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2 hours ago, Ehetyz said:

Pairing the Pocket 4K with some good vintage glass is pretty blissful. There's been a lot of talk about how it looks more digital and modern than the previous BMD cameras - and yeah sure, I guess it's not as organic and grainy as the 2,5K. But throw on some c-mount glass or a speedbooster and old Pentax stuff and the camera sings.

Correct. People have no idea what they say.

E : -)

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4 hours ago, TurboRat said:

What specific speedbooster did you use to mount the Pentax M42?

I picked up the one that was most readily available from local dealers, which was the Zhongyi lens turbo 2. It's an EF speedbooster and I just have simple M42-EF adapters on my M42 lenses (those adapters cost like 5-10 euros a piece). I think the lens turbo does a boost of 0,74x or something like that, essentially turning it into a Super35 crop. I found it to be optically good enough to mount a Samyang 24/1.4 or a Sigma 18-35 1.8 without noticable aberrations or degradation.

3 hours ago, Kisaha said:

@Ehetyz I have a set of FD and M42(Pentax/Helios). Do you need an IR filter?

What gimbal?

I haven't seen any need for an IR filter at least so far - though so far I haven't used it in really extreme circumstances (ND+heavy sunlight) - it's the period of polar night after all. In any case, I think these new blackmagics are way better about IR pollution than the 2,5K.

I use a Zhiyun Crane 2 currently. It's... okay. The first setup was a doozy, but it carries the P4K well. Requires a baseplate though due to how wide the camera is. It's the first gimbal I've owned and takes some getting used to. Definitely different beast than an oldschool steadicam, but way more pleasant to use than a full-size Ronin. Not 100% happy with my gimbal skills yet but I'll get there eventually.

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https://forum.blackmagicdesign.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=80960#p448594

 

Or something like this?

https://www.gridaccessories.com/products/grid-5-0-viewfinder/

; )

 

6 hours ago, webrunner5 said:

Well this is what you are probably going to have to use to get a BMD viewfinder to work on the PK4. Not a pretty sight.

 

 

 

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LOL : -)

 

26 minutes ago, Ehetyz said:

(...) but way more pleasant to use than a full-size Ronin. Not 100% happy with my gimbal skills yet but I'll get there eventually.

As said to our Greek fellow, I'll be able to post in a few days the best solution for P4K IMO. Much better than any heavier other one indeed : -)

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21 hours ago, Ehetyz said:

Pairing the Pocket 4K with some good vintage glass is pretty blissful. There's been a lot of talk about how it looks more digital and modern than the previous BMD cameras - and yeah sure, I guess it's not as organic and grainy as the 2,5K. But throw on some c-mount glass or a speedbooster and old Pentax stuff and the camera sings. Haven't used it with this kind of setup on a production yet, (it's playing second fiddle to the Ursa Mini and been on a gimbal on about half a dozen shoots now) but I'm just having a lot of fun taking it on a walk and just taking some throwaway nature shots. It's something I used to do back when I used the 5DMK2 regularly, and I'm happy it has revitalized that habit again.

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This was taken with the speedbooster and a Pentax 35/2.3 M42 lens on a cool winter afternoon. One of my favourites due to the very distinctive, oil painting-kinda way it renders out of focus areas and the transition between them and in-focus areas.

i was watching a lens on ebay a couple of months ago that had a similar look happening with the bokeh. only thing i remember about it was it had trioplan or diaplan as the lens description, that wasn't the brand, i think it was more the type of lens it was but they do give an interesting bubble like effect. do you have any video footage of it ? i'd like to see what happens when either the camera moves or the background moves

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26 minutes ago, leslie said:

i was watching a lens on ebay a couple of months ago that had a similar look happening with the bokeh. only thing i remember about it was it had trioplan or diaplan as the lens description, that wasn't the brand, i think it was more the type of lens it was but they do give an interesting bubble like effect. do you have any video footage of it ? i'd like to see what happens when either the camera moves or the background moves

There's a couple of projects I've done with that lens and P4K/Ursa but they're not available online yet. Here's one where I used almost exclusively lenses with distinctive bokeh, however it was shot on the BMCC2.5K and 5DMK2 (ML RAW). In this one I used the aforementioned lens, Super-Takumar 50/1.4 and a Petzval 85/2.3 to max out the old film noir kind of feel.

 

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On 12/30/2018 at 5:15 PM, Ehetyz said:

I use a Zhiyun Crane 2 currently. It's... okay. The first setup was a doozy, but it carries the P4K well. Requires a baseplate though due to how wide the camera is. It's the first gimbal I've owned and takes some getting used to. Definitely different beast than an oldschool steadicam, but way more pleasant to use than a full-size Ronin. Not 100% happy with my gimbal skills yet but I'll get there eventually.

Have you picked up a set of handles for the Zhiyun?

They work really well...make it a much more balanced gimbal to work with.

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10 hours ago, Jim Giberti said:

Have you picked up a set of handles for the Zhiyun?

They work really well...make it a much more balanced gimbal to work with.

I can confirm. The handles make it less taxing carrying the Crane for extended hours, plus you can mount an external monitor if you want to

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Unrelated, but I didn’t want to start a whole new topic. 

I’ve just been given the opportunity to pick up an EF Ursa Mini 4.6k (not pro) for €2500 - I was going to buy another pocket once they’re more available, but is this a better idea?

Pick up is tomorrow if I want it. 

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4.6K has worse low light (usable range maxes out at 800ISO) and is heavier (translates to requiring heavier rigs and tripods) but OTOH it also has hugely better ergonomics (you can actually shoot handheld/shouldered like an ENG camera), better sensor in many ways (bigger, higher res for oversampling, more DR, better color) more codec choices, better connections for broadcast shooting etc. You can actually use the onboard sound recording as well - if you have quality mics. Been working with one for two years now and while I love the Pocket 4K, Ursa is still the big brother, and Pocket the B-cam.

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1 hour ago, Anaconda_ said:

Unrelated, but I didn’t want to start a whole new topic. 

I’ve just been given the opportunity to pick up an EF Ursa Mini 4.6k (not pro) for €2500 - I was going to buy another pocket once they’re more available, but is this a better idea?

Pick up is tomorrow if I want it. 

That is a really good price for it. Pretty hard to turn down a Cine body style unless you need stealth.

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On 12/31/2018 at 12:11 AM, Ehetyz said:

Pairing the Pocket 4K with some good vintage glass is pretty blissful. There's been a lot of talk about how it looks more digital and modern than the previous BMD cameras - and yeah sure, I guess it's not as organic and grainy as the 2,5K. But throw on some c-mount glass or a speedbooster and old Pentax stuff and the camera sings. Haven't used it with this kind of setup on a production yet, (it's playing second fiddle to the Ursa Mini and been on a gimbal on about half a dozen shoots now) but I'm just having a lot of fun taking it on a walk and just taking some throwaway nature shots. It's something I used to do back when I used the 5DMK2 regularly, and I'm happy it has revitalized that habit again.

pocket_1_72.1.thumb.jpg.0437de0e01a20850a7f3530bb23e2189.jpg

This was taken with the speedbooster and a Pentax 35/2.3 M42 lens on a cool winter afternoon. One of my favourites due to the very distinctive, oil painting-kinda way it renders out of focus areas and the transition between them and in-focus areas.

Nice looking image.  I'm doing the same thing with my GH5 and adapting lenses - using the GH5 10-bit mode to get the colour depth (not quite like RAW, but better than 8-bit) and the lenses to render the scene in a non-clinical way.  I've got a couple of Helios lenses, and I have both SB and non-SB adapters for it.

One thing to note is that modern lenses can be used as "semi-vintage" lenses too, if you use them wide-open or completely stopped-down, as this will normally soften the image significantly and is one of the things that people like about some vintage lenses.  You can also 'cheat' a bit with them and use a bokeh modifier on the front of the lens to change the shape of the bokeh from the normal shape to something a bit more interesting.  I suspect that if you have a 3D rather than 2D bokeh modifier then you can get different shaped bokeh in different parts of the frame, the way vintage lenses do, but I'll have to test this.  It depends on what you're interested in.

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@Mr. Freeze @webrunner5 @Ehetyz

Thanks for the advise, but upon further reflection, I'm going to pass on that deal. My main gripe is I can't see any buttons to adjust settings, and touch screens drive me nuts. All the settings Pocket can be changed with physical buttons, but I can't see any switches for ISO and iris on the Ursa Mini. Only menu shortcuts - please correct me if I'm wrong though.

I think if anything, my best course of action is keep the €2500, sell my LS300 and put that money towards the Ursa Mini Pro, which does have physical buttons. 

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You have function-buttons, that are programmable. But if you have the additional money, go for the UMPro46 if the size/weight is acceptable for you. 

It already offers you BRAW, better ergonimics/buttuns, and the great integrated ND-Filters.

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