Liam Posted January 19, 2016 Share Posted January 19, 2016 was thinking about b-cameras recently. Sort of think a small sensor (1" or smaller even) camera would be helpful sometimes. wasn't sure if there was something decent that most people just wouldn't have paid attention to because it's not technically a proper camera. my needs are pretty few.not oversharpenedfairly gradabledecent zoom rangemanual controls (or at least "lock" option)720-180p resolutionno huge aliasing problems etc.maybe decent auto controlsmaybe decent iso performancemy A-camera is a t3i, so.. clearly not TOO picky. rx100 would probably get the most love? wasn't sure if something more in the range of like a canon powershot secretly had all this, and might match better to a canon dslr? I'm in no hurry, still researching, and might not even buy if I find it, but curious. any input would be appreciated Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cinegain Posted January 19, 2016 Share Posted January 19, 2016 Sony and Panasonic seem to got what it takes. If you can, I'd say LX100 all the way. Just depends on your budget, but RX100 isn't supercheap or anything. Not sure what those recent Panasonic LX100-like cameras sell for, they might interest you. Recently I picked up a Nikon S9900 for just a little over 200 EUR as a travel cam (plenty zoom flexibility, vari-angle screen, nice bridge between LX100 and FZ1000). Video's not is definitely not as great as the Panasonics (and the zoom mechanism is very very loud). Guess if you want small and zoom 1/2.3" is it. But then you get the accompanied compact look, with low dynamic range and everything. Mainly gotten it for stills anyways as the crop helps with tele and keeping the subject in focus. For video you might want to avoid 1/2.3". 1" or bigger is pretty nice. This is a nice overview of cameras that generally would be interesting: http://geizhals.eu/?cat=dcam&asuch=&bpmax=&v=e&hloc=at&hloc=de&hloc=pl&hloc=uk&hloc=eu&plz=&dist=&mail=&bl1_id=30&sort=n&xf=86_0.55~70_3 .- kinda thinking about it... recently I saw a pretty decent GM1 kit deal. I'd rather get something like that as B cam. Might be some nice deals to be found in your area as well. Liam 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nikkor Posted January 19, 2016 Share Posted January 19, 2016 Another t3i, I mean they go for 100€? Liam 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mercer Posted January 19, 2016 Share Posted January 19, 2016 Check out the FZ300. There are some nice videos floating around. It also has cinelikeD and V. Mic input and controls. It's weather sealed. And 4K. Liam 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liam Posted January 19, 2016 Author Share Posted January 19, 2016 yeah, don't think I could handle 4k on my computer.. it struggles with my current footage /: and like.. $300 or less is maybe what I was thinking. gm1, another t3i, lx100 sure, sounds cool, buuut, idk I kind of like the 2/3" sensor look when everything is in focus. I was looking at the f23 for a while (super expensive, not a chance I'd get it ha) but it's interesting. nx500 too, even cropping into the small crop factor 4k is interesting to me for the depth of field you get, etc. but I was also looking for something super cheap, and thought those might have overlapped at some point pretty well. like didn't know if a powershot once had matched the t3i image quality, with manual controls, but just no one hesitated to jump to the larger sensor. probably not Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IronFilm Posted January 20, 2016 Share Posted January 20, 2016 If you're just looking for a super cheap overlooked option which still gives you aolid 1080 then simply get a secondhand Panasonic GH1 for US $150 or less. Will crush your existing Canon too ;-) Liam 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lintelfilm Posted January 20, 2016 Share Posted January 20, 2016 LX100 has an MFT sized sensor BTW.An EOS-M would match with your T3i perfectly and with adapter they could share lenses. Less than $200 on eBay (IDK how much adapters are). Liam 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hene1 Posted January 20, 2016 Share Posted January 20, 2016 LX100 is anything but cinematic. It has bad colors and very digital look. Liam 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cpc Posted January 20, 2016 Share Posted January 20, 2016 BM Pocket with an optical AA filter? austinchimp, Liam and benymypony 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mercer Posted January 20, 2016 Share Posted January 20, 2016 yeah, don't think I could handle 4k on my computer.. it struggles with my current footage /: and like.. $300 or less is maybe what I was thinking. gm1, another t3i, lx100 sure, sounds cool, buuut, idk I kind of like the 2/3" sensor look when everything is in focus. I was looking at the f23 for a while (super expensive, not a chance I'd get it ha) but it's interesting. nx500 too, even cropping into the small crop factor 4k is interesting to me for the depth of field you get, etc. but I was also looking for something super cheap, and thought those might have overlapped at some point pretty well. like didn't know if a powershot once had matched the t3i image quality, with manual controls, but just no one hesitated to jump to the larger sensor. probably notIf you downsample the 4K to 1080 before you bring it into the nle, there shouldn't be an issue. Liam 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bamigoreng Posted January 20, 2016 Share Posted January 20, 2016 EOS M, 22mm f/2 (+adaptor, ML and Neat video). Liam 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheRenaissanceMan Posted January 20, 2016 Share Posted January 20, 2016 RX10 classic maybe? They're getting pretty cheap on eBay. IronFilm and Liam 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jagnje Posted January 20, 2016 Share Posted January 20, 2016 Nikon J1? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jase Posted January 20, 2016 Share Posted January 20, 2016 I think that the GM1 paired with the right lens does a pretty decent job: IronFilm and mercer 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mercer Posted January 21, 2016 Share Posted January 21, 2016 I think that the GM1 paired with the right lens does a pretty decent job:Is this your video? Either way, it looks nice. A very solid 1080p image and good composition. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jase Posted January 21, 2016 Share Posted January 21, 2016 Is this your video? Either way, it looks nice. A very solid 1080p image and good composition. yep it's mine. and it is 720p Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mercer Posted January 21, 2016 Share Posted January 21, 2016 yep it's mine. and it is 720p Really!? That looks wicked. Why 720p? What lens were you using? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jase Posted January 21, 2016 Share Posted January 21, 2016 Really!? That looks wicked. Why 720p?What lens were you using?Because the GM1 only allows 50p in 720p. Lens is the Voigtländer 25mm paired with those great Tiffen Ultra Contrast filters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mercer Posted January 21, 2016 Share Posted January 21, 2016 Because the GM1 only allows 50p in 720p. Lens is the Voigtländer 25mm paired with those great Tiffen Ultra Contrast filters.Gotcha, I thought I read it shoots 60i at 1080. Either way it looks nice. That voigtlander looks excellent. If I'm ever in the market for more expensive lenses... I will be looking into them. Those Tiffen filters look like a great idea... I never knew they existed. What strength are you using? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cinegain Posted January 21, 2016 Share Posted January 21, 2016 Gotcha, I thought I read it shoots 60i at 1080. Either way it looks nice. That voigtlander looks excellent. If I'm ever in the market for more expensive lenses... I will be looking into them. Those Tiffen filters look like a great idea... I never knew they existed. What strength are you using?There was a very good topic on those a while back:http://www.eoshd.com/comments/topic/7284-tiffen-ultra-low-contrast-filters/?page=1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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