currensheldon

Yea, based on the FS5, I'd say they could (if they wanted to be) the first company to add in a variable ND in a mirrorless body. Would have to make the body slightly bigger. However, this would crush FS5 sales, so I'm not sure they'll do it. They'll have to differentiate some other way (my guess).

Yea I think that's the ticket. The GH6 really does need to come out strong to have any hope in the new full-frame world:
- 120-150fps in 10-bit 4K. 
- Internal NDs (electronic or on-sensor ND). 
- V-log (13-stops instead of 11.5 or whatever GH5s ended up being). 
- Low light of GH5s with IBIS of GH5
And with the 10-25mm f1.7 - honestly, that could keep me happy for a long time. A 25-75mm f1.7 or 35-100 f2 would also be great. 
The GH5 was 2 years ahead of all other hybrid cameras and has only recently been matched by Pocket 4K (and to some degree the X-T3 and Panasonic's own S1) in codecs, specs - but still has upper hand in some regards with IBIS, photo capabilities, XLR adapter. 
So, for MFT to stay strong, they need to continue to be 2-3 years ahead with video capabilities on the GH-line. 
 

I'd say it's pretty on par with the GH5, which is excellent. I've found in other full-frame mirrorless cameras (Just Sony, since I haven't used Nikons), I found the IBIS to be pretty warpy, warbly, and only useable when standing still. But the GH5 has amazing IBIS and can be used in all situations. The S1 lives up to it, for sure - pretty amazing for a full-frame sensor. Might be why the body has some extra heft.

I do a lot of my own work, but have also been hired on quite a few jobs/episodes/pick-up shoots that are either in the Netflix/Amazon/HBO world (and require Netflix approved cameras) or some jobs that are hoping to be picked up by Netflix down the line. Obviously, Netflix buys documentaries that aren't necessarily shot in 10-bit 4K, but a lot of people want to shoot in that anyway just in case. 

Yea have to agree with Ade here and, when it comes to things that aren't acceptable in 2019, a 1.8x crop on a full frame camera and terrible RS are way higher deal breakers than autofocus for me. I've used autofocus a couple of times in a semi-professional environment (mostly just for fun) and have come to the conclusion that I still can't trust it. On jobs that truly matter or for a paying client (or my own work that I really care about), I'm manual focusing every single time. Even with the amazing Canon DPAF, it's easy for it to slip off the subject or to the background when the subject moves, moves quickly, or you are panning between subjects. And focus going from close to deep and back again during a pan is not acceptable. 
I also don't have much trouble focusing manually.
Yes, for gimbals it's nice, but the Ronin-S plugs right into the GH5 (haven't tested the S1 yet) and I can manually focus anyway. There are plenty of small, cheap, lightweight follow focuses for all the one-hand gimbals that I'd much rather use with a manual focusing prime (like Zeiss Contax, Vogitlanders, or Loxias) than trust AF. 
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As for ergonomics, the little bit of extra body weight doesn't bother me much because once I put the lens on it, the difference is pretty minimal. No, it won't be my travel and for-fun camera, but for professional work, an extra 200-300 grams doesn't bother me. 
I liked the EOS R, but there were just too many pain points and compromises. Same with the C200. I need a 10-bit 4K codec for my work. And the C300 is an ergonomic nightmare. Canon currently just has a strange lineup of cameras that are crippled in a variety of ways.
So, Panasonic, at this moment, is really my only option for my needs. 

Yep! Purchased one and have had it for a week. Initial impressions are very positive. I have never written a review on a seller's website before but felt compelled to do so for the S1. Here is what I wrote:
I have used a variety of mirrorless cameras, starting with Sony A7s and A7rII and then the GH5 and most recently the Canon EOS R. The only camera that Ive held on to long-term is the GH5, so I was very excited when I heard Panasonic was releasing a full-frame mirrorless camera. Now that it has arrived, it is truly the most professional, robust, and beautiful mirrorless camera Ive used. I bought and tested out the Canon EOS R, but found it frustrating ergonomically and with hindered video specs (big crops, no stabilization, etc), it required a lot of compromises. It took beautiful images, but for video (which is what I mostly do), the GH5 outperformed it in every way.

Next to the EOS R (and definitely all the Sonys), the Panasonic S1 feels like a true professional camera. It's a bit heavier than the other mirrorless cameras, but since I mainly use Sigmas 24-70, 18-35, or 50-100mm, once you have the lenses on there, it's not a huge difference. Its actually more comfortable because the grip is so nicely designed.

REALLY looking forward to the 10-bit, V-Log update in a couple of months as well as the Sigma EF L adapter in a few weeks. Will really help make this camera shine.

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To expand on some of those points, it really does feel like a truly professional camera. While there are plenty of mirrorless cameras that get you great results, I often feel like I am fighting the camera (like the EOS R) to have it do what I want. You can do it, it's just not that much fun. Same with Sonys - they just don't feel good and I (personally) don't enjoy using them. I also really think the Sony mirrorless and 8-bit (FS) image is seriously flawed - and that's my #1 consideration for any filmmaking tool. 
I'm in no way a Panasonic fanboy, but after trying for years to use Sony and Canon, the former with a compromise on image quality, the latter with a compromise on usability, specs, and performance, I'm finally satisfied in Panasonic world with the EVA-1, S1, and GH5. Great color, incredible image, great usability, incredible customization, all the tools and all the required specs and approved codecs. Their mount system is a mess, so looking forward to them hopefully streamlining that in the next year or two. 
Highly recommend the S1. 
 
If nothing else, this test really shows the pretty wide gap in color and image quality between Panasonic and Sony, in my opinion. S1 looks fantastic. 

Yep! Purchased one and have had it for a week. Initial impressions are very positive. I have never written a review on a seller's website before but felt compelled to do so for the S1. Here is what I wrote:
I have used a variety of mirrorless cameras, starting with Sony A7s and A7rII and then the GH5 and most recently the Canon EOS R. The only camera that Ive held on to long-term is the GH5, so I was very excited when I heard Panasonic was releasing a full-frame mirrorless camera. Now that it has arrived, it is truly the most professional, robust, and beautiful mirrorless camera Ive used. I bought and tested out the Canon EOS R, but found it frustrating ergonomically and with hindered video specs (big crops, no stabilization, etc), it required a lot of compromises. It took beautiful images, but for video (which is what I mostly do), the GH5 outperformed it in every way.

Next to the EOS R (and definitely all the Sonys), the Panasonic S1 feels like a true professional camera. It's a bit heavier than the other mirrorless cameras, but since I mainly use Sigmas 24-70, 18-35, or 50-100mm, once you have the lenses on there, it's not a huge difference. Its actually more comfortable because the grip is so nicely designed.

REALLY looking forward to the 10-bit, V-Log update in a couple of months as well as the Sigma EF L adapter in a few weeks. Will really help make this camera shine.

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To expand on some of those points, it really does feel like a truly professional camera. While there are plenty of mirrorless cameras that get you great results, I often feel like I am fighting the camera (like the EOS R) to have it do what I want. You can do it, it's just not that much fun. Same with Sonys - they just don't feel good and I (personally) don't enjoy using them. I also really think the Sony mirrorless and 8-bit (FS) image is seriously flawed - and that's my #1 consideration for any filmmaking tool. 
I'm in no way a Panasonic fanboy, but after trying for years to use Sony and Canon, the former with a compromise on image quality, the latter with a compromise on usability, specs, and performance, I'm finally satisfied in Panasonic world with the EVA-1, S1, and GH5. Great color, incredible image, great usability, incredible customization, all the tools and all the required specs and approved codecs. Their mount system is a mess, so looking forward to them hopefully streamlining that in the next year or two. 
Highly recommend the S1. 
 
If nothing else, this test really shows the pretty wide gap in color and image quality between Panasonic and Sony, in my opinion. S1 looks fantastic. 

Agree that they need to optimize the Variable ND adapter. The drop-in filter does not seem to be super secure and I don't have a lot of trust that it's keeping any dust away from my sensor. With that said, having a variable ND filter in the adapter is brilliant and truly a game changer for quick changes. But, would much rather have it in the body and electronically controlled like the FS5 - all ND filters should be like this from now on.
The EOS R is overall pretty disappointing, especially after playing around with the S1 for a few days. It really does feel like the first real professional mirrorless camera I've used that is not called a GH5. 

Was holding out hope, but after using the S1 (vs the EOS R), I'm going full Panasonic for the foreseeable future (the S1 is AWESOME). The EVA-1 is approved by all, has amazing, wide variety of codecs, and is an all around stellar camera (will need to shell out $300-400 for a monitor of course). I'm even starting to prefer Panasonic's color science to Canon's.
The EVA-1 + the S1 + the GH5 is a great three-camera lineup Panasonic has going. Excited to see them move their low-end cinema line over to L-Mount and, hopefully, an MFT mount camera too.
It would be great to either have an EVA Mini MFT with the GH5/6 being the B-Cam, or an EVA-2 L-Mount with the S1 as a B-Cam. 

Was holding out hope, but after using the S1 (vs the EOS R), I'm going full Panasonic for the foreseeable future (the S1 is AWESOME). The EVA-1 is approved by all, has amazing, wide variety of codecs, and is an all around stellar camera (will need to shell out $300-400 for a monitor of course). I'm even starting to prefer Panasonic's color science to Canon's.
The EVA-1 + the S1 + the GH5 is a great three-camera lineup Panasonic has going. Excited to see them move their low-end cinema line over to L-Mount and, hopefully, an MFT mount camera too.
It would be great to either have an EVA Mini MFT with the GH5/6 being the B-Cam, or an EVA-2 L-Mount with the S1 as a B-Cam. 

I'd definitely hold on to my MFT glass and cameras if the GH6 had 10 - 12 bit internal recording (BM Raw or ProRes Raw), 120fps in 4K, and internal NDs (the last one being the most important). As well as the IBIS of the GH5 and the low light capabilities of the GH5s.
Throw on the 10-25mm f1.7 and I could use that camera for almost everything. Some f0.95 autofocus primes would also be great. 

Gotcha - so just the firmware update announced 2-months ago and a camcorder from a month ago. Bummer. 

Seems like it might be quiet, but still holding out hope for the predictions I made in the other thread I started. Namely, a C100 Mark III or some other small form factor camera from Canon or Panasonic (think FS5 sized or smaller) in their new mounts (RF or L). 
a Black Magic BM Raw recorder would be great as well since I'm looking to switch to Da Vinci soon (also looking forward to that update).
Some other updates that would be great:
- An attachment to stick the DJI X5s on the Ronin-S would be great.
- Pricing and availability of the Panasonic 10-25mm f1.7 (or a GH6 tease).
- CFExpress official launch so we can update on XQD cameras and not be locked into Sony's cards. 
 

Seems like it might be quiet, but still holding out hope for the predictions I made in the other thread I started. Namely, a C100 Mark III or some other small form factor camera from Canon or Panasonic (think FS5 sized or smaller) in their new mounts (RF or L). 
a Black Magic BM Raw recorder would be great as well since I'm looking to switch to Da Vinci soon (also looking forward to that update).
Some other updates that would be great:
- An attachment to stick the DJI X5s on the Ronin-S would be great.
- Pricing and availability of the Panasonic 10-25mm f1.7 (or a GH6 tease).
- CFExpress official launch so we can update on XQD cameras and not be locked into Sony's cards. 
 

I do not care at all about IBIS, but a more ergonomic design and NDs would be amazing for a P4K Pro!
I seriously dislike the current form and desing. In my opinion is neither practical/interesting.
 

I'd definitely hold on to my MFT glass and cameras if the GH6 had 10 - 12 bit internal recording (BM Raw or ProRes Raw), 120fps in 4K, and internal NDs (the last one being the most important). As well as the IBIS of the GH5 and the low light capabilities of the GH5s.
Throw on the 10-25mm f1.7 and I could use that camera for almost everything. Some f0.95 autofocus primes would also be great. 

Node based workflows are superior to layers and lumetri by a long shot. That feature is one of the biggest and best that DaVinci offers. I used to think otherwise when I was using Adobe alot, but I can not work any other way.

Pretty crazy you will soon be able to shoot full-frame 8K for $6-7k. Currently, the cheapest way to do that is the Monstro for $50k+. And the cheapest 8K is the Red Helium sensor at $25k (but actually closer to $35k to actually shoot something).
Seems as though the E2 is getting lots of great reviews and I actually like the idea of a modular brain (like Red) if you can get accessories that aren't $2-5k a pop. Snag a Shinobi monitor ($400) or Swit ($200) and some Sony NPF batteries ($100 for all-day power), and you're good to go. 
The full-frame with EF Mount + something like the Sigma Art 24-70 or 24-105 would cover a ton of use cases. Definitely intrigued. 

Pretty crazy you will soon be able to shoot full-frame 8K for $6-7k. Currently, the cheapest way to do that is the Monstro for $50k+. And the cheapest 8K is the Red Helium sensor at $25k (but actually closer to $35k to actually shoot something).
Seems as though the E2 is getting lots of great reviews and I actually like the idea of a modular brain (like Red) if you can get accessories that aren't $2-5k a pop. Snag a Shinobi monitor ($400) or Swit ($200) and some Sony NPF batteries ($100 for all-day power), and you're good to go. 
The full-frame with EF Mount + something like the Sigma Art 24-70 or 24-105 would cover a ton of use cases. Definitely intrigued. 

Pretty crazy you will soon be able to shoot full-frame 8K for $6-7k. Currently, the cheapest way to do that is the Monstro for $50k+. And the cheapest 8K is the Red Helium sensor at $25k (but actually closer to $35k to actually shoot something).
Seems as though the E2 is getting lots of great reviews and I actually like the idea of a modular brain (like Red) if you can get accessories that aren't $2-5k a pop. Snag a Shinobi monitor ($400) or Swit ($200) and some Sony NPF batteries ($100 for all-day power), and you're good to go. 
The full-frame with EF Mount + something like the Sigma Art 24-70 or 24-105 would cover a ton of use cases. Definitely intrigued. 

I've used the GH5 with its latest firmware update that was specifically focused on AF, and with the 12mm f1.4, 12-60mm, and 42.5mm f1.2, I thought the autofocus did great - didn't notice a huge difference from the EOS R. Granted, most of my AF stuff is pretty simple (pushing into a subject on glidetrack, interviews, and walk and talk gimbal shots), but still the type of shots that I would think most people use AF for. 90% of my AF usage is on a gimbal. 

For stills, DPAF, Sony, Nikon all use phase detection that cause banding issues under certain lighting environment or raise the shadow.
This may or may not matter for video, but it's a concern for me since I primarily shoot stills. I've seen in various group and forum that show those artifacts make it unusable. This happens in EOS R, Sony A7/R, Nikon Z series camera. Sony A9 is the only one that doesn't exhibit this with the fast read out. It's rare occurrence but it does happens.
The easy way is to follow the pack and adopt PDAF at the expense of image quality. They won't ridicule on the net anymore.
I actually think it's bold of them to adopt a non compromise approach to image quality and go against standard practice. They are constantly attack for their choice in sticking with DFD. Despite all these ridicule, I found the latest version 1 FW AF to be usable. There is no pulsating and it's fast. It focus really fast in low light and track well enough for non sport activity. If you are using it for photo, it's a non issue while have no banding issues.
Sure the AF may not be the best, but it's more than usable since it's combination of features is the closest to being a perfect camera for me. It's also one camera I've been the most excited for. I've been a Canon users only for 10 years that was interested in Sony A7III, A7RIII, A9 etc. All those camera has compromises in some way that goes beyond features.
Panasonic S1:
Class leading EVF 5.76 million dot 120 hz Dual IS (class leading IBIS FF 6 stops) Dual card slot (first dual XQD/CFE & SD card slot combo) 4K 60 30 cropped (1st FF to offer it) | unlimited 4K 30p EyeAF and animal tracking Ergonomic and weather sealing with button logically lay out Fully touch screen LCD Back lit buttons Focus bracketing  High resolution mode 96 mpx and 187 mpx for 47 mpx sensor.  Timelapse Fully touch screen LCD  Dynamic range beat Fuji medium format, Z6, A7III, A7RIII at low ISO with clean ISO 12,800. For a $2500 S1 camera with free battery and grip, Panasonic offer a lot of class leading features. I can forgive it for not having the best AF. I'm sure they are working on FW to get it even better. 
This is their first FF mirrror less camera and it shows they really tried. I have no problem supporting a camera company that gave me such a bang for my money. There is no perfect camera, but what you are willing to compromise on. This come the closest perfect camera for me.

The Panasonic S1 does have all of that now.
It's sort of weird how much people have been ripping on the S1 - No, it's not a full-frame GH5, but with the upcoming V-Log/10-bit update, it's pretty darn close. Every other manufacturer gives us internal 8-bit 420 (Sony, Nikon, Canon), big crops (Canon), no 60 fps (everyone), etc.
Add on that Panasonic has the best ergonomics for video by far (in my opinion) and a great XLR adapter, and you have a very capable camera. 
 

After using the EOS R for three weeks straight on a shoot, I started to grow comfortable with it and ended up liking it (for the moist part). Granted, we shot in HD, so the crop wasn't an issue. Image definitely seems soft after shooting with the C200 and GH5 for a couple of years - but adding a bit of sharpening in post helps.. Also moving the focus point with the touchscreen sucks - I missed the joystick way more than I thought it would. The touch bar is terrible and I just ended up locking it. No stabilization was also a bummer as I had gotten used to the GH5 stabilization really helping in gimbal and handheld work. 
By FAR, the best part of the EOS R is the new variable ND adapter. That is a true game-changer. (Sigma needs to make a drop-in variable ND for L-Mount).
Other than that, however, I'm excited for my Panasonic S1 to come in so I can pair it up with my GH5. That's a combo I'm excited about. Also I shoot 90% of my work in 4K, so I'm sure the EOS R would start to drive me crazy with its crop - thought I do own the three good APS-C lenses for EF mount for my C200 (18-35mm, 50-100mm, 17-55mm).
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Really looking forward to see what happens at NAB with the C200 and EOS R, but if things stay the same or just slight upgrades (like C200 gets 8-bit 422...), I may end my half-in, half-out middle ground of Canon & Panasonic and go full Panny. 
But if Nikon Z6 and Canon EOS R both get raw out, then Panasonic needs to update the S1 faster than July (for V-Log and 10-bit internal) and also get raw out as well. 

The Panasonic S1 does have all of that now.
It's sort of weird how much people have been ripping on the S1 - No, it's not a full-frame GH5, but with the upcoming V-Log/10-bit update, it's pretty darn close. Every other manufacturer gives us internal 8-bit 420 (Sony, Nikon, Canon), big crops (Canon), no 60 fps (everyone), etc.
Add on that Panasonic has the best ergonomics for video by far (in my opinion) and a great XLR adapter, and you have a very capable camera.