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Call me cynical but …

Call me cynical but …

A7sIIi sensor
4K60p in 4:2:2 10-bit all-intra
4K120p in a future firmware update
5 axis steadyshot
S-Log 3/S-Cinetone
MI Hot Shoe Mount
$2,200
Watching that presentation, this camera has some very smart and practical AI features for the target market.
They'll sell a boatload of them.

It apparently will be called the ZV-E or ZV-E1 and seems to essentially be an A7Siii in the rangefinder-ish body of the A7c.
The following specs are from rumour sites so take with a pinch of salt but if this is accurate then it will be an interesting release.
12MP sensor from the Sony a7s III 4k 60p and 4k 120p video (no crop) Max ISO of 409,600 No pixel binning AF from a7R V, but it has even better detection New AI features Priced expected to be under $2,500 4k 120p could come later with a firmware update  
 

Apropos of not much really but looking at this in the camera shop today it’s interesting that here in Japan it is marketed as the G9 PRO II but not in the US/EU/UK etc 
Maybe there is hope yet for a smaller bodied non ‘PRO’ version.

The startup time on my S5ii is long to the point of me always thinking the battery is flat.
Really annoying.
I’ve had the unexplained drain as well with a battery that was in for a few weeks.
Oddly enough, I’ve just pulled the camera out of my bag to see the lever has moved itself into the ON position whilst travelling (another annoyance as it’s too easy for that to happen) and of course I was fully expecting the battery to be flat and it is still full.
So the secret to not draining the battery when it is off might well be to leave the fucker switched on !

I hope that unlike the Z9/Z8 that Nikon have got their supply act together otherwise it could be a long wait to get one even at the new price.
It looks to have the same/similar processing clout in it as the big cameras so who knows whether that might be an option further down the line.
Unless RED have got a super specific patent on "RAW video shot at above 23.89999999 fps inside a camera shell that looks quite reminiscent of classic SLR cameras from the 20th century made by a manufacturer whose name begins with N and who were founded on 25 July 1917 at roughly midday local time".
Because they might well have 😉
 

The startup time on my S5ii is long to the point of me always thinking the battery is flat.
Really annoying.
I’ve had the unexplained drain as well with a battery that was in for a few weeks.
Oddly enough, I’ve just pulled the camera out of my bag to see the lever has moved itself into the ON position whilst travelling (another annoyance as it’s too easy for that to happen) and of course I was fully expecting the battery to be flat and it is still full.
So the secret to not draining the battery when it is off might well be to leave the fucker switched on !

Yeah, when they see you walking in they start rubbing their hands and when you walk out with nothing they end up stroking their chins!
GH1 falls into that no man’s land of being too old for their customer’s to find appealing but still not yet old enough to be considered appealing as a retro purchase for them.
Basically it’s in the same ballpark as the base level Ford Sierra!
Hard Off have one in red with the 14-140 but it’s about £180 which is a bit steep I think.
Like I’ll have any money left anyway once the demands for twenty packs of Instax film a day situation kicks in tomorrow 

Live from Tokyo
She even wanted it in hipster brown with the retro case to match.
The man who served me in MapCamera knows me from all my previous visits of excess and was expecting me to ask for a Z9 so was a bit weirded out !
 

Give us a livestream! ha
I want a brown retro case for my Fujifilm X-A3 too! Lost the case one night while out drinking, but phew, didn't lose the camera itself!!

Did he give you the same look the Berlin camera store gives me when I go in to rummage through their 5 euro trash lenses bucket?
If you come across any red or gold GH1 in map camera I would encourage you to splash out!! They are fun, especially with an F0.95 Voigtlander
You can recreate my Tokyo film with it, just be sure to apply the hack to make it true 24p and English menus!

Live from Tokyo
She even wanted it in hipster brown with the retro case to match.
The man who served me in MapCamera knows me from all my previous visits of excess and was expecting me to ask for a Z9 so was a bit weirded out !
 

Live from Tokyo
She even wanted it in hipster brown with the retro case to match.
The man who served me in MapCamera knows me from all my previous visits of excess and was expecting me to ask for a Z9 so was a bit weirded out !
 

The size of the arsehole when said earwig has been created by Panasonic's MFT design team.

If I was Blackmagic, I’d skip the L mount and be beating a path to Nikon’s door to use the Z mount.
Natively, you can get fast Z primes up to 800mm so there is a much broader range there whereas L mount tops out at 135mm but it’s the adaptability where it scores.
Adapters for EF with autofocus, E mount with autofocus, even any manual focus lens with M mount and deeper mount can have autofocus too and even PL mount with integral variable ND filter.
Last but by no means least F mount with full autofocus, something which no other mount can offer.
Between these adapters a customer for this speculated BM camera could use pretty much any lens they’ve acquired over the years with full autofocus. Minus X mount and of course L mount itself but weirdly with the MFT to E mount you can even use those lenses too.
Z mount is hands down the most versatile mount around* with the added bonus of BM not having to deal with Leica who, let’s not forget, wouldn’t do firmware to make their cameras compatible with an adapter from one of the actual members of the alliance. My MC-21 still isn’t and won’t ever be compatible with my Leica T or SL.
Nikon are unlikely to get into the true cinema camera market so there is less perceived challenge versus Panasonic who are very likely to want to do so with an L mount cinema offering in the near future.
 
 
 

 
 
 
 
*This amazing and comprehensive compatibility didn’t of course stop me somewhat hypocritically not buying into Z mount and spending all my money that I’d intended to use on increasing my L mount collection of lenses instead 🙂

I found the breaking point.
Fuji Instax Mini Evo.

I don't actually own one so will have to buy it when we get there.
A bit of a Pyrrhic vvictory then but in the battle of wills with your kids you'll take whatever win you can.

In response to the rise in video conferencing during COVID both Panasonic and Sony release bridge applications to allow a lot of their cameras to show up as webcams.
The Panasonic one will work with your GH5 but if you are buying something dedicated then it also works with their earwig exit aperture compliant G100 MFT camera which is a good value nowadays.
https://av.jpn.support.panasonic.com/support/global/cs/soft/download/lumix_webcam.html
Sony’s version is a bit more broad as it also includes the compact fixed lens cameras as well as a lot of earlier cameras that you can now pick up used at a good price including some FF options.
https://support.d-imaging.sony.co.jp/app/webcam/en/download/
 
 
 

I don't think anyone is questioning the future of Panasonic though ?
It is where they are at and/or heading within this specific format that is under discussion as they are in rude health within the FF market.
Again, the camera (which as I've said umpteen times looks very good) and the form/format are very different things.
The idea of a compact system that offers the "optimal balance of high image quality, compactness and lightweight in cameras with interchangeable lenses" to quote the actual MFT organisation itself is surely challenged when it becomes the same size as a full frame system from the same manufacturer.
We need to examine the word 'dead' in the context of what it actually means to a camera system.
It isn't 'dead' as in the absolute discontinuation of all MFT products.
Which means it isn't yet 'dead' in terms of the stated ethos of it as a format by the MFT organisation as, if nothing else, BMD have just released a camera that actually fits within those aims. We also don't know whether Panasonic might also have a camera up their sleeves (or in their pocket) that will more closely align with that ethos.
I'd say that a more appropriate word, as it currently stands, would more likely be 'moribund'.
In a hippier time, it might be described as the 'scene' being 'dead' (man).
Indicating that what it was is not currently what it is.
But what it is might well work for many people so thats all fine too.
I was using it to provide some light relief to this thread 🙂
And to show my own innate hypocrisy and how you can't really rely on the meanderings of a random old fella on the internet.
 
I emphatically agree with both of you that the notion of all MFT cameras having to be small is both a nonsense and ludicrous.
Which is why I haven't actually stated that.
Equally, the notion that all MFT cameras having to be the same size as a FF camera is also both a nonsense and ludicrous.
There is room for both.
Its just that Panasonic haven't released one for three years which was the ill fated (but actually not without its merits) G100.

With the 12-32m kit lens it was around £600 before it was discontinued and it really did fit with the ethos of MFT as we originally understood it and how the MFT organisation still describe it.
It showed that when motivated by hatred (Sony's dominance of the vlogging market) that Panasonic could still do it despite the intervening four years prior to that (the G80 launch) they had been making ever bigger bodies.
Time marches on, of course, and things change so if the price that has to be paid now (physically and literally) to move the story along from the G80 (which unlike the G100 had IBIS) in terms of video spec then so be it.
Of course, Panasonic are not the only MFT player in town so maybe Olympus will offer that alternative.
Yes, the extra reach of the 100-400 on MFT would need the Sigma 150-600 to equal on FF L mount which results in a significant size disadvantage.
This is an example where it makes sense both as a format in general anyway but also as a camera itself, if the price to pay for that performance has to be that form factor.
Thus far, it appears that it must because there is no alternative with that spec.
Maybe I will pre-order one after all 😂

Stop making me want to buy stuff.
My family will be planning an intervention at this rate.

I wonder what you are more likely to find in most homes, an Ikea Billy bookcase or a Canon EF24-105mm f4?
Its a close call, I reckon.
They shifted so many of them in bundles with the 5DMK2 amongst other cameras because it was absolute bargain as an additional price standalone let alone versus buying a 24-70mm f2.8.
Do they do the same with the RF version ?
Because that would be the way forward to chuck those in with the camera as a bundle with the lens being at 50% of what it would cost extra which is exactly what Panasonic are doing with the S1 with their 24-105mm
As it stands, its the fat part of £1300 for the RF24-105mm which is just not appealing at all.
The Z and L mount both have the same problem to some extent but the third party range is what gives the other two the advantage not to mention E mount which just keeps motoring along with options everywhere.
Of course, there is the massive back catalogue of EF to adapt onto RF but, unlike Nikon with the F mount adapter, this is nothing unique as all the other mounts can do that too.
If I bought an RF camera, I definitely think that it wouldn't see a native RF lens for a very long time and thats probably been enough to keep me away so far as I can do that with everything else but also have affordable native glass too.
As it stands, the most flexible mount is Z mount (primarily due to the unique ability to have F mount with full AF) closely followed by the E mount.
E and L mount currently have the best options in affordable fast native lenses and Nikon are catching up.
The key to that, of course, is the 3rd party support most notably from Sigma.

I don't think anyone is questioning the future of Panasonic though ?
It is where they are at and/or heading within this specific format that is under discussion as they are in rude health within the FF market.
Again, the camera (which as I've said umpteen times looks very good) and the form/format are very different things.
The idea of a compact system that offers the "optimal balance of high image quality, compactness and lightweight in cameras with interchangeable lenses" to quote the actual MFT organisation itself is surely challenged when it becomes the same size as a full frame system from the same manufacturer.
We need to examine the word 'dead' in the context of what it actually means to a camera system.
It isn't 'dead' as in the absolute discontinuation of all MFT products.
Which means it isn't yet 'dead' in terms of the stated ethos of it as a format by the MFT organisation as, if nothing else, BMD have just released a camera that actually fits within those aims. We also don't know whether Panasonic might also have a camera up their sleeves (or in their pocket) that will more closely align with that ethos.
I'd say that a more appropriate word, as it currently stands, would more likely be 'moribund'.
In a hippier time, it might be described as the 'scene' being 'dead' (man).
Indicating that what it was is not currently what it is.
But what it is might well work for many people so thats all fine too.
I was using it to provide some light relief to this thread 🙂
And to show my own innate hypocrisy and how you can't really rely on the meanderings of a random old fella on the internet.
 
I emphatically agree with both of you that the notion of all MFT cameras having to be small is both a nonsense and ludicrous.
Which is why I haven't actually stated that.
Equally, the notion that all MFT cameras having to be the same size as a FF camera is also both a nonsense and ludicrous.
There is room for both.
Its just that Panasonic haven't released one for three years which was the ill fated (but actually not without its merits) G100.

With the 12-32m kit lens it was around £600 before it was discontinued and it really did fit with the ethos of MFT as we originally understood it and how the MFT organisation still describe it.
It showed that when motivated by hatred (Sony's dominance of the vlogging market) that Panasonic could still do it despite the intervening four years prior to that (the G80 launch) they had been making ever bigger bodies.
Time marches on, of course, and things change so if the price that has to be paid now (physically and literally) to move the story along from the G80 (which unlike the G100 had IBIS) in terms of video spec then so be it.
Of course, Panasonic are not the only MFT player in town so maybe Olympus will offer that alternative.
Yes, the extra reach of the 100-400 on MFT would need the Sigma 150-600 to equal on FF L mount which results in a significant size disadvantage.
This is an example where it makes sense both as a format in general anyway but also as a camera itself, if the price to pay for that performance has to be that form factor.
Thus far, it appears that it must because there is no alternative with that spec.
Maybe I will pre-order one after all 😂

I don't think anyone is questioning the future of Panasonic though ?
It is where they are at and/or heading within this specific format that is under discussion as they are in rude health within the FF market.
Again, the camera (which as I've said umpteen times looks very good) and the form/format are very different things.
The idea of a compact system that offers the "optimal balance of high image quality, compactness and lightweight in cameras with interchangeable lenses" to quote the actual MFT organisation itself is surely challenged when it becomes the same size as a full frame system from the same manufacturer.
We need to examine the word 'dead' in the context of what it actually means to a camera system.
It isn't 'dead' as in the absolute discontinuation of all MFT products.
Which means it isn't yet 'dead' in terms of the stated ethos of it as a format by the MFT organisation as, if nothing else, BMD have just released a camera that actually fits within those aims. We also don't know whether Panasonic might also have a camera up their sleeves (or in their pocket) that will more closely align with that ethos.
I'd say that a more appropriate word, as it currently stands, would more likely be 'moribund'.
In a hippier time, it might be described as the 'scene' being 'dead' (man).
Indicating that what it was is not currently what it is.
But what it is might well work for many people so thats all fine too.
I was using it to provide some light relief to this thread 🙂
And to show my own innate hypocrisy and how you can't really rely on the meanderings of a random old fella on the internet.
 
I emphatically agree with both of you that the notion of all MFT cameras having to be small is both a nonsense and ludicrous.
Which is why I haven't actually stated that.
Equally, the notion that all MFT cameras having to be the same size as a FF camera is also both a nonsense and ludicrous.
There is room for both.
Its just that Panasonic haven't released one for three years which was the ill fated (but actually not without its merits) G100.

With the 12-32m kit lens it was around £600 before it was discontinued and it really did fit with the ethos of MFT as we originally understood it and how the MFT organisation still describe it.
It showed that when motivated by hatred (Sony's dominance of the vlogging market) that Panasonic could still do it despite the intervening four years prior to that (the G80 launch) they had been making ever bigger bodies.
Time marches on, of course, and things change so if the price that has to be paid now (physically and literally) to move the story along from the G80 (which unlike the G100 had IBIS) in terms of video spec then so be it.
Of course, Panasonic are not the only MFT player in town so maybe Olympus will offer that alternative.
Yes, the extra reach of the 100-400 on MFT would need the Sigma 150-600 to equal on FF L mount which results in a significant size disadvantage.
This is an example where it makes sense both as a format in general anyway but also as a camera itself, if the price to pay for that performance has to be that form factor.
Thus far, it appears that it must because there is no alternative with that spec.
Maybe I will pre-order one after all 😂

Stop making me want to buy stuff.
My family will be planning an intervention at this rate.

Do we need 8K?
Find out why I have changed my mind here.
https://www.eoshd.com/news/the-great-8k-debate-why-i-have-changed-my-mind
And yes the Sigma Fp-L and Sony a1 have something to do with it 🙂