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10 minutes ago, JKTReed said:

Well I'll be damned. I just downgraded to 1.40 and behold - the problem is gone! Thanks so much for all your input, everyone. You saved me, here :-) 

Awesome!  Glad to hear it's sorted.

Search Google for nx1 downgrade

11 minutes ago, JKTReed said:

Yes. I know this issue was present with the first firmware but was rectified with 1.2. However since 1.4.1 it's back. 

http://downloadcenter.samsung.com/content/FM/201508/20150821161049567/NX1_FW_v1.40_sec.zip

1.40 here

Tried resetting it?

May find this useful...

Lots of useful info in this thread and I thank you all for taking the time. I've gone for the NX1, it just seems to offer everything I want and a lot more in terms of features and image quality, the only real negative is that it's a dead system.

It doesn't offer the AF lenses I usually use for stills but it seems manual focus is the way to go over time anyway. I have some rokkors laying around to try in the meantime and will also look at FD.

Thanks again

1 hour ago, Kisaha said:

I consider dual pixel a league of its own, nothing else is so stable and reliable, it is the only one I have professionally use (Canon C100mkII).

I also use the NX1 (with the cheap PZ lens) on Ronin gimbals and the focus is right like 19/20 times, actually from all the good takes, none had an AF issue, so I am guessing that it could have lost the odd one.

I am not really using AF for anything else, as it isn't there yet, to keep shooting auto. In video you need full control, and it is better to loose a second to focus, than have an hour long take with the AF hunting back and forth and whatnot. Full auto in video is not an option, yet.

Philip Bloom has an AF test, and even though didn't took a lot of NX tests, it was very reliable for such an old camera and Sony cameras were a mixed bag, DP AF was the best of course.

Thanks Kisaha, very helpful post, looking back at everything that's been said and my requirements it seems that the best quality all rounder is the NX1, even though it's a dead system it just offers so much and the quality of the video I've seen is fantastic. It's going to cost more than I wanted to spend but what's new there.

It seems it may also be worth considering the nx1, what's the AF like guys? Is it on par with A6300 and Canon DP? Thanks

5 minutes ago, Phil A said:

Usually yes, but sometimes I'd like to shoot FHD with my A6300 because the extreme rolling shutter in UHD will limit what I could do. It's just that the FHD is so bad (not quite sharp, has moire and aliasing) that you can't really intercut it with downsampled UHD, people notice (even the non-geeks).

That's a good point, have you compared the AF to a Canon with DP or A6000? Thanks

8 hours ago, Kisaha said:

It is not curious, it is very well documented by every reviewer, the a6300/a6500 1080p is of very bad quality.

"1080 video is surprisingly poor by current standards, even taking a step backward from the original a6000, and falling far behind what the company's own RX100 cameras are capable of."

Also, I add this,  "the 120p and 100p modes of Full HD video are shot using a smaller, 1.14x crop in from here and 30p 4K imposes a still tighter, 1.23x crop.

Cropping has several effects: it means you need a shorter focal length to achieve a wide-angle shot and also means that your noise performance worsens, since you're effectively using a smaller sensor area. In 4K/30p mode, the a6500 is using a sensor area a fraction larger than a Four Thirds sensor."

But isn't the point to shoot it in 4k and downsample to 1080p? Is there any reason I'd use 30p in Europe? Better to have slow motion than not though?

Doesn't the 70d line skip at 1080p and have no 4k though?

2 hours ago, OxfordDavid said:

I've spent probably too long thinking about the same issue, and should probably just get out there and keep filming more with my 5d3. But in case it helps, to summarise where I got to... accepting there are lots of ways to make great videos, if you want 1) reasonable AF in video 2) acceptable sound from the camera or a hot-shoe mounted mic in a quiet environment, and 3) camera/lens stabilisation without a gimbal, etc then the list is fairly small. Even more so if you want 4k, although it doesn't sound like that is an issue for you?

As others have said looking at Philip Bloom's tests and others, only really the Sony A6500 or Canon 70/80d autofocus (from your list) give reasonable performance. If you go with Canon and want IS and no autofocus noise then the options are small - 18-55 or 18-135 STM/nano-USM lenses. With the Sony you have the option of IS on a zoom, e.g. 16-70 or 18-105, as well as IBIS with the quieter sony primes e.g. 24/1.8 E, 55/1.8 FE (if you can live with focus breathing on the latter) which will give you more options, all while keeping on-camera sound reasonable.

As others have said you could go with a G80/G85, or for more money the OMD EM-1 ii, but neither autofocus nearly as well.

Happy to be disagreed with though - always good to learn!

I seem to be getting to the same conclusion tbh, I'm a bit of a shallow dof junkie though and standard zoom's in terms of size and speed don't really provide the look I'd like to achieve. I wanted to keep this project under 1.5k but it seems to be going well over that.

M43 is out of the picture tbh. Apsc is as small as I want to go. It doesn't help the 5div is a 1.7x crop in 4k either. A7rii seems the way to go but it's so damn expensive and after years of using Sony I'm not sure I trust then to dump another mount... plus the depreciation. 

Nikon (my choice for stills) is amazing but they are nowhere in terms of AF for video. Their colour science and sensor performance combined with Sony sensors is brilliant though.

31 minutes ago, Kisaha said:

I just said that from your words it seems like the camera you currently have is the most appropriate for you.

The only auto focus system I have ever used professionally is the one in Canon C100 mark II. I have used the A7ii, A7Sii, a6300, a6500, mainly with EF lenses. The a6500+18-105 combo was the most pleasant (and closer to my style for a hybrid camera).

I don't dislike equipment, it just tools, and those kind of Sony cameras are missing a lot of the things that are important for me; I am not on the target group of these cameras as it seem, not even close..

Blockbusters have audio departments of hundreds of people, amateurs use small external mics, usually on the shoe mount, you asked about internal mics, so I guessed that you care about audio a bit, and this is a very specialized forum, so one expects a more advanced approach.

You should check the Canon M series as well, if you are willing to check Canon cameras they are interesting alternatives (especially the M6, similar experience to your 5100 with the full touch screen controls, but with the gravity of Canon), and you can add a Rode video micro for some extra audio quality (the difference is huge in my opinion). Plus it has an interesting 5 axis stabilization - which is software based 100%!, but it is there, and as I said, the best AF system in industry. 

Thanks, I think I misinterpreted your response previously. I don't hate internal mic quality but I do hate the unnatural chatter/grind of lens af. I've used pretty much every system and high end lens for stills but like I said... video options are still fairly new to me so why not learn from more advanced users instead.

Sony always seem to cripple a model to add another.... and another. It's a shame but that's the way it goes. 

21 minutes ago, IronFilm said:

Considering that the a5100 has Sony's very successful 24 megapixel sensor plus XAVCS, I'd say the Canon is almost certainly a step down in video quality from an a5100 (I owned one).

 

I wouldn't move backwards and hitch your cart  the dying Canon. Either stick with Sony, or buy Panasonic. 

I like Panasonic output and the m43 lens choice but m43 seems to struggle with af.

36 minutes ago, Kisaha said:

What do you mean "stabilization could be an issue with the Canon", how the a5100 is better for Canon in that (or any) matter?

Onboard mics are easily affected by even the placement of your hands, AF noise, zoom noise, record terrible sound, those Sonys do not even have a mic input (even a few dozen $ mic would be sound better than the onboard) and the a5100 doesn't even have a shoe mount.

Just stay with the A5100, from your posts it seems like it is the best camera for you, and you do not have to spend more money for buys.

I thought that was quite self explanatory in my comment about the lenses.

Have you used the A5100 or Sony system? Native E mount lenses are silent. Why do I need a shoe mount, I dont plan on using a external mic. Im not filming a blockbuster.

Im trying to gain a better understanding of the Canon system and weighing up pros and cons, how do my posts show a bias to the Sony system? You seem to dislike them though.

1 hour ago, Andrew Reid said:

It compares well. Much more bullet proof.

The video quality isn't much a step up from the A5100 though, considering they are double and triple the price.

Thanks Andrew, looking into the system as a whole a bit more it seems stabilisation could be an issue with the Canon, I don't want to buy a gimbal and the usm lenses seem to chatter so that leaves the non IS stm primes. Are any of the usm IS lenses quiet enough to use onboard mic? At least Sony have the 35 and 50 OSS.

I see finding a video setup to cover what should be pretty basic stuff is as much of a pita as a stills setup.

Thanks to you all for taking the time to post such detailed responses, will have a ponder.

51 minutes ago, Kisaha said:

Canon's dual pixel AF is considered as the best in industry, and I believe it is so.

Sony 5100/6000 are old cameras, surpassed by many cameras from most manufacturers the last couple of years.

Canon's aren't especially techy, but a lot of people found them sufficient for amateur/v-logging/hobbyist use, and they are said to have the best color science, at least they produce pleasant images.

The Sonys you are mentioning are mirrorless cameras, and the Canon's dSLRs, different things. The Canon mirrorless series is called M, M5 and M6 must be ok for your use, maybe you should do some more homework, and clear some things out.

I understand they are surpassed by other cameras with 4k etc but the Af is still better than most in terms of tracking during video mode, m43 certainly can't keep up. I know the difference between a dslr and a csc I've used both types for many years alongside for stills and some video, I asked if the canon DP system can keep up with the Sony during video tracking from those that have used both.

I don't really need to do homework with regards other cameras as I've narrowed the choice down already and what should I clear out?

Nobody used both?

Hi All,

I've been a long time still shooter and starting to get into video more, I own the a5100 which is pretty great in terms of AF and the touch screen but now considering adding a canon 70/77/80d.

I was wondering what Canons AF is like compared to the A5100/A6000 in terms of subject tracking and acquisition with moving subjects like people/kids?

Many thanks in advance