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Hey folks - simple question here. Is a 200mm prime going to be useable without IS on a crop sensor? Even on a tripod? I ask because the Canon 200mm 2.8l is available used for pretty cheap. I'd like the depth of field options introduced by having a telephoto, but don't want to bother if its going to be too jittery. I'd use it mostly for filming interviews but also for photographing nature 

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I'd like to see you go hand held with a 200mm lens on any camera.

 

Lol, wont be doing that! I've used the 70-200 2.8 IS with a monopod and that was perfectly usable. A few shaky shots here and there. The only handheld use for me will by photos during the day time

 

Thanks for the input. 

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Bruno. Have you ever shot handheld with a 200mm lens? Care to post the footage?

No I haven't, but that doesn't mean it can't be done, just check out the films I've mentioned and you'll see plenty of shots.

The Canon 70-200 IS is a great lens for video for instance.

Rolling shutter sensors will make these lenses harder to work with, that's for granted, but even that is relative, as the results depend a lot on how far you are from your subject.

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No I haven't, but that doesn't mean it can't be done, just check out the films I've mentioned and you'll see plenty of shots.

The Canon 70-200 IS is a great lens for video for instance.

Rolling shutter sensors will make these lenses harder to work with, that's for granted, but even that is relative, as the results depend a lot on how far you are from your subject.

You cannot use a 200mm lens handheld. I thought you were a cameraman?

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You cannot use a 200mm lens handheld. I thought you were a cameraman?

 

Yeah, bearing in mind I'm also on a crop sensor. With a full frame sensor and a handheld rig i'd try it in a pinch. I wouldn't want to do it without IS

 

I will be locked down on a tripod though. Just wasnt sure if it might still be jittery while i'm pulling focus or whatever

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You cannot use a 200mm lens handheld. I thought you were a cameraman?

You thought wrong :)

 

Why can't you shoot handheld on 200mm or even longer? Is it forbidden?

 

If you wanna ignore the couple films I brought up before, then just look at this two random youtube clips and tell me what's so wrong about them.

[url="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N-pxkFIuM3k"]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N-pxkFIuM3k[/url]

[url="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NSuQ7CHoO4E"]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NSuQ7CHoO4E[/url]

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No I haven't, but that doesn't mean it can't be done, just check out the films I've mentioned and you'll see plenty of shots.

The Canon 70-200 IS is a great lens for video for instance.

Rolling shutter sensors will make these lenses harder to work with, that's for granted, but even that is relative, as the results depend a lot on how far you are from your subject.


It can be done alright. But results are going to be far from acceptable, and that goes besides rolling shutter. I don't know how good your pulse is, but if it will show in a 200mm just imagine shooting with 320mm or 400mm in a crop sensor! Those movies you saw could have used a 200mm, but they certainly didn't shoot with them handheld. There's always a tripod or som other kind of rig, specially if using a telephoto lens!

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You thought wrong :)

 

Why can't you shoot handheld on 200mm or even longer? Is it forbidden?

 

If you wanna ignore the couple films I brought up before, then just look at this two random youtube clips and tell me what's so wrong about them.

[url="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N-pxkFIuM3k"]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N-pxkFIuM3k[/url]

[url="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NSuQ7CHoO4E"]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NSuQ7CHoO4E[/url]

 

The OP was asking about the non-IS version and on a crop sensor.

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Of course it won't be steady, it's part of a shooting style, handheld is usually shaky by default, and if you go with longer lenses, you expect it to be even shakier, but if that's the style you're after it's perfectly possible, and you see it all the time in action sequences.

 

Look at this clip shot handheld with a 500mm.

[url="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m9L-y42Nj58"]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m9L-y42Nj58[/url]

 

Sure it's shaky, but I've seen way shakier footage on so many films. The rolling shutter is the only thing making it look bad in this case.

And of course in this case it doesn't fit the subject, it's a parked car, if he was shooting a fast moving car, it would have been perfectly suitable and acceptable.

 

You can use any lens you damn please, as long as you understand what you're doing and how it fits the story you're telling.

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Markm: Stop being such a baby. You can use a 200mm handheld especially if it has IS. Without IS it get's quite tricky.

 

First of all I take great offence at being called a baby and I'm sure so would anyone NORMAL posting here. But then that's the game isn't it?  Disregard facts just insult tar and undermine.. Demeaning putdowns combined with I know cos I know answers are trolling.

 

There is one site though where this behaviour as long as you bow down to your master IE Personal view, is perfectly acceptable. I hope this is not allowed here. I wonder if some of you are here to stick the boot in to Andrews site?

 

1) Image stabilisation is completely at odds with Handheld. Can you see how handheld IE shaky footage and Image stabilisation IE Stabilise are at odds.

2) At 200mm the shake would be so bad NO Image stabilisation would be able to recover it. Its just a FACT.

3) Jello +image stabilisation+200mm lens = TOTAL GARBAGE.

 

You know nothing and are backing the wrong answer You obviously wish to support certain people instead of contributing.

Including you there are at least three trolls here now.

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Leang +1

 

It's not that hard to find some handheld footage at 200mm, even on a crop sensor some shots look pretty usable to me. All you need is a pair of steady hands and probably an extra support like a shoulder or chest mount. You probably wouldn't want to drink too much coffee before shooting with 200mm handheld.

 

[url="http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=200mm+handheld&oq=200mm+handheld&gs_l=youtube.3...1414.4982.0.5150.16.15.1.0.0.0.103.931.14j1.15.0...0.0...1ac.1.MspKL7xiDfc"]Youtube search query[/url]

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Leang +1

 

It's not that hard to find some handheld footage at 200mm, even on a crop sensor some shots look pretty usable to me. All you need is a pair of steady hands and probably an extra support like a shoulder or chest mount. You probably wouldn't want to drink too much coffee before shooting with 200mm handheld.

 

[url="http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=200mm+handheld&oq=200mm+handheld&gs_l=youtube.3...1414.4982.0.5150.16.15.1.0.0.0.103.931.14j1.15.0...0.0...1ac.1.MspKL7xiDfc"]Youtube search query[/url]

 

The video Bruno used was clearly not handheld as it was resting on the road while the guy focused. 

 

We are talking her about using a 200mm lens in a film on a 4/3 sensor. No DP would do this as it would be silly. You would put the camera on a tripod and emulate hand held OR do it in post.

 

 

HANDHELD

Holding the camera in your hands with no other means of support. Resting the camera on a wall a road or on a body mount is not hand held.

 

STILLS PHOTOGRAPHY

The only way you can get usable image would be to shoot at a very high frame rate and hopefully you may get a usable still For still photography.

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