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8 hours ago, androidlad said:

Regarding the so-called "16bit linear RAW" 4264 x 2408 60FPS HDMI output, it's actually derived from 12bit ADC sensor readout, then dithered(upscaled) by the DSP to 16bit.

How can they deliver so much DR with a 12bit adc?

1 hour ago, androidlad said:

4K 24-60P and 4K 120P have almost the same level of sharpness and detail. And 1080P is not supersampled, but pixel-binned from 24-60P and line-skipped from 100-240P.

Is this your observation or a stated fact?

3 hours ago, androidlad said:

Regarding the so-called "16bit linear RAW" 4264 x 2408 60FPS HDMI output, it's actually derived from 12bit ADC sensor readout, then dithered(upscaled) by the DSP to 16bit.

Where did you read this?

2 hours ago, androidlad said:

Regarding the so-called "16bit linear RAW" 4264 x 2408 60FPS HDMI output, it's actually derived from 12bit ADC sensor readout, then dithered(upscaled) by the DSP to 16bit.

that is so sony

1 hour ago, androidlad said:

None of the 1080p modes on A7S III are supersampled from full sensor readout, 24p to 60p are pixel binned, 120p is pixel binned and lineskipped, 240p is futher pixel binned lineskipped (to 1420 x 804)

I specifically read that it downsamples 4K to HD. I'll have to find it

1 minute ago, cameraeye said:

I'm impressed by all the small improvements that add up to what seem to be a very competent camera. Often when something is boring, it's because it's good. The excitement comes from the project you're working on. If Sony's colour science has improved as much as people say, recording to a ProRes Raw recorder in the future would be nice. I just don't think I could jump back to Sony after the absolute nightmare that was their colour- in my own humble experience.

this is a tock not a tick. but i, for one, require reliability above all else

9 minutes ago, Laurier said:

They are crushing the S1H imo , the S1h crop in S35 for 60fps and don t do 120fps 4k , rolling shutter should be a lot better on the A7siii, it s almost half the weight and much smaller + Good AF

I would have put good AF at the top of your list 🙂 that's why I sold my S1. If you don't need AF, there are a lot of good options (although it's true that you have to step down to a cropped sensor to get 4k60p without a crop before r5/r6/a7s3)

20 minutes ago, Andrew Reid said:

Sony clearly have a better processor than Canon and better engineering know-how to avoid heat limitations in 4K/120p and 10bit.

My guess, based on your analysis of the R5 internals, is that Canon intentionally neglected heat management in a bid to limit its appeal to video shooters. But they overshot the mark. (or maybe they only ever wanted hobbyist videographers to buy in)

Meanwhile, Sony capped the resolution of the A7SIII to limit its appeal to photogs and hybrid shooters.

Works for me though. I just want a low-light beast with good AF and 10-bit beefy codecs to ride on my Ronin-S all day

26 minutes ago, Andrew Reid said:

I am sure the out of-camera colour still relies on dated Creative Styles.

Woof - so no s-cinetone? that would be a great letdown

I think Andrew is wrong about the color - didn't they claim it matches FX9/Venice?

Also on the price - do you know that for certain, Andrew? I was given the impression it would be about $3500 in the US.

Actually, according to Gerald it is probably line-skipped and not pixel-binned in non-HQ mode!!!

47 minutes ago, wondo said:

two things really puzzle me when i read through these posts.

a: i don`t think anyone is forced to buy this camera but a lot of the posts read like people already did and now live in a constant nightmare.

People are upset because the hype was so grand.

Also I heard a rumor that R5 overheating caused the coronavirus outbreak 😉 bad joke

14 hours ago, Andrew Reid said:

And the most challenging situations apply to Johnnie's shoot?

Logically, the most challenging situations are as challenging as Johnnie's situation or moreso.

To put it another way, if the camera won't work for every documentary application then it is not a documentary camera.

But again, I agree that it would have been more useful to determine when/how/if you can use it if he had given us more information.

9 hours ago, newfoundmass said:

Those scenes are exactly why you don't use AF. Woof. 

Yeah that's not an autofocus lens

4 hours ago, jack jin said:

Didn't a canon ambassador from the C5D comment section say that the r6 samples sent to the uk were all mistakenly body samples that weren't meant to shoot video? I think that could explain the reason why C5d's results are so different from dpreview's.

I call BS

5 hours ago, Andrew Reid said:

Except that isn't true.

Didn't provide real world shooting times, not even rough estimates.

Didn't talk about a real world shooting schedule, in terms of the amount of time the shoot lasted during the day.

Didn't mention the average length of a take.

Didn't say at what point during the shoot the overheating trouble began.

Didn't estimate the resting gaps in-between. Or whether the camera even remained turned on during this time.

Didn't say whether the indoor scenes had a lower temp than 28 degrees, due to air con, or other...

Meh yeah it could have been more informative. But the thing about doc shooting is there will be times you're rolling for hours on end in hot situations. If the camera can't handle the most challenging situations, then it is not a GENERAL PURPOSE DOCUMENTARY CAMERA. We could have learned more, but at least we learned that

6 hours ago, Trankilstef said:

I feel the same way. I use my S1H daily for professional use and I never worry about overheating or weather conditions, it's that reliabel. i shoot mainly corporate and interview that sometimes go over 35mn per take and I've never ever had any annoyance with it. The only drawback to me is the AF for video, I'd love to have good continuous AF in some situations. And I really am looking closely to the new Canon bodies as well as the Sony A7SIII, but for now, from what I see from the Canon cameras, I think I would regret to switch from my S1H. It I get the good AF I want but end up with overheating problems or unreliability in general, that won't work for me. 
For now , until more tests come our way, I think I may keep the S1H or switch back to Sony if the A7SIII is as good as it seems . 

So you kind of regret selling your S1?

I miss the S1 but I knew I would. I don't regret selling it - especially since I'm shooting like 1/8 my normal volume right now! The fact is that the S1 would never have the features I want long-term (AF and no-crop 4K60) so I would want to upgrade sooner or later. I have other cameras (fs7, gh5 +...) so it's not like i can't shoot. I'm hoping that the A7SIII does it for me and that i won't need to upgrade it for 5+ years. If not the A7SIII then maybe i will just keep waiting for the right camera to come along.

6 hours ago, Django said:

Of course an 8.2K oversampled 4K IQ is going to be vastly superior to a non oversampled pixel binned 4K IQ. That's why it's called HQ lol..

At least there is a 4K HQ mode, unlike the A7S3's non oversampled 4K. A comparison in between those two will be interesting.

As for the overheating, what I would really like to get confirmation is if when overheating warning is turned on, can you switch to regular 4K without the camera ever bricking.

Also still no serious RS tests...

 

I think the R5 RS is fine based on what I've seen and the R6 RS is weak-sauce.

Someone wrote that they got an overheat warning shooting 8K and then switched to 4K (binned I presume) and kept shooting. I imagine that only works if you do so before it shuts off

So basically you're saying - we should all buy an R5 so we can get in on the class action lawsuit? JK

I honestly doubt there will be a successful lawsuit because canon has been pretty up-front about documenting the manner of overheating. They have covered their ass after showing it. And I read a lot of people saying they'll be happy to steal extra shots with the camera or use it for photography and get the occasional video clip. It has a purpose even if it won't do what i want

People crapped on Sony for overheating. And it's a different time now. And the R5 is just so close to perfection that it's painful

1 hour ago, hijodeibn said:

It could still be used as a doc camera for some occasions with an external recorded, the point is it is too expensive for what you get, right now for a similar price of the R5 + ninja V you could get a C200, but loose the FF, so that's the dilema, R6 if it is usable using external recording is a better choice in my opinion, but there is so many contradicting information now, that we are still in the blind area, certainly in the next weeks we will get better information, but my hopes are really down at this moment.

Maybe you are right but it seems optimistic. I want a workhorse not a show pony. I sold my S1 to get something with AF and no-crop 4k60p but that camera was beautifully bulletproof. It just got out of my way and I didn't ever have to worry about it

I like you and your blog and I think you're funny. But even so, I don't like all this personal negativity. I dont see the value in giving as good as you get. Seems better to me to rise above. One thing I like about newsshooter is how neutral the tone stays. I like where you're going with the comic direction and some of your posts have been really very funny. But I dont need the negativity in my life, it's why I quit twitter.

That being said - i agree that behiri is not giving us a lot of information I would like to know and I think he was very rude to you. But he has a point - if it didnt work for him to shoot documentary style on a typical shoot, it might not work for a typical shoot for me either. In any case, I dont want to be stressing about the camera. This is clearly not a documentary camera.

PS I hope I'm not coming off too critical or annoying. I love your blog and your insight - keep up the good work

On 7/18/2020 at 4:53 AM, ade towell said:

Your ignorance is overwhelming. And I thought you were a real DP the way you big yourself up in that hot air way of yours

John Brawley uses BM cameras with Alexa all the time on real sets on big productions. Check out this recent thread for example on dvxuser, the guy is a fountain of knowledge

http://www.dvxuser.com/V6/showthread.php?367345-John-Brawley-s-quot-The-Great-quot-on-Hulu&highlight=brawley

If you have questions you'd like to ask him on that thread about the Great, I'm sure he'd be glad to answer.

It seems to me that he mixes the UMP with the Alexa because the form factor is great for loose handheld shooting (lightweight enough, handgrip and monitor rigged on board). So, he uses the UMP when he wants to improv handheld. The image quality is on par with Alexa and he could probably use a Mini or a RED, but the UMP comes rigged to shoot that way. Plus, he has a relationship with the company and probably got them to design it to his liking.

And lastly, the price is low enough that he owns 4. So he can bring them for extra angles and back-ups and I don't think it breaks his bank.

The 12K - maybe he'll only buy 1 or 2. But it seems like he really likes the color fidelity and the clarity of the image, and it has the same body and operability.

I think you're striking a good balance, Andrew. Life is full of nuance. One can be happy for the features they've included and disappointed by the limitations. Best to see things clearly.

Now, let's see if the A7SIII overheats...

39 minutes ago, Simon Young said:

Wolfcrow tested out the 1dxIII extensively on a job and praises many things, but rolling shutter performance in 5,5k raw is not one of them. It’s really bad (which makes me cautious about both the R5 and R6) But the image is as expected gorgeous.

https://wolfcrow.com/canon-1d-x-mark-iii-real-world-review-for-video-and-cinematography/

Hmm no surprises there. Another point scored by Komodo and its global shutter