Ilia3101 Posted January 11, 2020 Share Posted January 11, 2020 On 1/10/2020 at 12:49 AM, ZEEK said: Awesome Mercer! The 5D3 is such a great cam even in 2020! I have the 5D2 and the 14 bit raw amazes me still, especially with the Samyang Primes. 14 Bit RAW I also feel is better than the lossless. The lossless feels like a .png and 14 Bit feels like full raw with more colours to play around with and more detailed too, considering you're getting more bit rate mb/s. Some people can't tell the difference, but I can feel it when I grade and am sure you can too. Please make a comparison of 14 bit lossless and 14 bit uncompressed. Lossless means exactly what it does, if you compress and decompress an image with it, the result will be identical, byte for byte, not just visually. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZEEK Posted January 11, 2020 Share Posted January 11, 2020 2 hours ago, Ilia3101 said: Please make a comparison of 14 bit lossless and 14 bit uncompressed. Lossless means exactly what it does, if you compress and decompress an image with it, the result will be identical, byte for byte, not just visually. I have done my own tests and will continue to do so. I personally feel the colour reproduction is slightly less degraded in the uncompressed and for the 14-bit RAW footage, in particular skin tones. There probably isn't a difference except in file size, but I like to push my grading in my spare time and just feel something different with the Uncompressed. Whi knowa i may be wrong, but I'll continue to grade lossless and uncompressed just for my own sanity sake and see. Cheers ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plucas Posted January 11, 2020 Share Posted January 11, 2020 Lossless means what it says but just because something is called "lossless" doesn't in fact make it so. Mercer and Seek have used ML cameras as daily drivers or, if not, extensively, so there's probably something to the difference. A test would be good, nonetheless. I have a 5Diii and wouldn't mind testing out the difference and sharing the results here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cameraeye Posted January 12, 2020 Share Posted January 12, 2020 On 1/10/2020 at 5:24 PM, mercer said: I probably need to be happy with what I have, put my head down and get some work done. I feel the same. So many capable cameras out now and then the 1Dx III on the horizon but 1080 RAW on the 5d III is so good that I just want more cinema lenses and to make more films. mercer and Castigador 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ilia3101 Posted January 21, 2020 Share Posted January 21, 2020 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lossless_compression I only wish magic lantern could use a lossy algorithm, we'd be able to get compression ratios over 3x. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ngemu Posted February 10, 2020 Share Posted February 10, 2020 Please let me know if anyone is selling a mosaic engineering filter. Looking for anything that is meant for aps-c, not full frame. Thank you! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freakquenzy Posted February 20, 2020 Share Posted February 20, 2020 hope i can also contribute to how awesome the eos m in 2.5K 3x crop is "Wissenschaftshafen" ML RAW 12bit recorded at 2520 x 1054 in 3x Crop Mode upscaled to 4096 x 1716 23,976 fps export in MLV App with fixed dots etc. edit in Davinci Resolve grade in Davinci Resolve and FilmConvert Nitrate Film Stock Fuji Velvia 100 ngemu, LOM and mercer 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trek of Joy Posted February 21, 2020 Share Posted February 21, 2020 On 1/10/2020 at 1:32 AM, ZEEK said: Honestly, you don't need an upgrade, maybe just a 4K side camera to fill that need. I have the GH5 as a 4K sidekick, but I now appreciate the Magic Lantern cameras more. They're better for my main needs, the gh5 is just for backup 4K if I ever need it. I have had pretty much all. 12, 14, 24, 35, 50 & 85 (never owned the 135mm although it looks nice). Now I just own the 35 & 50mm. Both great companions to the 5Dii and extremely sharp. They grade like Hollywood lens ? The 24mm was very nice, but the 24mm and the 85mm just feel like speciality lenses to use in certain situations which is why I sold them as I don't use them often. For landscapes and closeups, they're perfect! Might consider the 85mm again. I love both the 5D and the EOS M. The 5D is overall better with low light and dynamic range. The dynamic range gives the 5D2 a high end camera feel. Without an ND on a bright day, I'd have to stop the EOS M to about F22, with the 5D2 it's like F11. I love crop sensor cameras as well as the portability. The 5D2 I feel overall provides a more detailed and visually pleasing cinematic look. Really love it, won't give it away. With dual iso, it has 14 stops of DR, just need to get the settings working. Pentax K lenses also go well with the Canon Full Frame if you file the back correctly. Here is the latest eos m film I did, not sure if you've seen it, but it's probably the best work in terms of colour I have pushed on the EOS m: I use both the 5D2 & EOS M equally as much. That's beautiful, this thread has peaked my interest in tinkering with a 5d 2/3 and ML raw to shoot my beach sunset stuff. I just don't want to pull the trigger on a cinema camera yet (mostly because I'll need more than just cards to make one work) and I have access to EF lenses. Searching for a cheap 5d now... Chris mercer 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mercer Posted February 21, 2020 Share Posted February 21, 2020 49 minutes ago, Trek of Joy said: That's beautiful, this thread has peaked my interest in tinkering with a 5d 2/3 and ML raw to shoot my beach sunset stuff. I just don't want to pull the trigger on a cinema camera yet (mostly because I'll need more than just cards to make one work) and I have access to EF lenses. Searching for a cheap 5d now... Chris If you can afford it, I recommend getting the Mark III for full 1080p, the ability to keep the firmware constantly on an SD card while you record on CF cards, the OLPF Filter, etc... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trek of Joy Posted February 21, 2020 Share Posted February 21, 2020 2 hours ago, mercer said: If you can afford it, I recommend getting the Mark III for full 1080p, the ability to keep the firmware constantly on an SD card while you record on CF cards, the OLPF Filter, etc... Thanks, I can so that's the direction I'll go. Chris mercer 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cameraeye Posted February 25, 2020 Share Posted February 25, 2020 @Trek of Joy it's worth it. There's also something about it that reminds me of shooting still photos on celluloid. The high quality and fact that when you unpack each clip its just thousands of raw images. Grading with it is a dream coming from a stills background. Makes me only ever want a RAW cinema camera in the future. mercer, Castigador, Trek of Joy and 1 other 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZEEK Posted February 27, 2020 Share Posted February 27, 2020 Yep, the 5D2's are so cheap these days, I can get 3 at around $400-550 locally. I got mine for $500. But honestly, I believe the 5D3 is worth every penny if you are going to be a dedicated ML User, or want the most reliable RAW recording. Get yourself some Nikkor lenses and enjoy pushing those colours around...😎👍 I love my A7rii 4K to bits, but prefer the look and colours of my EOS M or 5D2 with ML Raw more. Trek of Joy and Emanuel 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devon Posted May 8, 2020 Share Posted May 8, 2020 On the 5DMKIII, Is RAW using the full width of the sensor? I can get 1920x1280 12bit continuous RAW/.MLV with sound (using the experimental 10/12-bit RAW video "magiclantern-raw\_video\_10bit\_12bit.2019Mar24.5D3123" build. NOT Crop_rec build.) That said, on my 5DmkIII, it’s getting the full width of the sensor (I believe? Yes?). Is it pixel binning/skipping to get the full width? Or is it super sampling the whole sensor? Also, with the "mlv\_snd" module, do I still get sound if I’m doing a FPS override at an even 24.00fps? (FPS override says that it disables sound.) Thanks all! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kye Posted May 9, 2020 Share Posted May 9, 2020 13 hours ago, Devon said: On the 5DMKIII, Is RAW using the full width of the sensor? I can get 1920x1280 12bit continuous RAW/.MLV with sound (using the experimental 10/12-bit RAW video "magiclantern-raw\_video\_10bit\_12bit.2019Mar24.5D3123" build. NOT Crop_rec build.) That said, on my 5DmkIII, it’s getting the full width of the sensor (I believe? Yes?). Is it pixel binning/skipping to get the full width? Or is it super sampling the whole sensor? Also, with the "mlv\_snd" module, do I still get sound if I’m doing a FPS override at an even 24.00fps? (FPS override says that it disables sound.) Thanks all! Why not put it on a tripod and shoot a test clip and then take a RAW still image and then compare? Devon 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devon Posted May 9, 2020 Share Posted May 9, 2020 5 hours ago, kye said: Why not put it on a tripod and shoot a test clip and then take a RAW still image and then compare? I did! Looks like it is. But how is it achieving that? Is it line skipping, pixel binning, or super sampling? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZEEK Posted February 7, 2021 Share Posted February 7, 2021 Just posted my latest Video with the EOS M & 2.8K Raw. Truly remarkable what this camera still can do. Tried to emulate the Super 16 look although I mainly used Canon L Glass. https://youtu.be/ohDS3ErANOs - - Gear Used- - *Camera - EOS M (Original w/ ML) *Lens - Canon 17-40 F/4 | Canon 24-70 f/4 | Canon 35 F/1.4 *Tripod - - Settings - - *2.8K RAW 2800x1190 [2.35:1] * 23.98 FPS, 1/48, WB 5200, ISO 100 - - Editing - - *All graded in MLV App (ALEXA LOG C Profile w/ Creative Adjustments enabled, Exported Prores 4444 * Finishing touch in FCPX 8K Timeline & Export (LOL), added little saturation and exposure adjusted, No sharpening at all. cameraeye, PannySVHS, greenscreen and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cameraeye Posted February 14, 2021 Share Posted February 14, 2021 On 2/7/2021 at 6:37 PM, ZEEK said: Just posted my latest Video with the EOS M & 2.8K Raw. Truly remarkable what this camera still can do. Tried to emulate the Super 16 look although I mainly used Canon L Glass. https://youtu.be/ohDS3ErANOs - - Gear Used- - *Camera - EOS M (Original w/ ML) *Lens - Canon 17-40 F/4 | Canon 24-70 f/4 | Canon 35 F/1.4 *Tripod - - Settings - - *2.8K RAW 2800x1190 [2.35:1] * 23.98 FPS, 1/48, WB 5200, ISO 100 - - Editing - - *All graded in MLV App (ALEXA LOG C Profile w/ Creative Adjustments enabled, Exported Prores 4444 * Finishing touch in FCPX 8K Timeline & Export (LOL), added little saturation and exposure adjusted, No sharpening at all. I just love how every pixel on ML Raw bursts with life/filmic look. What kind of monitoring do you get on the M in 2.8k? Is it the normal canon quality or the low frame rate ML. Nice film! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZEEK Posted February 15, 2021 Share Posted February 15, 2021 On 2/14/2021 at 6:49 PM, cameraeye said: I just love how every pixel on ML Raw bursts with life/filmic look. What kind of monitoring do you get on the M in 2.8k? Is it the normal canon quality or the low frame rate ML. Nice film! Yeah, the colours are always gorgeous with ML thanks to the bit depth and colour science. I get a cropped real-time display in Live View, then I press the 'info' button to show me a grey scaled live view (low fps) of the actual raw framing. Then I go back to real-time and click record. I'm so used to it these days haha 🤣🎥 greenscreen and cameraeye 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenney Posted March 8, 2021 Share Posted March 8, 2021 Zeek, Beautiful work. You mention that when you shoot 2.8K you use the cropped Live View during recording, after you've framed. So, does that mean you are kind of guessing where the framing is during recordings with camera movement? Doesn't this get a bit tricky? Do you find this method easier to compose than using the low fps framing view? Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZEEK Posted March 12, 2021 Share Posted March 12, 2021 On 3/8/2021 at 5:33 PM, Kenney said: Zeek, Beautiful work. You mention that when you shoot 2.8K you use the cropped Live View during recording, after you've framed. So, does that mean you are kind of guessing where the framing is during recordings with camera movement? Doesn't this get a bit tricky? Do you find this method easier to compose than using the low fps framing view? Thanks When you click record you can still switch between the two Famings so it's no issue. Once you get the hang of it it comes natural. A really good lens for these modes is the Canon 10-18mm. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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