tugela Posted September 10, 2016 Share Posted September 10, 2016 19 hours ago, Hanriverprod said: Some of that autofocus at night wide open when it catches is impressive. That video looks like hyper reality almost cgi like. Can't tell how i feel about. It's alluring but strange. Most of that video was out of focus though. The camera was really struggling to keep up. The footage looks relatively soft on a 1440p monitor as well, so it is not that great. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanriverprod Posted September 10, 2016 Author Share Posted September 10, 2016 31 minutes ago, tugela said: Most of that video was out of focus though. The camera was really struggling to keep up. The footage looks relatively soft on a 1440p monitor as well, so it is not that great. You think? Besides the orange tinted close-ups that might be 1080 slo-mo, really soft and out of focus I'm assuming because it's night, the 4k stuff looks pretty good for handheld and both the single operator and subject moving. Erratic shots this wide open at night is going to challenge any focus puller. How are you going to set marks for this kind of shooting? For this style, it looks pretty good to me. I imagine with more conventional shots with set marks for blocking the autofocus will do pretty good. I'm going to rent a 1dx ii and try it out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tugela Posted September 10, 2016 Share Posted September 10, 2016 1 minute ago, Hanriverprod said: You think? Besides the orange tinted close-ups that might be 1080 slo-mo, really soft and out of focus I'm assuming because it's night, the 4k stuff looks pretty good for handheld and both the single operator and subject moving. Erratic shots this wide open at night is going to challenge any focus puller. How are you going to set marks for this kind of shooting? For this style, it looks pretty good to me. I imagine with more conventional shots with set marks for blocking the autofocus will do pretty good. I'm going to rent a 1dx ii and try it out. Well, we have been told that DPAF is superfast at focusing and stays on target like glue. Apparently that is not the case, at least in the video above. The daylight shots were soft as well, not only the low light ones. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanriverprod Posted September 10, 2016 Author Share Posted September 10, 2016 5 minutes ago, tugela said: Well, we have been told that DPAF is superfast at focusing and stays on target like glue. Apparently that is not the case, at least in the video above. The daylight shots were soft as well, not only the low light ones. I've gone through 30 takes with a dp and a good 1st AC focus puller keeping focus of an actress medium close-up walking straight at an even pace at night. I don't know if this dpaf could've done any better in a controlled situation like that but remember even with a good focus puller and actors who know their marks, a lot of takes, they are moving out or into focus when it's wide open. I think this looks pretty good for two people running around at night, but yes everything could be better! Also, a lot of those shots are usable as long as there's movement and some focus and there's no focus hunting. It makes it more natural. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanriverprod Posted September 10, 2016 Author Share Posted September 10, 2016 Colors face tracking Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flynn Posted September 10, 2016 Share Posted September 10, 2016 9 hours ago, wolf33d said: So unimpressed by 5dIV videos. Huge file size, poor rolling shutter, huge crop, and image is no more beauty than gh4 I really do think the GH4 looks the best, and that surprises me. I figured I would go A7rii, 5d iv, and then GH4. But it ended up being the exact opposite. funkyou86 and Marco Tecno 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
squig Posted September 10, 2016 Share Posted September 10, 2016 Epic fail Canon Romania. Could they make the model's skin any more muppet like? The micro jitters on the NYC clip made me feel physically ill. Gotta be at least 30ms rolling shutter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nikkor Posted September 10, 2016 Share Posted September 10, 2016 8 minutes ago, squig said: The micro jitters on the NYC clip made me feel physically ill. Gotta be at least 30ms rolling shutter. Plus using fullframe lenses on a crop camera. Geoff CB 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tellure Posted September 10, 2016 Share Posted September 10, 2016 Serious jello going on in that dog video. Sure do love the Canon colors though..they still have that nailed. As an A7R2 owner I was surprised how bad it looked in the Northrup comparison video. Definitely agree with the earlier poster about the Canon having much higher noise but a much less compression artifacts. Just check out Tony's face on the A7R2 compared to the Canon. (Gotta remember to switch to S35 for any high ISO work). Guess that lack of inter-frame compression on MJPEG isn't just pure file size bloat, it does reduce compression artifacts. Of course if any camera could compress H264 at 500Mbps I'm sure it would look just as good. Given that you can't though it does give the 5DMkIV's high-ISO performance something beneficial. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanriverprod Posted September 10, 2016 Author Share Posted September 10, 2016 Autofocus with Tokina 11-16 2.8 Dutch Videographer I think talking about whether a focus puller is needed with Mark IV. Maybe somebody can give a short synopsis of what he's saying. Shield3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cinegain Posted September 11, 2016 Share Posted September 11, 2016 Dutch? German (Deutsch; 'aus Berlin'). Luckily I know both. He says the AF as well 'important' as it is 'convincing' and 'impressive'. He doesn't really like the quick AF, but thinks it probably has its use in some scenarios. He indeed mentions that one shot when she's moving towards the camera that usually would require a focuspuller and now the camera can handle a shot like that by itself. Hanriverprod 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanriverprod Posted September 11, 2016 Author Share Posted September 11, 2016 14 minutes ago, Cinegain said: Dutch? German (Deutsch; 'aus Berlin'). Luckily I know both. He says the AF as well 'important' as it is 'convincing' and 'impressive'. He doesn't really like the quick AF, but thinks it probably has its use in some scenarios. He indeed mentions that one shot when she's moving towards the camera that usually would require a focuspuller and now the camera can handle a shot like that by itself. Yeah going med to med tight on actor at night doing shoulder mount for that cinema-verite look and even with a good focus puller is doable but tough. Really wish this camera had better video features with that dpaf! Oh well, thanks for translation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cinegain Posted September 11, 2016 Share Posted September 11, 2016 If they really are thinking about more serious mirrorless cameras and don't see them as much of a threat to higher end cameras, but competing against the other mirrorless market products, then it could get interesting. The EOS-M M5 is almost there, but not quite yet. But I guess that goes for every camera they release, lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpfilmz Posted September 11, 2016 Share Posted September 11, 2016 They have the 4k version up now. deezid 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoff CB Posted September 12, 2016 Share Posted September 12, 2016 On 9/10/2016 at 6:44 PM, tellure said: Serious jello going on in that dog video. Sure do love the Canon colors though..they still have that nailed. As an A7R2 owner I was surprised how bad it looked in the Northrup comparison video. Definitely agree with the earlier poster about the Canon having much higher noise but a much less compression artifacts. Just check out Tony's face on the A7R2 compared to the Canon. (Gotta remember to switch to S35 for any high ISO work). Guess that lack of inter-frame compression on MJPEG isn't just pure file size bloat, it does reduce compression artifacts. Of course if any camera could compress H264 at 500Mbps I'm sure it would look just as good. Given that you can't though it does give the 5DMkIV's high-ISO performance something beneficial. He screwed up and shot in FF mode. They even acknowledge it at the end of the video. They should have re-shot it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nikkor Posted September 12, 2016 Share Posted September 12, 2016 What I don't understand is why they didn't make a "crappy" Fullframe mode. I mean, the 5Dr turns 50mp into 1080p, they could have turned 30mp into 4K the same way, or the way the 5dmkiii does 1080p. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deezid Posted September 12, 2016 Share Posted September 12, 2016 16 hours ago, jpfilmz said: They have the 4k version up now. This one actually looks great. I bet they used the usual tricks (no sharpening no nr in camera, sharpening and grain added in post), to make it look like that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tugela Posted September 12, 2016 Share Posted September 12, 2016 5 hours ago, Nikkor said: What I don't understand is why they didn't make a "crappy" Fullframe mode. I mean, the 5Dr turns 50mp into 1080p, they could have turned 30mp into 4K the same way, or the way the 5dmkiii does 1080p. Because it would have been beyond the capabilities of the processor within what they consider an acceptable thermal envelope. They did it for technical reasons, not to screw you over. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nikkor Posted September 12, 2016 Share Posted September 12, 2016 2 hours ago, tugela said: Because it would have been beyond the capabilities of the processor within what they consider an acceptable thermal envelope. They did it for technical reasons, not to screw you over. Well you don't know that for shure. kaylee 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
berndimax Posted September 13, 2016 Share Posted September 13, 2016 1080p does not look great! Soft and full of moire. https://vimeo.com/182286557 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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