Xavier Plagaro Mussard Posted April 20, 2016 Share Posted April 20, 2016 In the "flame" (pun intended) of cheaper/better external recorder, which is the cheapest way to feed them with a 4K/10bit camcorder?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Ebrahim Saadawi Posted April 20, 2016 Share Posted April 20, 2016 The cheapest cameras that output a clean true 10bit signal are: blackmagoc pockey cinema vamera, and then PAnasoNics GH4. HOWEVER i tested heavily the 10but gh4 quality and it really makes no obvious jump in image quality, just a little tiny difference seen at 400 blow ups, and the pocket already records 12bit internally. Some camera really get a HUGE boost in image quality from going 10bit,the cheapest one is yhe SONY f3 with sLOG upgrade, giving an extraordinary Log 444 10bit image that's really really filmic, but with the gh4 i see no real advantage from just shootinginternally , however some report that 10bit works really well with the Vlog profile which is pretty bad internally (magenta shadows and blocking which is gone with external 10bit 4:22 recording so it might be a good combo as it gives 12 stops of DR IN good colours ~ProRes HQ to simple SD Cards using the BM video assist ontop. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cpc Posted April 20, 2016 Share Posted April 20, 2016 He says 4K. That makes the GH4 the only contender. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AaronChicago Posted April 20, 2016 Share Posted April 20, 2016 Yeah, GH4 + VlogL + 10bit external is great in my opinion. If you're shooting any of the other color profiles it probably doesn't make much sense to go 10 bit. Cinegain, kidzrevil and JazzBox 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Kotlos Posted April 20, 2016 Share Posted April 20, 2016 Wait is the Micro Cinema Camera out of the question? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil A Posted April 20, 2016 Share Posted April 20, 2016 2 minutes ago, Don Kotlos said: Wait is the Micro Cinema Camera out of the question? He asked for 4k, so based on that yes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Kotlos Posted April 20, 2016 Share Posted April 20, 2016 2 minutes ago, Phil A said: He asked for 4k, so based on that yes. Sorry I meant the micro Studio camera. So confused with all these names... Phil A 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martin BetterFly Posted April 20, 2016 Share Posted April 20, 2016 Battle-Tested (used) KineMINI 4K From $2,499 4K 12bit RAW http://www.kinefinity.com/shop/kinemini-battle-tested/?lang=en IronFilm, sudopera and Geoff CB 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zak Forsman Posted April 21, 2016 Share Posted April 21, 2016 12 hours ago, Martin BetterFly said: Battle-Tested (used) KineMINI 4K From $2,499 4K 12bit RAW http://www.kinefinity.com/shop/kinemini-battle-tested/?lang=en sadly those have been sold out for awhile. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xavier Plagaro Mussard Posted April 21, 2016 Author Share Posted April 21, 2016 Thanks to everyone! And the https://www.blackmagicdesign.com/products/blackmagicmicrostudiocamera4k ?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cinegain Posted April 21, 2016 Share Posted April 21, 2016 GH4 over that one any day. Unless you need it for actual STUDIO work. But... I'm thinking not. JazzBox 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xavier Plagaro Mussard Posted April 21, 2016 Author Share Posted April 21, 2016 You are right, I am for light/cheap equipment because my fees doesn't allow for more. But with 4K I realize that you need a nice LCD monitor to get focus right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cinegain Posted April 21, 2016 Share Posted April 21, 2016 Ebrahim has issued plenty of warnings... e.g.1 / e.g.2 / e.g.3 / etc... best to stay away besides the fact that it NEEDS an external monitor and recording. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MBFrancis Posted April 21, 2016 Share Posted April 21, 2016 You can go even cheaper. The likes of the FZ1000 and G7 CAN output 10 bit 4k. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil A Posted April 21, 2016 Share Posted April 21, 2016 1 hour ago, MBFrancis said: You can go even cheaper. The likes of the FZ1000 and G7 CAN output 10 bit 4k. Are you sure? Everything I read points towards the G7 not doing 10bit but 8bit via HDMI. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MBFrancis Posted April 21, 2016 Share Posted April 21, 2016 1 hour ago, Phil A said: Are you sure? Everything I read points towards the G7 not doing 10bit but 8bit via HDMI. Retracted. Seems the 10 bit is limited in 1080 for both Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xavier Plagaro Mussard Posted April 23, 2016 Author Share Posted April 23, 2016 10 bit at 1080p is not bad! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JazzBox Posted April 24, 2016 Share Posted April 24, 2016 On 20 aprile 2016 at 3:23 PM, AaronChicago said: Yeah, GH4 + VlogL + 10bit external is great in my opinion. If you're shooting any of the other color profiles it probably doesn't make much sense to go 10 bit. Aaron, I had a super quick test recording V-Log in ProRes on BM Videoassist and I had quite the same results I had internally: super good exterior shots and very noisy internal shots. The exteriors are so good (and they grade superbly with the LUT you suggested me) that I probably made some mistake in interiors, but I always have noise in shadows with V-Log, while I have good images with "Natura" or CineD: could you please suggest me something to have good shadows indoor? Thank you very much! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AaronChicago Posted April 24, 2016 Share Posted April 24, 2016 7 hours ago, JazzBox said: Aaron, I had a super quick test recording V-Log in ProRes on BM Videoassist and I had quite the same results I had internally: super good exterior shots and very noisy internal shots. The exteriors are so good (and they grade superbly with the LUT you suggested me) that I probably made some mistake in interiors, but I always have noise in shadows with V-Log, while I have good images with "Natura" or CineD: could you please suggest me something to have good shadows indoor? Thank you very much! It definitely needs a good source of light. If you're raising the exposure to look brighter than whats actually there it can cause problems. The 4K BMD cameras are the same. FPN can show up if you're boosting the shadows. Alot of us are used to great lowlight cameras (DSLRs, mirrorless) but I feel with V Log and BMD cameras you have to change that mindset and shoot in a more film style approach. JazzBox 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JazzBox Posted April 24, 2016 Share Posted April 24, 2016 6 hours ago, AaronChicago said: It definitely needs a good source of light. If you're raising the exposure to look brighter than whats actually there it can cause problems. The 4K BMD cameras are the same. FPN can show up if you're boosting the shadows. Alot of us are used to great lowlight cameras (DSLRs, mirrorless) but I feel with V Log and BMD cameras you have to change that mindset and shoot in a more film style approach. Thank you very much Aaron! I'll try my best to shot in the right way: honestly my only experience with log was with Pocket and I had great results, but GH4 is so simple to use (and V-Log in external is just amazing to not use it!!) Just another question, excuse me if I bother you: do you think it could work in the same video using both V-Log in external and "Natural" indoor (of course with color grading)? All the best and thank you again! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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