Fritz Pierre Posted November 4, 2017 Share Posted November 4, 2017 Mercifully those were the pre-forum days☺️☺️I remember clearly getting new speakers and the 2 days later hating how they sounded...on many occasions....mercifully I got to wallow in my misery in isolation!...it was a time that taught me valuable lessons though, that serve me well today with my film gear "problem"...luckily mine is a "lens problem"!!!....I'm very happy with the cameras I buy and also with Panasonic!...both in terms of their products they put out, but possibly more importantly, who they are as a company...and how they respond to feedback from their customers. Voting with one's wallet is one of the few ways consumers can excerpt some power. jonpais 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonpais Posted November 4, 2017 Share Posted November 4, 2017 @Fritz Pierre So would say it’s a more valuable use of time actually shooting with your new camera rather than posting complaints every week in six different forums about what Panasonic didn’t get right, or about ‘missing’ features you knew it didn’t have in the first place? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vesku Posted November 4, 2017 Author Share Posted November 4, 2017 I made many tests today. My final conclusion: All-i is better with complex motion. A surprise is that ipb is little bit better in static scene. It compresses the important i-frame less. The difference is very small. Motion difference is bigger but still quite marginal. A static comparison first and moving second (red). I hope this site dont re-compress my images. Don Kotlos 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomekk Posted November 4, 2017 Share Posted November 4, 2017 hehe, the ultimate pixel peepers' thread. You guys are crazy ! So to see a difference you have to actually stop moving image, take one frame out, zoom said frame to 400% and on top of it draw an arrow pointing towards the difference because it's hardly to see it otherwise. It's a great exercise and I appreciate your findings but do you think this difference is going to make you more money or make you stand out from others? In my opinion thanks to your test I learned a valuable lesson. For my clients, I'm happy to use IPB and save space. dbp, fuzzynormal and jonpais 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Kotlos Posted November 4, 2017 Share Posted November 4, 2017 I just noticed that EVA1 is in VBR and I am trying to figure out whether the ALL-I is in VBR. @Vesku can you check the actual bitrate on the static vs moving scenes in both IPB & All-I? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vesku Posted November 4, 2017 Author Share Posted November 4, 2017 8 minutes ago, Don Kotlos said: I just noticed that EVA1 is in VBR and I am trying to figure out whether the ALL-I is in VBR. @Vesku can you check the actual bitrate on the static vs moving scenes in both IPB & All-I? GH5 all-i is pretty constant 400Mbs static or moving. 150Mbs is also quite constant 150Mbs although it is variable about 145-155 Mbs. I remember GH3 all-i was very variable and seldom reached its maximum. Don Kotlos 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vesku Posted November 6, 2017 Author Share Posted November 6, 2017 7 hours ago, Jn- said: Wolfcrow's latest video, GH5 v2.1 review, see about 13 minutes in where he addresses some of these issues. https://wolfcrow.com/ He praises 400Mbs but he dont see that 150Mbs ipb is actually better in static scene. It is like high quality JPG vs medium quality JPG. In motion it is backwards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
srgkonev Posted November 6, 2017 Share Posted November 6, 2017 Does it have any sense at all to shoot ALL-I if you deliver via youtube and vimeo? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vesku Posted November 6, 2017 Author Share Posted November 6, 2017 1 hour ago, srgkonev said: Does it have any sense at all to shoot ALL-I if you deliver via youtube and vimeo? Yes if your video contains 400% enlargements of stopped frames of complex motion Editing should be easier but the management of large files can eat that benefit out. srgkonev and jonpais 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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