, this camera feels great in your hand. The screen is amazing. The ergonomics work well for you, has all the other features you don't need to spend extra money and hang a monitor off of to get, and no, I have yet to rig mine. I put a neck strap on it like a DSLR, because I'm not quite sure if any of the gimbals are worth it, currently, and although I like the way the tilta cage looks, it isn't available yet. This camera is anything but goofy, man. Give it a shot. Maybe you'll change you mind. 

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9 hours ago, webrunner5 said:

Oh I am not saying the older ones have a look everyone likes. I really like it. But yeah it is Hard to get a cleaner look from the old ones, and that is what is in now. I can see why you went that way. And true the GH5s is more expensive, but you don't have to buy all the stuff to add to it like you do the PK4, so it is really not much more money in the long run. And V90 cards are cheaper than CFast cards, although they aren't giving away either one of them away!

There's not much stuff you need to buy. You don't need C-FAST as an ext 1tb drive is less than £200 and give you nearly 3 hours of 4k 24p - how much is 3 hrs of V90 cards ??? An external battery sled for a Sony NP-F is £30 and many already have these batteries. Anything else is not essential and is an optional add on for any camera. Did I not mention that you also get a free copy of Resolve studio with the P4k? :). You could add a gimbal or external recorder/monitor to a P4k and still come in cheaper than a GH5s. Now I'm not saying the Gh5s isn't a good camera and in some ways may be better for some users but it's not at all in the same price range.

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I have used this camera, and I believe it to be a tremendous value! Maybe the most out of a camera, ever.

Consider it as a 5" raw recorder with a free camera on top!

It is truly outstanding, however you see it.

I do not like the form factor either though, a Canon XC has a brilliant design.

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@webrunner5 please stop reading B&H and Amazon reviews and then come here speaking like you have first hand expertise with the technology. It’s hysterical. 

I don’t know why you’re saying not enough footage is being provided when there’s tons of P4K footage up online. You’re also comparing it to a camera (OG Pocket) that’s been out way longer therefor lots of more footage too find. 

I will tell you that my reason to not upload a lot is because I’ve used the P4K for work, work that I’m not allowed to show because companies own the footage and it takes a while before it becomes uploaded to the public. Also, owning both the OG and P4K I will tell you, working with both then seeing the results are night and day. I save so much time getting the image that I want with the P4K while I would spend hours adjusting the OG pockets footage before sending it off to client. This goes with handling and shooting with the two cameras as well.

I think what you’re missing is that ALL footage you see has been manipulated (and a lot of these people shooting and grading are NOT professionals). Also, I don’t think a lot of people are trying to get the P4K to look like the OG, it’s another market out there today and NO companies would come to you and ask for the “look” of the OG. No one would pay money for it (I’m not talking indie filmmakers here but corporate). 

Again, someone wrote above the authority to speak out, and I agree, like intrigue me please, show me ONE thing you’ve done that could change my mind on that you actually know in practice what you’re talking about. I’ve never seen anything you’ve shot. Why in the world do you think anyone cares that you wanna buy a GH5s?

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Well show me YOUR f ing footage if it is so great! Talk is cheap. And I never said you can't get great footage out of the PK4. I just said it is not going to look like the old BM stuff, and it doesn't, and really can't unless you burst your ass trying to do it.  I have said the new look is in and it is not going away like it or not. You must have a reading deficiency if you haven't taken that away from my comments for months on here.

Mercer and I am about the Only 2 people on here that seem to give a crap about the old look. And there is nothing wrong with that. If you want the new look it is out there in spades. Nearly every camera new now has that look. And the PK4 has the new look, no surprise with the sensor it is using..

 

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35 minutes ago, webrunner5 said:

Well show me YOUR f ing footage if it is so great! Talk is cheap. And I never said you can't get great footage out of the PK4. I just said it is not going to look like the old BM stuff, and it doesn't, and really can't unless you burst your ass trying to do it.  I have said the new look is in and it is not going away like it or not. You must have a reading deficiency if you haven't taken that away from my comments for months on here.

Mercer and I am about the Only 2 people on here that seem to give a crap about the old look. And there is nothing wrong with that. If you want the new look it is out there in spades. Nearly every camera new now has that look. And the PK4 has the new look, no surprise with the sensor it is 

Why so angry about camera you don't own and don't intend to own ?

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45 minutes ago, webrunner5 said:

Well show me YOUR f ing footage if it is so great! Talk is cheap. And I never said you can't get great footage out of the PK4. I just said it is not going to look like the old BM stuff, and it doesn't, and really can't unless you burst your ass trying to do it.  I have said the new look is in and it is not going away like it or not. You must have a reading deficiency if you haven't taken that away from my comments for months on here.

Mercer and I am about the Only 2 people on here that seem to give a crap about the old look. And there is nothing wrong with that. If you want the new look it is out there in spades. Nearly every camera new now has that look. And the PK4 has the new look, no surprise with the sensor it is using..

 

I’ve been posting my work in the “share your footage” thread. You can find some in there and for a fact you did comment on my photography with the Pocket when I posted a website for my work a couple of months ago. 

 

Anyway, I’m not talking about A look, as in ONE look. The beauty of higher bitrate, better codec/raw camera is that you can get unlimited looks. I assure you 99% of the “OG” look you’re talking about is hiding beneath multiple layers of color grading, added noise and compression. Just for fun, I’m going to shoot with both my OG and P4K this weekend and then match the footage and post it here to see if you can tell what’s what. Sounds good?

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