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Coming from the C100 which I can use up to 8000 iso without too much noise I have found the GX85 to struggle in lowlight even with a fast 1.7 lens. 1600 is ok but 3200 is borderline and 6400 quite horrid.

I've been looking for a smaller lighter camera to use when filming weddings and lower budget run and gun projects as the C100 can get quite heavy when using it all day. I had been thinking about the possibility of a lightweight GX85 and GH5 (if it turns out as everyone hopes) combo for weddings along with fast lenses (I have the panny 25 1.7 and 42.5 1.7 as well as SLR magic 12 T1.6) but even with these lenses the cameras seem to struggle with noise. I know the Sony a7s would be a good choice but it would be too expensive to jump to sony at the moment as I always take 2 cameras to live events.

It's a tough choice!

4 minutes ago, mercer said:

No, it's not close at all. The XC10 wins in every category except for shallow depth of field. The XC10 is a professional camera. The 1080p in  it is almost as good as the 4K in the GX85. I actually like it more. But I do like lenses and there is just something really cool about using small c-mount and m4/3 lenses with 5-Axis ibis. My $20 Cosmicar 25mm and my $80 Sigma 19mm just work brilliantly with that camera.

I am definitely going all in with Canon. I just need to decide if it's worth keeping a $600 camera for specific projects that can benefit from the specific look and footprint the GX85 offers.

Even low light?

I mean the XC10 at f2.8 out performs the GX85 at f1.7 in lowlight?

Is there any benefit of using the metabones XL over native fast lenses like the SLR magic and Voitlanders?

On 1 de marzo de 2016 at 11:55 AM, DriftProductions said:

Best thing I have ever done selling my Nikon D750 and prime lenses and getting the G7 with Metabones Speedbooster XL! 

Such a killer combo, thanks for the great review @Andrew Reid I'm new to videography this is my first video and stoked with the performance of this little cam

 

Very nice video. 

I have been experimenting with the GX85 for weddings. I usually use a canon C100 which is fantastic but heavy! My problem with the Panasonic is that it falls apart quickly after 1600 ( I have Panasonic 1.7 lenses) and it is sometimes hard to maintain exposure and colours from shot to shot.

I saw that you low light stuff looked pretty good with the G7 but did you use extra lighting in the dance and when they cut the cake?

41 minutes ago, mercer said:

Very true. The only issue I have with the camera is for narratives, I really need a complimentary camera for that shallow depth... I just cannot afford a C100 for the spec shorts I work on. If only Canon would release a C1... A one inch sensor camera with interchangeable lenses. The BMPCC has proven you can obtain a shallow depth with a small sensor and fast lens combo. 1080 (and maybe the 220mbps 4K) and Canon LOG with the eos-m mount for around 2 grand and I'd hand over my money. 

This is where Canon could find a real winner. A simple but ergonomic form factor like the XC10 but with interchangeable lenses, built in NDs, IBIS and the Canon look and ease of use.

A low light test of the xc10 vs the gx85 would be very interesting! The gx85 is poor above 1600 imho

Did Andrew Reid ever publish his updated review of the XC10 after his trip to Italy?

28 minutes ago, Kisaha said:

It is definitely a very interesting little cam, maybe a bit too early. How much ISO does it really stand, and can anyone compare the ISO capabilities with any other dSLR or S35 camera?

I'm interested to know this as well. It's what worries me about the camera.

Has anyone tried the new firmware? Has it improved the XC10?

5 hours ago, mercer said:

I have, it was one of the reasons I bought it. S16 lenses will cover down to about 20mm. 1" TV lenses will just cover down to about 12.5mm. On a lens that wide, if you move to quickly, the image will fall off the edge... You can actually see the vignette float into frame. This is where the e-stabilizer helps to give you a little more crop.

I'm still unsure if I'm going to keep the camera, but if I do, it will be so I can use vintage c-mount/TV lenses with the IBIS.

They really help to soften that digital video look that is somewhat inherent in the Panasonic image. 

Thanks.

You have the XC10 as well i seem to remember. Which will you keep?

Has anyone used the C mount cctv lenses on the GX85? Are there any issues with the stabiliser?

Does the G80 have 422 8 bit internal recording? There seems to be a bit of confusion over this.

DR? Lowlight? AF?

If you are in a Pal zone you can buy the camera from Hong Kong with no recording limit in 4k (mp4) and 1080 (avchd). Cost me 50€ more including shipping than buying the camera here in Spain.

Not sure but battery time will vary depending on how you are shooting. IBIS, 4k etc will use more power I'd imagine.

http://www.duracelldirect.es/camara-digital/panasonic/oem-pno/dmw-blg10.html

The price has gone up. I was buying them for 11€ before. Bought a charger as well.

I filmed over an hour of 4k without it turning off. I bought Duracell batteries at 10€ a battery. Work fine.

Thanks again Mercer! How do the cameras compare in lowlight? I have several fast lenses for the GX85 but I don't really like the images when I go over 1600iso and they don't seem to enjoy being corrected to much. I was wondering if the XC10 works better in lowlight (when wide open at 2.8) at 3200iso or more. Maybe the files give you more scope for correcting the images?

I think the are quite different. I have a GX85 and I used to have a 7D and a 700D(T5i). The colours and the look of the Canons is something I like a lot. They tend to look good without having to mess around in the edit suite. The GX85 doesn't have that look but it does have 4k which looks pretty good on a 1080 timeline. The 1080 has 50p which is great for have a bit of flexibility with slomo. The stabiliser is fantastic but the sound is awful. The m4/3 lenses are so lightweight! Canon lenses seem so heavy now! I think you would need a fast lens with the GX85. The Gx85 is also tiny which can be good and bad. I couldn't imagine rigging one up like people do to the Canons!

Thanks Mercer! Do you have the GX85 and the XC10?

21 minutes ago, gatopardo said:

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/explora/video/news/unveiled-canon-xc15-upgraded-follow-xc10

 

- New color matrix profiles

- New Highlight Priority gamma that functions as an HDR setting for  high-contrast scenes

- Low-light performance has been improved

- Autofocus speed is now almost double the speed of previous versions and has three adjustable speeds.

So are the low light and AF the same as or better than the XC10 with the latest firmware? Those are the big questions for me at least.

So in theory it has the same AF as the XC10? I see in the Danish video the XC15 has face tracking. Does the XC10 have it too?

So it's a good upgrade if you really need the sound but if you don't....probably not worth it?

Are the only differences the waveform monitor and the XLR module?

16 hours ago, Philip Lipetz said:

i tested the new firmware with high ISO HD. was not not happy with results.

 

Why was that?

Canon (C100, 7D and 5dmk2 experience)

Likes: Colours, menus and ease of use. On the C100 I love the ergonomics, especially the hand grip and joystick. The quality of image on those little files is amazing.

Dislikes: Doing stupid things like the crap viewfinder and LCD on the C100. PSF nonsense, 50i. Mts boredom.

Mattias, has the latest firmware improved the lowlight as it was supposed to? Thanks

17 hours ago, Flynn said:

If they reduce the lens to 24-100, surely they can do better than 1.8-4. I would guess they should be able to do something like a constant f2. The G7x is 24-100 and is 1.8-2.8 and the lens is tiny compared to the xc10.

Even better with a lens like that!

Does the XC10 really need an SDI?