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10 minutes ago, webrunner5 said:

I think a Red camera is about the last camera in the world I would use for taking video of people being interviewed. That is Canon Cine territory, especially skin tones and DPAF. I don't think I would be looking for a Cine look for that.

I don’t even know who that Caleb guy is... I suppose I should? But it is isn’t rocket science... he never needed a Red. Half the people buying the P4K, doesn’t need one and will be disappointed and I’ll happily buy it from them sometime next year... haha.

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27 minutes ago, austinchimp said:

I totally accept that the BMPCC4k image will be more robust and gradable with Prores and Raw than the images from my GH5, but overall - especially with viewing on Youtube and other streaming sites - there's not much between the cameras when it comes to the final product, as long as you know what you're doing.

The Blackmagic colour science is lovely, and much better than the native colour from the GH5 or Sony A7III, but those two can be graded to have a good look too. I've been playing with @Sage's GHa luts and that give the Panasonic a nice feel, and for me, Feel was always the thing that brought me to Blackmagic cameras.

Perhaps it's because when the original Pocket came out the look and feel was so far away from any other small camera, while now it seems to be more of a level playing field.

 

 

I have the same expectation that the image will look different compared to the GH5 or A7III, like a BMPCC 4K version than can be compared to the Ursa or Alexa mini lol. But if you factor the lower price,  I realized you can get the same quality of shots with the P4k vs the GH5/GH5s  and Sonys and have some more money to spend. I guess I just got my expectations too high since I love the old BMPCC look

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It shouldn't be overlooked as a big pro that the Pocket 4K is a video/cine dedicated camera. Honestly, when using a GH5 I'm bothered by all the photo menus and controls I won't ever need to use.

The P4K has got nice, beefy connections, a good menu and just the necessary buttons, I'm certainly will be more confident operating it than any hybrid camera.

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8 hours ago, Mattias Burling said:

I still find it funny that reviewers of the old BMPCC pulled out the word "pocket" and pretended it belong with the RX100x. 
IMO, its a Cinema camera. A pocket sized cinema camera. No matter how much you say that lenses, batteries etc makes it bigger.
That does not take away the fact that this is a cinema camera. A pocket sized cinema camera.

THIS!

Why even spend energy on complaining over that it doesn't fit in your pocket, who wants to put a camera in your god damned literal pocket, I barely put my cell phone in my pocket!

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2 minutes ago, seanzzxx said:

Do you think the top four videos in this gallery could be? Aside from maybe the 'Color of Light' one. Genuinely asking.

 

https://www.blackmagicdesign.com/products/blackmagicpocketcinemacamera/gallery

I didn't like the narration to 'The Color of Light' but I thought it looked great. You didn't like it? There's some nice stuff out already from the camera. Can't wait until everyone has theirs.

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4 hours ago, webrunner5 said:

I think a Red camera is about the last camera in the world I would use for taking video of people being interviewed. That is Canon Cine territory, especially skin tones and DPAF. I don't think I would be looking for a Cine look for that.

 

This is a two-camera shoot, but anyhow... skin tones look great to me. And Parker’s focusing manually. 

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1 hour ago, Andrew Reid said:

Nice. But could have been shot on any modern cam over $1000.

Well yeah, I think there's some expectation about what the P4k should be, especially from the people I know who has/had a BMPCC

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19 minutes ago, jonpais said:

The color in the Fabrizio & Omayra video is simply gorgeous and the dynamic range is very impressive. 

Yeah they really showcased some amazing footages. I also admire the filmmakers for being brave enough to shoot with the Sigma 18-35 under snowy conditions and on the other one at the beach where salt water and sand can possibly get into it

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I think most of these newer cameras have got auto WB, auto Exposure down to a tee anymore. So most stuff is coming out popularly exposed. And heck they have more DR now than ever. So in essence it is getting harder to screw stuff up unless you goof up, are in a pretty terrible situation. Even these new Logs, C Log, N Log, F Log are not a crazy Log like say Sony S Log 3 is. So they are more forgiving, for most stuff,  most people shoot. And NLE's have gotten better also. More auto correction stuff available. So it is just easier to get it right, right in camera. Is it as good as it can be, well no. But good enough for most viewers.

People with great editing, grading, coloring skills are Always going to shine on their output. But the gap is getting narrower every year, and the camera gap narrows also.. You could really take some of these new mirrorless cameras and put the guts in a normal Cine body and no one would be the wiser. They are getting that good.

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6 hours ago, Deadcode said:

The dynamic range is impressive. This shot is waaaaay underexposed and still "just" ProRes. But it can be lifted easily1970079173_Kepernyofoto2018-10-11-15_40_20.thumb.png.5bad6768c0f273424dbe6222a9d0c0f6.png

 

No many other cameras put that output right there... Any takers? ; -)

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The problem with tests like these is they may as well be a review of the tester's grading skills.

Ever since RAW and LOG first came out we have had the same issue - are we watching badly graded footage or is the camera to blame?

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40 minutes ago, MurtlandPhoto said:

The best IQ comparison I've seen yet.

Great comparison and really shows the lovely images the Pocket4k produces and what I'm seeing with mine. Much richer images compared to the GH5.

Secondly,  and what I've been saying all along is that a camera only produces a certain percentage of the 'cinematic look' everyone is so hung up on. Most people who want 'cinematic' here, also want autofocus and IBIS but neither of these features lend themselves to 'cinematic' qualities.  IBIS only does so much and you still get a small amount of jitter here and there. Same as AF, it's never perfect with electronic SLR lenses and nothing screams SLR more than small amounts of jitter in the lens or movement of the camera. If you want 'cinematic' with the Pocket4K or any mirrorless camera really, you need to rig them. Being on a Gimbal, a Tripod, a Slider, a good shoulder rig etc. 

You can always rig the Pocket to get great steady shots, can you improve the GH5 to get the same DR, colour response and flexibility in post?

14 minutes ago, Andrew Reid said:

The problem with tests like these is they may as well be a review of the tester's grading skills.

Ever since RAW and LOG first came out we have had the same issue - are we watching badly graded footage or is the camera to blame?

So why don't you do a comparison and show them all how it's done?

The same person would have graded the shots in that video. If they are amateurs , this shows that the Pocket 4K was easier to grade for an amateur. Not a bad thing?

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