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Canon 77D, the perfect Magic Lantern camera?


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Is that a serious question?

If a digital IS system requires, say, a 5% crop to work it's magic... That is very inconsequential on an s35 sensor... your fast lenses will still be fast, your wide lenses will still be wide. The smaller the sensor, the bigger impact it will have on your glass.

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No shit.... But you were talking about the XC10, a fixed lens. Even if you do insist on bringing the G85 into a conversation about magic lantern cameras. There are not infinite combinations of lenses that mean you can ALWAYS match the focal length and F stop of one crop to another crop. Considering the vast array of lenses that could go onto the D77, a 5% crop would make very little difference.

This becomes especially relevant when talking about lenses that could utilise the AF system of both cameras.

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"No" what? :grin:

The XC10 does a great job of combining software stablisation and DPAF... Add raw and a large sensor and it could be beautiful. Especially for under $1000. Hopefully the ML guys can think outside the box more than the people on here.

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Yeah if the ML team has the inclination, and it's possible, the 77D could be a great option for low cost, handheld ML Raw. 

The software based IS in the XC10 is the best IS I have ever used. It's better than the IBIS in the a6500 and the GX85... no question. 

Other than a strap I was pulling taut, there was no other physical stabilization. During this shot(s) I walked forward backward and shuffled sideways... try and do that with a Panny...

 

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46 minutes ago, Jimmy said:

"No" what? :grin:

The XC10 does a great job of combining software stablisation and DPAF... Add raw and a large sensor and it could be beautiful. Especially for under $1000. Hopefully the ML guys can think outside the box more than the people on here.

If the stabilization is Software I don't think it will be Applied to undebayered Data because normally it implies rotation,etc. Maybe they could write the Data from the giroscope to a file and use that for a Software stabilizer on the Computer. But those are many Maybes.

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17 hours ago, mercer said:

Yeah if the ML team has the inclination, and it's possible, the 77D could be a great option for low cost, handheld ML Raw. 

The software based IS in the XC10 is the best IS I have ever used. It's better than the IBIS in the a6500 and the GX85... no question. 

Other than a strap I was pulling taut, there was no other physical stabilization. During this shot(s) I walked forward backward and shuffled sideways... try and do that with a Panny...

 

Egads. This is a great video to show why EIS is terrible for movement. You've got motion blur galore (from excessive camera shake) and yet the software has aggressively locked off the frame. It looks completely unnatural and the human brain can pick it out without any knowledge of why it looks "wrong".

You should read up on some technical papers on how OIS works. The TLDR implementation of most manufacturers is that it offers 1-2° of correction, which means you have to keep the lenses pointed in the same angle while capturing video. Even excessive handshake will cause the OIS to hunt and create that ping-pong effect you see from most people who complain about OIS not working.

This shit ain't magic. At the end of the day it's using data from a gyro and some code to predict what should be happening. Plop a clueless human into the equation and you end up with...

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2 hours ago, andrgl said:

Egads. This is a great video to show why EIS is terrible for movement. You've got motion blur galore (from excessive camera shake) and yet the software has aggressively locked off the frame. It looks completely unnatural and the human brain can pick it out without any knowledge of why it looks "wrong".

You should read up on some technical papers on how OIS works. The TLDR implementation of most manufacturers is that it offers 1-2° of correction, which means you have to keep the lenses pointed in the same angle while capturing video. Even excessive handshake will cause the OIS to hunt and create that ping-pong effect you see from most people who complain about OIS not working.

This shit ain't magic. At the end of the day it's using data from a gyro and some code to predict what should be happening. Plop a clueless human into the equation and you end up with...

Yeah obviously no in camera stabilization, software or hardware based is made for drastic movements... or any movement really. 

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