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lol, I’m not apologizing for anything. I would never buy this camera or the r6 in it’s current state.

I’m pointing out holes in yours and others logic or lack thereof.

Yes, they work for a company but they have shown to be hard on companies about issues. You can choose to ignore what I said and what they said in the July 9th video all you want.

Andrew sells his own presets here, does that mean you don’t trust him to review someone else’s? 

Enjoy your echo chamber! 
 

I stated that I *just* watched the first impressions video, which is not titled a review. 
 

Are you just going to ignore the screenshot that I posted? The actual review states in the title and within the video that overheating is a huge problem.

6 minutes ago, ajay said:

Ummm... Although I do like Chris and Jordan, their very first review DID NOT mention overheating at all. I reached out to Jordan about this and he stated that they hadn't encountered the overheating during their initial testing and stated they would do a more thorough test of the camera once they had a production unit. This was on July 10th that I wrote to him.

That is the first hands on review, is it not? Even if it was not their first hands on with it, they most definitely highlight how much of an issue overheating is.

My overall point is that certain people are designated as “bad” here and subsequently made to be completely dishonest villains who are out to screw us all over.

*so I just watched the July 9 video, they clearly state they do not have a full production R5 at the start of the video. This is exactly why I’m saying that people either ignore or choose to lie about things to further their own agenda.  They very likely *did not* encounter overheating at that point as they were doing a first impressions video.

1 hour ago, Davos said:

Can't trust a word Jordan or Chris say after they completely glossed over the overheating issues in their first 'reviews' of these cameras.

It would have been completely obvious within minutes that shooting stills affects the video modes. They said nothing. It would blindindly obvious the BS 'cool down' times were far too long. Again they said nothing.

This pair of shills were happy to pull the wool over prospective customers eyes, just click the affiliate link below.

The blind zealotry of this place reminds me reduser. The first review Chris and Jordan posted has overheating in the title and is heavily highlighted in the video. *You* are the one spitting lies here.
 

This is forum is the *only* place I consistently see hate directed towards Chris and Jordan, who by most accounts are actually good guys. 
 

I’m all for making fun of the Northrups and all the types like that, but give me a break.

If you want raw, it’s the ninja and only pro res raw. The BM recorders will do 10bit 422

Just now, thebrothersthre3 said:

Looks like an external recorder is a good solution for the NR issue, plus you get 12 bit color etc.. Guessing no 120p 12 bit prores RAW though. 

Ya, not possible with the Ninja V. Probably in the next recorder they launch?

12 minutes ago, thebrothersthre3 said:

I am not seeing much noise difference in that comparison shot.

Did you watch the video? It’s pretty night and day when in motion.

Just now, thebrothersthre3 said:

Does prores RAW not have noise reduction?

No, it’s raw. You apply noise reduction after the fact.

2 hours ago, Trek of Joy said:

First I have the camera on order.

Don't get so defensive, its a joke - hence the "LOL!" No hate or jealousy, every damn review gets shill comments. Its become the thing if you don't agree with their conclusions - like the silly banging about color science or filmic, or cinematic - you know things that can't actually be quantified. Its a great review and I like Bloom because he's so through in his testing. There's nothing in there that makes me want to cancel my order and it mostly just gets me more excited to start shooting with it.

Chris

Never said anything about his talent, I said grab a coffee because its 75 minutes long. And the shill comment was a joke, guess the LOL part wasn't clear. Where do people come up with this stuff?

 I was talking about in context of all the PB hate. I read your post as it was intended, so you did no wrong 🙂

21 minutes ago, Snowfun said:

Why the hostility towards PB? 
As far as I can tell (my camera won’t be delivered until September) he presents a reasonable and balanced opinion. And he states it is an opinion, that he was paid for the two short films and on no account should one buy an A7Siii based on his review....
He certainly isn’t a “shill”. 

 

Because jealousy.

I’m certainly going to take the word of an accomplished cameraman like Bloom over a bunch of trolls. He’s been shooting longer then a lot of posters have probably been alive 😂

You can dislike his grading or whatever but to say he isn’t talented or that he is biased is a joke. 

On 7/19/2020 at 8:12 PM, hijodeibn said:

my gosh...who threw peanuts to the monkeys?

lol, this clown is going through my post history and downvoting everything. What a cesspool.

2 minutes ago, SteveV4D said:

I think you'll find others here shoot as a fulltime job too.  😉

Canon hasn't given people want they want.  I don't recall people asking for 8K RAW.  In fact, 4K RAW is arguably needed far more than 8K RAW.  I don't recall peole asking for clip limits, overheating issues.  In fact, Canon users have always spoken against Sony cameras for overheating, praising Canon for not chasing gimmicks whilst taking their time and releasing a reliable camera to use.  Very few asked to lose that for the sake of 8K.

I'm not denying this is an innovative camera that is pushing what technology can do.  I've no doubt it will be a great tool for photographers who are also shooting the odd video and videographers who are primarily shooting short clips.  Most cameras has issues of some sort or another.  I use the Pocket 4K a lot.  No flip screen,  no IBIS, no AF to speak of and no weather sealant.  Its not a perfect camera.  Neither is the R5.  

My statement on working professionals was more hyperbole than anything.

My point isn’t that Canon made a perfect camera at all, but that it’s laughable how much people are finding *wrong* with it as opposed to all the huge positives. I would kill for a S1H level camera from Canon, but I doubt we will get it.

Look at previous cameras in relation to the R5/R6 and I’d say they are very functional pieces of *equipment* when you use them in the proper workflows.

My biggest takeaway from all of this is that there are *always* trade offs.  The S1H would be my perfect camera if it had real AF functionality. The XT4 would be my perfect camera if it had unlimited record times and internal 422 10bit. The Canons would be perfect if they had unlimited recording and no overheating. 
 

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18 hours ago, Neumann Films said:

Here is the work that I will be using it for that it makes perfect sense to utilize:

- Short Films

- Music Videos

- Commercials

- Stock Footage

- Pro Stills

- BTS

- YouTube videos

I previously used a RED Helium for this work and just sold it for this. That saved me $25,000.

I don’t do weddings or corporate stuff so it’s not an issue for me. You know how you overcome little issues like overheating? You practice and use the camera enough to know it’s quirks and then you shoot/plan around them.

Thank you being the voice of reason and probably one of the only people posting who shoots as a full time job.
 

Canon pulls out all the stops and give people what they want with some reasonable caveats and it’s not good enough. 

You just can’t win in this game.

Hey, one positive about posts like this: Alt right assholes and Nazi sympathizers have no problem exposing themselves. Don’t let the door (or maybe some riot police?) hit you on the way out guys 🙂

No mention of bit depth etc, wishful thinking that they’ve added 10bit 4:2:2?

19 minutes ago, RWR said:

Dunno..that's pretty cryptic 

Re removing the clip time limit of XT3, doesn't that cam overheat at times?

Yes, there is inconsistent overheating. Hopefully some improvements via body size and efficiency allow overheating to be a thing of the past.

10 minutes ago, TrueIndigo said:

I don't know, you're probably right; be interesting to see how it shakes out. Everyone has their ideas, ultimately we'll have to wait for the Fuji announcement.

I’m saying there is no grey area, Fuji announced they X-T4. YouTubers and random commenters keep perpetuating the idea that some sports camera is coming. There isn’t.

However, I am sure that we will see a few body carryovers from the X-H1 line.

25 minutes ago, TrueIndigo said:

On his YouTube channel Theoria Apophasis believes it's too early on the T series cycle to be an X-T4, so perhaps an H camera with a built-in battery grip to mark the Japanese Olympic Games. If so, expect it to be at least the launch price of a X-H1 plus the battery grip, maybe a bit more. Be interesting to see how this one shapes up, and what gets carried over in a firmware update for existing X-T3 owners. Fuji is very much on it at the moment.

That’s great but Fujifilm announced the development of the X-T4. You really think they are pulling a quick one on us and someone random YouTube person knows better?

Not exactly what you are asking for, but a similar visual:

4 hours ago, mercer said:

Ugh... why do all of the posts from people asking for opinions on specific cameras turn into discussions why the OP should buy an entirely different camera instead? I get why someone might say, have you thought about a D750 or a7s but to say just get a small sensor mirrorless and a speedbooster... sorry but that is not the same thing as a FF camera. And it’s nowhere near the same thing as shooting FF Raw on a Canon 5D.

Because his budget isn't realistic for having anything workable? What's the point of a hacked 5d if he won't be able to afford any decent lenses, storage or a monitor to see what he is doing? He would be much better served by something like a g7 with a speedbooster. Nobody was being condescending or rude, there is no problem.

I would much rather use all the Nikon lenses personally.

There is generally a huge difference between the knock offs and the legit speedboosters. Maybe one exists now, but previously it was night and day.

6 minutes ago, Aquilasfx said:

What about 12-35 2.8 ii? 

Instead of an adapter? Or to go along with it?

2 hours ago, HurtinMinorKey said:

So this looks like a merge between the BMCC, BMPC and BMPCC lines.  Same sensor size as the original BMPC.  And a form factor much enhanced but somewhere between the BMCC/BMPC and BMPCC in size. 

No, it's an oversized micro 4/3 sensor.

Because XL is for full frame lenses and will get you closest to the original fov.