Matthew Hartman Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 1 minute ago, Axel said: That's a good approach! With limited resources, one is forced to concentrate. Whenever I see someone take photos in burst mode, I think he/she hasn't understood the first thing about photography. But that's just me. Applicable to video as well. Imagine you have an expensive roll of film in your camera, just a few minutes. Imagine you could not immediately check the recording. Wouldn't this sharpen your senses? It would make you more self aware of the process for sure. But is also adds a deep sense of anxiety because you know that roll of film is expensive and unforgiving and you have one chance to nail it. I started out in celluloid film. I'm not one of these guys that holds any nostalgia for the format because I remember that sense of pressure and anxiety to nail it or be very unpopular with the people around you. There's a sense of artistic freedom (but with it comes laziness) that digital gives you. Freedom from the stress of failure. Digital makes it okay to fail. Failure is a huge part of growth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anonim Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 Nice theme, I think. Simply, I need a more complex language to express - or, better, striving to express - more complex thoughts and feelings. To be honest, I don't think that photography could be (for Westernian type of mind) in all extensity - repeat: in all extensity - form of art as great literature or classic music. Yes, it has precious dignity of skills and taste and knowledge. Yes there are great photo testaments of compassion and capability to extricate significant moment from banality - and as so, help to better experience the world. (And yes, I little disagree with Susan Sonthag and agree with Walter Benjamin.) Maybe it is similar to haiku poetry. But it is impossible to express - or, better - to completely involve, as sort of full-senses initiation, other man in haiku as in, say, Beethoven's Eroica. Further thinking, it seems to me that photography maybe is much more closer to sort of feeling/thinking/expression of Eastern mind? There always existed that wonderful feeling for moment, for profound non-ego encounter with mistery of nature and existence. Western greek/judeochristian civillization and state of mind always relayed on inner and outer drama, complexity, struggle, personality - and its picks of art and distinctive philosophy are such that can embrace world of turmoil complexity, as in Servantes, Goya, Shakespeare, Dostoyevski, Beethoven-to-Mahler/Shostakovich symphonies... Probably that's the reason why I'm longing for video/movie as language, greatly respecting type of mind and spirit that stay behind profound photography masters. jonpais, Chrad and Jimbo 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Hartman Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 7 minutes ago, anonim said: Nice theme, I think. Simply, I need a more complex language to express - or, better, striving to express - more complex thoughts and feelings. To be honest, I don't think that photography could be (for Westernian type of mind) in all extensity - repeat: in all extensity - form of art as great literature or classic music. Yes, it has precious dignity of skills and taste and knowledge. Yes there are great photo testaments of compassion and capability to extricate significant moment from banality - and as so, help to better experienced world. (And yes, I little disagree with Susan Sonthag and agree with Walter Benjamin.) Maybe it is similar to haiku poetry. But it is impossible to express - or, better - to completely involve, as sort of full-senses initiation, other man in haiku as in, say, Beethoven's Eroica. Further thinking, it seems to me that photography maybe is much more closer to sort of feeling/thinking/expression to Eastern mind? There always existed that wonderful feeling for moment, for profound non-ego encounter with mistery of nature and existence. Western greek/judeochristian civillization and state of mind always relayed on inner and outer drama, complexity, struggle, personality - and its picks of art and distinctive philosophy are such that can embrace world of turmoil complexity, as in Shakespeare, Dostoyevski, Beethoven-to-Mahler/Shostakovich symphonies... Probably that's the reason why I'm longing for video/movie as language, greatly respecting type of mind and spirit that stay behind profound photography masters. When in doubt you can also just throw some more Emulation-Beutness at the problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anonim Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 @Matthew Hartman Maybe, we'll see... I'm slowly warming-up Jester with broken English BTW How nice is your surname - I immediately imagine of whom of to-me-dear creator are you descendant - the Nicolai Hartman, the Heinz Hartman, the Karl Amadeus Hartman... Matthew Hartman 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Hartman Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 9 minutes ago, anonim said: @Matthew Hartman Maybe, we'll see... I'm slowly warming-up Jester with broken English BTW How nice is your surname - I immediately imagine of whom of to-me-dear creator are you descendant - the Nicolai Hartman, the Heinz Hartman, the Karl Amadeus Hartman... It's a common German surname (I'm not German, I'm American) but part of my family is descended from south Germany, although on my father's side we've been living here in the States since colonial times. In fact we had some personal conflicts with Thomas Jefferson, as he tried to hang one of my great grandfathers for treason against the United States for his loyalty to the King of England. A lot of ppl don't know that during those times no one trusted anyone, and George Washington wasn't a trusted figure at all either. Also have relatives that fought in the civil war. We are related to Lisa Hartman, the wife of Clint Black. Sorry, a bit of a history buff. anonim 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zerocool22 Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 Yeah I know the feeling. I often make random video's and often think stills would be more creative. And whenever I am doing photoshoots, I like it a lot, because the set ups are faster. I only need 1 frame that is good instead of 100 good frames. On the other hand I feel like I need to shoot more video, as I want to be a film maker, and need to train my cinematography skills, and you always need a recent portfolio. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Members Mattias Burling Posted February 20, 2018 Author Super Members Share Posted February 20, 2018 Another huge reason that pushed me towards stills was also the ability to shoot film every single day without spending much money. Cinestill even makes Kodak Motion Picture very available for still shooters. Raw and Film in your bag at all times. And it also opens up the door to very affordable medium and even large format. It's intoxicating Damphousse, jonpais and zerocool22 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Sewell Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 4 minutes ago, Mattias Burling said: Another huge reason that pushed me towards stills was also the ability to shoot film every single day without spending much money. Cinestill even makes Kodak Motion Picture very available for still shooters. Raw and Film in your bag at all times. And it also opens up the door to very affordable medium and even large format. It's intoxicating We've got a company here in the UK called Nik & Trick who are marketing Vision 250D in 36 exposure rolls and have perfected low-volume remjet removal and processing (using RA4 chemicals, I understand). I'm eagerly awaiting the return of my first roll of photos taken on that. They sell the Eterna movie films for stills use as well. I look upon film photography now as having a bag full of different sensors - quite intoxicating, as you say. Now I must go and replace the seals on the Canonet QL19 that arrived yesterday (£40, perfect condition) so it's ready for my monthly trip to London on Friday. Speaking of stills - your Instagram account is one of the best I follow - keep it up! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zerocool22 Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 46 minutes ago, Mattias Burling said: Another huge reason that pushed me towards stills was also the ability to shoot film every single day without spending much money. Cinestill even makes Kodak Motion Picture very available for still shooters. Raw and Film in your bag at all times. And it also opens up the door to very affordable medium and even large format. It's intoxicating Haha yeah I have been doubting for 6 months for buying a vintage hasselblad. The downside is that I need to drive to a place to develop my photo's, as I cannot do it at home. There are scanners that are cheap, but I find the difference in quality too great to go cheap. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Members Mattias Burling Posted February 20, 2018 Author Super Members Share Posted February 20, 2018 1 hour ago, zerocool22 said: Haha yeah I have been doubting for 6 months for buying a vintage hasselblad. The downside is that I need to drive to a place to develop my photo's, as I cannot do it at home. There are scanners that are cheap, but I find the difference in quality too great to go cheap. Developing at home is very easy and cost effective. No darkroom required. And if you have a digital camera that shoots raw you can make DIY set-up that is just as goos as the best scanners out there. Most pro labs around here have switched to camera scanning. 2 hours ago, Tim Sewell said: We've got a company here in the UK called Nik & Trick who are marketing Vision 250D in 36 exposure rolls and have perfected low-volume remjet removal and processing (using RA4 chemicals, I understand). I'm eagerly awaiting the return of my first roll of photos taken on that. They sell the Eterna movie films for stills use as well. I look upon film photography now as having a bag full of different sensors - quite intoxicating, as you say. Now I must go and replace the seals on the Canonet QL19 that arrived yesterday (£40, perfect condition) so it's ready for my monthly trip to London on Friday. Speaking of stills - your Instagram account is one of the best I follow - keep it up! This is Kodak Vision 50D from Cinestill. I also have the medium format version but haven't used it yet. (Im glad you dig my IG) BenEricson 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Sewell Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 Fabulous! It's the out-of-focus areas, to my eye, that make analogue images so organic. I've never been able to get my digital files' to look like that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marcio Kabke Pinheiro Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 My involvement with movie / stills (even as an amateur till this day) is (I think) kind of interesting. I love music (more in the past - free time is shorter to enjoy it each day that passes), love to go to concerts, but...my memory is kind of weak, a lot of moments in concerts end being forgotten. Hence I had the idea to film parts of the concerts as a way to remember. It was a time that smartphones are the Samsung's with Tizen, Android did not even exist yet, and I bought a Kodak Zi8 - a little film camera, fixed lens, with 1080p (a rarity in those days). And started to record some shows. Soon I upgraded to a Sony HX9, much better quality and sound. And with it, tried to start to take some stills - and liked it. Than start to search for a camera that could make good movies and stills, Google mentioned a camera called GH2, I found a site called EOSHD, which owner made a video in Tokyo with that camera that blowns me away...and the rest is history. Video brought me the stills, and I love both. It gives you that kind of satisfaction from a thing that was created, and done, only by you, a sense of accomplishment. As I guy that likes art, it is the closest that I can get to it. But I think that my stills side in much better. All photos with m4/3 cameras, "which sucks for concerts, you need a full frame one". The second one was published in the Franz Ferdinand's Instagram account, good moment. Tim Sewell, jase, Kisaha and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BenEricson Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 9 hours ago, Axel said: Applicable to video as well. Imagine you have an expensive roll of film in your camera, just a few minutes. Imagine you could not immediately check the recording. Wouldn't this sharpen your senses? I completely agree. Limitations in general can be helpful in the creative process. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas Hill Posted February 21, 2018 Share Posted February 21, 2018 I've always been a bit envious of all of you who do such gorgeous videos while out wandering but I always think stills except when I'm either writing or shooting a script. I love trying to catch the right moment with a single click. Here are three of my favorites (out of the ones I have on flickr). First two are from a 2016 trip to Boston with the NX500 and the last one is from a while back with the Panasonic FZ28 at Venice Beach. Kisaha 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Romero 2 Posted February 21, 2018 Share Posted February 21, 2018 I am pretty envious of anyone talented enough to pull off casual stills or casual video (street shooting). Not something I have ever been particularly good at. jonpais 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arikhan Posted February 23, 2018 Share Posted February 23, 2018 On 20.2.2018 at 1:51 PM, Mattias Burling said: Another huge reason that pushed me towards stills was also the ability to shoot film every single day without spending much money. [...] And it also opens up the door to very affordable medium and even large format. It's intoxicating I'm shooting the Nikon F5 for months now - very intensively. My conclusion: IQ wise, nothing you could NOT get with a modern digital camera. It's more the pleasure and the hype than rational reasons - at least when speaking of APSC / FF. And it's about deceleration of a photographers work. Putting reflection, lighting and composition in the center of our work. At least in my eyes... "Discovery" and promotion of an alleged outdated technique is common nowadays, as people are oversaturated and bored with permanent new camera releases and latest specs and bells & whistles. So - in my eyes and experience - a nice entertainment claiming "mojo of old film". The truth is, there is no special mojo when it comes to image output of film photography. Nothing a skilled person could not do quite fast when post processing digital images. For myself, I'll put my F5 back in the shelf and spend my time on keeping improving my Photoshop skills, when it comes to making and post processing photographs. And I am not the only one coming to this conclusion: https://petapixel.com/2018/02/22/film-vs-digital-can-tell-difference/ Thanks for sharing your thoughts! jonpais 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Sewell Posted February 23, 2018 Share Posted February 23, 2018 Quote My conclusion: IQ wise, nothing you could NOT get with a modern digital camera. Depends on the film stock. Some films I've been using recently would be quite hard to replicate digitally. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arikhan Posted February 23, 2018 Share Posted February 23, 2018 @Tim Sewell That's a legend. I know extremely skilled people, capable to digitally replicate everything you want. No exception. And in no time. (for photography) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Members Mattias Burling Posted February 23, 2018 Author Super Members Share Posted February 23, 2018 In my experience its not true. No matter the skill you will never mimic film. It can kinda look like it but its not cost effective to spend all that time and money, imo. jonpais and Tim Sewell 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Sewell Posted February 23, 2018 Share Posted February 23, 2018 The thing is, by shooting on film I don't need to be 'extremely skilled' or spend any time at all to get the look I want. Plus I get all the fun of developing my own films, with the artisinal satisfaction that it gives me. I wouldn't use film for most paid jobs, I hasten to add - my cameras are old and cheap and I wouldn't want to rely on them if I absolutely have to get the shot. But for personal work I'm finding that 7 times out of 10 I'm plumping for analogue. And, as Mattias says, and as I mentioned previously WRT one of his images - there's a particular quality, especially to out-of-focus areas, that film gives that I have never, ever, seen fully mimicked digitally. I've seen lots of digital files that look like analogue, but I've got lots of analogue images that could be nothing else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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