webrunner5 Posted January 24, 2017 Share Posted January 24, 2017 Not sure this has been posted before. DR better, looks like low light even worse on high end. https://***URL removed***/forums/thread/4108345 I would guess Panasonic GH5 will be close to it sensor, specs wise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoodlum Posted January 24, 2017 Share Posted January 24, 2017 It looks like Panasonic may have implemented the sensor differently and has focused more on high ISO instead of DR. https://fstoppers.com/originals/everything-you-might-not-know-about-gh5-162773 "the native ISO is 400. It was confirmed that by going down to ISO 200 you’ll lose about a stop of dynamic range since it’s an extended ISO." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
webrunner5 Posted January 24, 2017 Author Share Posted January 24, 2017 9 hours ago, hoodlum said: It looks like Panasonic may have implemented the sensor differently and has focused more on high ISO instead of DR. https://fstoppers.com/originals/everything-you-might-not-know-about-gh5-162773 "the native ISO is 400. It was confirmed that by going down to ISO 200 you’ll lose about a stop of dynamic range since it’s an extended ISO." It looks like in the comments he was wrong. 200 is the base, 400 might be base when using V Log. I think they are the very same sensor. They could not have afforded to develop 2 of them. But we will find out soon enough. jonpais 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kisaha Posted January 24, 2017 Share Posted January 24, 2017 What sensor the GH5 will use? All the latest m4/3(and not only those) sensors are Sony ones, the new (last years) 16mgpxl and the 20 one. To make a completely new one, and in big quantities is very difficult and costly, even Samsung buys Sony sensors for their phones, and we all know how stubborn Samsung is when they want to manufacture everything in-house. The only new camera with a different sensor maker that I know, is the JVC, which supposedly is in house made (JVC bought a small company a few years ago, that's what I have read), and I can imagine that their production must have been astonishingly small (they must sell in the dozens, instead of the thousands of the new GH5). If someone has a table or a resource about sensor manufacturers (in video and photography), I would be very interested. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
webrunner5 Posted January 24, 2017 Author Share Posted January 24, 2017 Well Panasonic used to make the sensors for the older Oly, Pana camera themselves. So I am not sure this is a Sony or Pannnasonic sensor in the EM1 mkII and the GH5?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kisaha Posted January 24, 2017 Share Posted January 24, 2017 The fact is, noone knows for sure! I wouldn't bet on Pana sensor though..It seems like Sony is the exclusive m4/3 sensor maker, for a few years now. I am expecting for someone with the answer, it will explain a lot, and show the capability of these companies diferentiate from Sony, and compete against it A a7000 in September with better ergonomics, battery life, AF system, 10bit internal, better IBIS, 180fps slow mo, no overheating (with the bigger body for better ergonomics, and bigger battery for more minutes of use, they can manage heat better), and around 2299$, can destroy any m4/3 camera of the near future, and Sony must be building such a camera right now, and since a6300, for sure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inazuma Posted January 24, 2017 Share Posted January 24, 2017 Panasonic already said in a video interview a few days after the GH5 was announced that the sensor is the same as in the GX8 Kisaha and jonpais 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ntblowz Posted January 24, 2017 Share Posted January 24, 2017 9 hours ago, Kisaha said: The fact is, noone knows for sure! I wouldn't bet on Pana sensor though..It seems like Sony is the exclusive m4/3 sensor maker, for a few years now. I am expecting for someone with the answer, it will explain a lot, and show the capability of these companies diferentiate from Sony, and compete against it A a7000 in September with better ergonomics, battery life, AF system, 10bit internal, better IBIS, 180fps slow mo, no overheating (with the bigger body for better ergonomics, and bigger battery for more minutes of use, they can manage heat better), and around 2299$, can destroy any m4/3 camera of the near future, and Sony must be building such a camera right now, and since a6300, for sure. Pretty sure it will be called FS5 II and cost $5000+ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trek of Joy Posted January 25, 2017 Share Posted January 25, 2017 Reading through the thread, its more just a shift in ISO values. Looking at actual samples, there's no significant difference in DR between the EM1 mk 1 & 2 because its still the same Sony sensor. It looks like Olympus is using a more aggressive NR with the 20mp sensor because of the noise. GH5 video samples are certainly cleaner at higher ISO's, but there's no real leap in DR, just looks like better processing. I'm sure we'll see that when raw stills can be analyzed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
liork Posted January 25, 2017 Share Posted January 25, 2017 Its not the same sensor. The E M1 mark II has much better highlights than the mark I. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trek of Joy Posted January 26, 2017 Share Posted January 26, 2017 20 hours ago, liork said: Its not the same sensor. The E M1 mark II has much better highlights than the mark I. If you're responding to me, I was referring to the same Sony 20mp sensor as others like the Pen F and such - with PADF added to the mix, not between the MK I & II. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
liork Posted January 26, 2017 Share Posted January 26, 2017 Well, the results vs the PEN F are not identical either: https://www.dxomark.com/Cameras/Compare/Side-by-side/Olympus-OM-D-E-M1-Mark-II-versus-Olympus-PEN-F___1136_1070 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric Calabros Posted January 27, 2017 Share Posted January 27, 2017 On 1/25/2017 at 11:29 AM, liork said: Its not the same sensor. The E M1 mark II has much better highlights than the mark I. Much better? Mark1 at ISO 1900: 9.24ev Mark2 at ISO 2800: 8.66ev so for half stop higher ISO, gives you half stop lower DR. seems very close to "equal", not "much better". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
liork Posted January 27, 2017 Share Posted January 27, 2017 Have you read what I wrote? I said "much better highlights". And this is after much testing. You can see it also here: http://mirrorlesscomparison.com/olympus-vs-olympus/omd-em1-vs-omd-em1-ii/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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