jacoblewis 135 Posted February 6, 2016 Share Posted February 6, 2016 I don't know about you, but I've been looking forward to testing out the new URSA Mini. It seems to have corrected all my qualms with Blackmagic Design's previous attempts at camera manufacturing (primarily in the ergonomics department). I jumped on B&H to read some reviews, and they're overwhelmingly bad. See for yourself: http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1137314-REG/blackmagic_design_cinecamursam40k_ef_ursa_4k_digital_cinema.html Curious if EOSHD users have had the same [bad] experiences with the URSA mini. kaylee 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Oliver Daniel 1,540 Posted February 6, 2016 Share Posted February 6, 2016 26 minutes ago, jacoblewis said: I don't know about you, but I've been looking forward to testing out the new URSA Mini. It seems to have corrected all my qualms with Blackmagic Design's previous attempts at camera manufacturing (primarily in the ergonomics department). I jumped on B&H to read some reviews, and they're overwhelmingly bad. See for yourself: http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1137314-REG/blackmagic_design_cinecamursam40k_ef_ursa_4k_digital_cinema.html Curious if EOSHD users have had the same [bad] experiences with the URSA mini. Wow, that's a lot of bad reviews! I know the Ursa Mini 4.6k is the "one to get" however the amount of issues the 4k version has can't be ignored. Money/reputation is always on the line during a shoot - so going Blackmagic seems like a massive risk. The cameras will need a while to mature and get firmware updates. I actually pre-ordered the Ursa Mini 4.6k (first time I've pre-ordered) and cancelled it months ago. Bought the A7SII and lenses instead. I'm personally monitoring the Sony FS5 + Recorder solution/rawupdate.... I've clicked with the A7SII and fancy pairing them up if all goes well. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jonesy Jones 0 Posted February 6, 2016 Share Posted February 6, 2016 I can't verify either way since I have not owned or used one, but this discussion has gone on at another forum as well. My understanding is that the majority of the issues would not be if users worked within the cameras known strengths and weaknesses. Seems to also be some kinks with some of the cameras as well. Hopefully BM resolve these sooner than later. I also preordered and cancelled. I still think that the 4.6K will one day be my camera, but the image one can get from the bmcc and pocket are so awesome that I am happy to use them until both I and the 4.6K are ready. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Cinegain 2,169 Posted February 6, 2016 Share Posted February 6, 2016 15 minutes ago, Jonesy Jones said: [..] Hopefully BM resolve these sooner than later. [..] Awesome pun! benymypony, Liam and Jonesy Jones 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
cantsin 1 Posted February 6, 2016 Share Posted February 6, 2016 All the complaints seem to be about noise and image quality. Well, nothing of this is news since the Ursa Mini 4K has the same sensor, with the same issues, as the old Blackmagic 4K Production Cinema Camera. People could just have tested or downloaded footage from the old camera. But Blackmagic's marketing is to blame, too (once again...), because many people don't seem to be aware of the difference between the 4K and the 4.6K Ursa Mini. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jonesy Jones 0 Posted February 6, 2016 Share Posted February 6, 2016 13 minutes ago, Cinegain said: Awesome pun! I kid you not, as I was writing that, somewhere deep inside I knew that pun was happening, but the lame part of me blocked it out. Good catch. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
graphicnatured 164 Posted February 6, 2016 Share Posted February 6, 2016 But the image the 4k UrsaMini produces is wonderful, within limits. The people who have been putting stuff out with it have been able to capture beautiful images when lit properly. Low light and DR are the main issues, but just know that going in. Some may be getting lemons, or they may be trolls, but it is easy to tell you can create some good stuff with that cam if used properly. mercer 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Super Members Mattias Burling 3,000 Posted February 6, 2016 Super Members Share Posted February 6, 2016 Nothing new, same thing with the BMCC, BMPCC, BMPC4K and URSA. Wait until some actual users have it. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
enny 167 Posted February 6, 2016 Share Posted February 6, 2016 Just editing music video shoot on BMPCC pro res HQ with speedbuster and yashica 24mm i have some cash to spend and and was looking at ursa or red mx but at this point i don't see why i should spend over 6000k for ursa or mx but geek in me wants it so bad. I am looking at fully loaded mx for 4500 but do i really need 4.5k i mean, what i am seeing from BMPCC is dam nice image. But still geek in me is screaming GETTTTTTT IT Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Super Members Mattias Burling 3,000 Posted February 6, 2016 Super Members Share Posted February 6, 2016 28 minutes ago, enny said: Just editing music video shoot on BMPCC pro res HQ with speedbuster and yashica 24mm i have some cash to spend and and was looking at ursa or red mx but at this point i don't see why i should spend over 6000k for ursa or mx but geek in me wants it so bad. I am looking at fully loaded mx for 4500 but do i really need 4.5k i mean, what i am seeing from BMPCC is dam nice image. But still geek in me is screaming GETTTTTTT IT As an owner of both the BMCC and MX.. You need it The look of the old MX is just so sweet. Totally get why most redusers gets nostalgic over it. andy lee 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
enny 167 Posted February 6, 2016 Share Posted February 6, 2016 1 hour ago, Mattias Burling said: As an owner of both the BMCC and MX.. You need it The look of the old MX is just so sweet. Totally get why most redusers gets nostalgic over it. dude don't tell me that if i. Its between buying my wife a car or buying red 1 mx. I wonder who i need the most wife or mx Phil A and Mattias Burling 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
graphicnatured 164 Posted February 7, 2016 Share Posted February 7, 2016 Wife, but I feel your pain. Jonesy Jones 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
omar 36 Posted February 7, 2016 Share Posted February 7, 2016 5 hours ago, Mattias Burling said: Nothing new, same thing with the BMCC, BMPCC, BMPC4K and URSA. Wait until some actual users have it. So true. I think it's mostly inexperienced and non-pros that have been buying the camera and giving bad reviews. So even though the reviews on B&H are bad I still ordered a 4k mini ursa anyway. I'm picking it up Monday and I'm looking forward to using this camera. I will do some test shots to see if those bad reviews are true and I will post the video up on this forum. It's hard to believe the UM4k is that bad. graphicnatured 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
OzNimbus 56 Posted February 7, 2016 Share Posted February 7, 2016 18 hours ago, Jonesy Jones said: My understanding is that the majority of the issues would not be if users worked within the cameras known strengths and weaknesses. By the reviews, it sounds like there's an awful lot of weaknesses. Like not being able to shoot without noise. Like the damn thing breaking after 3 days. BM had better step the fuck up,and quick. Geoff CB 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
AaronChicago 1,577 Posted February 7, 2016 Share Posted February 7, 2016 Blackmagic says to not boot up in cold weather to prevent FPN... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jonesy Jones 0 Posted February 7, 2016 Share Posted February 7, 2016 1 hour ago, AaronChicago said: Blackmagic says to not boot up in cold weather to prevent FPN... Actually my understanding is that it's not cold weather, but cold resting temp. Apparently you need to do a power cycle once it's been on for a few minutes and at normal running temp. The sensor is having trouble calibrating itself as it goes from resting temp to running temp. Still annoying, but at least there's a workaround and I assume BM will get it right eventually. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Super Members Mattias Burling 3,000 Posted February 7, 2016 Super Members Share Posted February 7, 2016 2 hours ago, AaronChicago said: Blackmagic says to not boot up in cold weather to prevent FPN... No they dont. They say what Jones wrote. The good news is that the Digital Bolex had the same issue and it was an easy firmware fix. Again, just wait. This is standard for BMD. The early adopters are the true beta testers. Bugs will get sorted out. It was the same thing with earlier cameras. Feeling confident, buy it. Excpect it to be perfect, wait a few months. Or buy one of the other 4K Raw shooting cameras... Im actually thinking about buying it again. Would have no fear doing it. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
AaronChicago 1,577 Posted February 7, 2016 Share Posted February 7, 2016 7 minutes ago, Mattias Burling said: No they dont. They say what Jones wrote. The good news is that the Digital Bolex had the same issue and it was an easy firmware fix. Again, just wait. This is standard for BMD. The early adopters are the true beta testers. Bugs will get sorted out. It was the same thing with earlier cameras. Feeling confident, buy it. Excpect it to be perfect, wait a few months. Or buy one of the other 4K Raw shooting cameras... Im actually thinking about buying it again. Would have no fear doing it. From Captain Hook: posted this in other threads, but it happens when the camera is turned on while being cold, then warms up to operating temperature. It's more likely to happen in colder environments. The current suggested workaround is to power cycle the camera while it's still warm and the lines won't be an issue during that power cycle. We are working on it. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Super Members Mattias Burling 3,000 Posted February 7, 2016 Super Members Share Posted February 7, 2016 10 minutes ago, AaronChicago said: From Captain Hook: posted this in other threads, but it happens when the camera is turned on while being cold, then warms up to operating temperature. It's more likely to happen in colder environments. The current suggested workaround is to power cycle the camera while it's still warm and the lines won't be an issue during that power cycle. We are working on it. Excactly what Jones wrote. A bit different than, "Blackmagic says to not boot up in cold weather to prevent FPN..." Quote Link to post Share on other sites
AaronChicago 1,577 Posted February 7, 2016 Share Posted February 7, 2016 1 hour ago, Mattias Burling said: Excactly what Jones wrote. A bit different than, "Blackmagic says to not boot up in cold weather to prevent FPN..." Ha. Okay my mistake! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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