mercer Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 I've been working with some of the new color tools in FCPX while practicing color grading and trying to lock down a look for my short film. So, I figured we haven't had one of these threads in a while... why not see what others might do with it. Background: 5D Mark III with a modified Canon FD 50mm f/1.4 lens, shot wide open at ISO 100 with a variable ND. I processed the footage through Resolve to ProRes as BMDFilm. And here's a tiff file of the uncorrected/ungraded shot... Marina Foreground UnGraded.tiff And while I'm at it, I'm hoping to get some advice... I have searched and searched online for an answer but I can't find what I'm looking for... So I edit with a MacBook Air. I calibrated the monitor to Rec709 using the computer's settings. I know I should get a real calibration tool, even though i don't even know if it would work with a MacBook Air? But I am finding that my images look decent in FCPX and on my laptop when I export the frame, but whenever I upload the file online, there's a discrepancy... mostly with contrast (the image gets darker) Now in FCPX, it states that it exports as Rec709, and I assume it should be sRGB for the web? I end up spending a bunch of time lightening the original file just to get the same representation I was seeing in FCPX... but even then it never looks the same. Any ideas? Pointers? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stathman Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 Hi! If i understand correctly, you are saying that there is a difference between the exported frame you upload and the one you see in FCPX. I imported the ungraded tiff in FCPX and the image i see inside the program is identical to the one i see on my browser (safari). Can you share the graded tiff also, to compare? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mercer Posted February 20, 2018 Author Share Posted February 20, 2018 @Stathman yes that is what I mean. I have to raise the midtones a ton to get the uploaded graded jpeg to look the way it looks in FCPX. I reverted it back to the original, but here is the tiff file and the jpeg if I were to leave it how I like it in FCPX... But to be honest, I don't love any of these grades any way... just messing around with the image. Marina Foreground Graded.tiff And here's a screenshot of the image in FCPX... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stathman Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 I tried to reproduce the issue with no success. The image i see in FCPX is identical with the one i see in Safari. But i did realise this. The uploaded image is completely different when it is small. it's like you described it. Darker with more contrast maybe? When you click on it, it's ok. Don't know why though... mercer 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mercer Posted February 20, 2018 Author Share Posted February 20, 2018 @Stathman ... you're right... it is. Hmm. Anyway thanks. Stathman 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stathman Posted February 21, 2018 Share Posted February 21, 2018 @mercer I played a little with your file... Better click on it I think i prefer the first one. Kisaha and mercer 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mercer Posted February 21, 2018 Author Share Posted February 21, 2018 @Stathman they look cool. I think I’d like a mix between the 1st and 2nd one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kye Posted February 21, 2018 Share Posted February 21, 2018 Surely if we were to attempt a grade, it would be helpful to know what kind of movie it is? Rom-com vs psychological thriller might attract a different look surely! EthanAlexander 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stathman Posted February 21, 2018 Share Posted February 21, 2018 @kye This is what i was thinking also. I don't know nothing about the movie, story, scene etc. Don't have a clue what feelings wanted to be expressed on this scene. I was just playing... @mercer The 1st one is warmer and the 2nd is cooler. Combine them and you are at point 0 again. Just kidding Lovely frame btw. And what about this bokeh! mercer 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mercer Posted February 21, 2018 Author Share Posted February 21, 2018 30 minutes ago, kye said: Surely if we were to attempt a grade, it would be helpful to know what kind of movie it is? Rom-com vs psychological thriller might attract a different look surely! Good point... it’s a supernatural thriller. Although I’d love to see your Rom-Com interpretation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Romero 2 Posted February 21, 2018 Share Posted February 21, 2018 I like the lift of the shadows on the third one by @Stathman Might not be brooding enough though... somebody remind me where the "Pensive" slider in resolve is again... 34 minutes ago, kye said: Surely if we were to attempt a grade, it would be helpful to know what kind of movie it is? Rom-com vs psychological thriller might attract a different look surely! 3 minutes ago, mercer said: Good point... it’s a supernatural thriller. Although I’d love to see your Rom-Com interpretation. Just pointing out you missed the perfect opportunity to write, "And stop calling me Shirley!" kye and mercer 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mercer Posted February 21, 2018 Author Share Posted February 21, 2018 30 minutes ago, Stathman said: @kye This is what i was thinking also. I don't know nothing about the movie, story, scene etc. Don't have a clue what feelings wanted to be expressed on this scene. I was just playing... @mercer The 1st one is warmer and the 2nd is cooler. Combine them and you are at point 0 again. Just kidding Lovely frame btw. And what about this bokeh! Haha, I like the cooler background, but I like your skin tone better than mine. Thanks, this FD lens is kind of annoying me... I’ve had some shots turn out great with it and others... meh. But it’s so cool to have an FD lens on an EF camera. I was surprised to see well well it matches EF lenses... not as sharp but the same color tonality. Here’s a couple more screen grabs from this lens and ML Raw... PannySVHS 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EthanAlexander Posted February 21, 2018 Share Posted February 21, 2018 I've had a bad headache tonight and messing around with this provided some nice distraction Glenn so thanks. In no particular order we have- The quarter pounder with cheese: Didley Scott: Let's kick some ice: My only attempt at subtle: Mr Anderson: Aaaaand finally, "Michael get-out-of-my-edit Bay" mercer, PannySVHS and Mark Romero 2 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mercer Posted February 21, 2018 Author Share Posted February 21, 2018 @EthanAlexander those are great. I like Let’s Kick Some Ice the best. But Didley Scott is the best name. EthanAlexander 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
webrunner5 Posted February 21, 2018 Share Posted February 21, 2018 Sorry to spoil the party, but I don't like Any of the grades! Don't have my Apple Laptop here so... They all look thin and brittle, lifeless. I don't know if it is the lens Glenn but your earlier grabs looked a whole lot better? mercer 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoff CB Posted February 21, 2018 Share Posted February 21, 2018 My attempt, It's what I would have for a thriller. Resolve: Basic Correction with dropped mids -> Resolve's Rec 709 fuji LUT at 25% -> Color and sharpening to face. mercer, Stathman and Gregormannschaft 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mercer Posted February 21, 2018 Author Share Posted February 21, 2018 Not spoiling anything, I asked for other attempts because I didn’t like what I was getting. But yeah, I think it’s flawed... maybe the lens... maybe because I exported the files out of Resolve as ProResLT... I don’t know. @webrunner5 4 minutes ago, Geoff CB said: My attempt, It's what I would have for a thriller. Resolve: Basic Correction with dropped mids -> Resolve's Rec 709 fuji LUT at 25% -> Color and sharpening to face. You have the winner so far... so did you mask out the face and add sharpening? Man I need to read a book on color correction/grading or take a workshop or something... I’ve been tinkering for far too long now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
webrunner5 Posted February 21, 2018 Share Posted February 21, 2018 Yeah I like the coloring Geoff CB did, but it looks Too 3D ish. Too stark. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mercer Posted February 21, 2018 Author Share Posted February 21, 2018 3 minutes ago, webrunner5 said: Yeah I like the coloring Geoff CB did, but it looks Too 3D ish. Too stark. Give it a go, see what you can come up with. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
webrunner5 Posted February 21, 2018 Share Posted February 21, 2018 Well no Adobe anything. Hell it looks like your top one LoL. But it isn't. Yeah it is a bit better I guess. It is just a JPEG. PannySVHS 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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