lucabutera

Nah, stick around and you'll realise he's way to grumpy to be a believer in almost anything!!
Welcome to the forums.. home of nice people, good advice, and a bit of snark and hip-and-shoulder too
Awesome - what lens is that?
12mm and crazy fast?
Shallow DoF simulations in VIDEO will come, it's just about processing power.  My understanding is that they do it by having two cameras where one of them senses depth (could be wrong here) but basically they take two images and then do math to work out which bits they should blur.  With computing power going up steadily it's just a matter of time, and Apple has already demonstrated it's something people want that is worthwhile investing the tech into.  
It might be something they do in post - if they record both streams and then "develop" it later in non-realtime even.
I understand your POV and agree, but also see @webrunner5 perspective too.
I look at it from a few perspectives:
Image quality - smartphones are getting better so fast that they'll soon be 'good enough' except in difficult lighting conditions (the 2012 Zacuto camera shootout was interesting and we've come a long way since the iPhone 4s which was used in that shootout) Flexibility - more DR and function buttons and all that stuff really matters because it makes it a lot easier to get the results you want - lower DR, a touchscreen and lightening/USB port is a million miles from a C300 and that really matters on set Connectivity - SDI ports, timecode, external power options really matter and phones are basically nowhere on this Convenience - phones are always with you, always on, and don't attract a lot of attention, which means that much more content is available to film, either from the perspective that a dedicated camera would prevent you from getting the shot or that it would just make it more difficult We evaluate phones on image quality and convenience alone because they lack the other practical things that "real" cameras have.  It depends on what you shoot and your priorities I think.
Arguments start when people have different priorities and don't fully explain themselves.
Please everyone be nice - in person most of us would agree and calmly explain ourselves
It depends on what you're shooting.
If you're in good light, and are looking for a wide angle deep DoF shot and don't need timecode and external monitoring then a phone can be almost as good as an Alexa.  I take shots on my phone when I travel quite a bit because that combination is great for scenic landscapes and such, even though I have an XC10 that has decent DR, C-Log, 305Mbps codec, timecode, and ergonomics that most DSLRs can only dream of.
I've seen a lovely wedding video shot with an iPhone.  It was an experiment, the couple agreed ahead of time, and they probably didn't pay full price, but it worked.
Film-making is all about compromises, we don't have cameras that can meet how well we see so capturing things is always choosing which things the human eye can see that we don't capture, and phones are no different, they're just more of a compromise.
So, you CAN shoot a wedding, but at least for now you probably SHOULDN'T
Every thread is mostly the same conversation - convergence.  More specifically the convergence of Hollywood, the movie theatre, broadcast television, cinema cameras, home movie cameras, film-splicing editing machines, recording studios, typewriters and telephones.  Fast forward far enough and these will all be included into a tiny device mounted somewhere near our eye.
This convergence is difficult for many people to come to terms with because these things never touched.  Not even the Bell Labs think tank where they predicted the mobile phone thought that it would include a camera inside it.
Everyone is struggling with the fact the tech isn't there yet in terms of what we see in our heads, but we're still interested in it enough to thrash it out in forums because every few iterations take us a meaningful step forwards in being able to achieve that vision.  It's too rubbish to be happy with, but is improving too fast to ignore.  It's actually the creative drive that powers much of these conversations.  
I don't want 4K60 10-bit with IBIS because I like letters and numbers and spending money - I want it because 4K 422 allows 1080 4444 (I output in 1080), 60p enables slow-motion which suits the aesthetic of the home videos I shoot because time seems to slow in the magical moments that I want to capture, 10-bit because I shoot outside in high DR with a log profile and I want to have the flexibility in post and get rich colours, and IBIS because shake distracts from the smooth magic I want to create and draws attention to the fact it's a film rather than a memory.
Do I need all these things - no, do they support my creative vision - yes

The pocket has a M43 sensor. Why would I need to carry something in my pocket btw? 
You can do a shallow DOF in post for video? Not easily. I can create dragons flying of my mouth in post to, technically. 

The whole well rec 709 is only 5 stops argument is kind of silly. With wide dynamic range you can manipulate the image easily in post and decide where you want that dynamic range to go. 

More power to you if you can deal with poor iso performance, no dof, small sensors and be happy with it. 

If you don't like these discussions just start your own thread on what you want to talk about. Who is forcing you to talk about camera specs? You are the one going on about how you think cell phones are better then micro four thirds cameras. If you genuinely don't care about specs why argue about it. 

I do care about specs. I love cameras, playing with cameras, reading about cameras, buying cameras. Its what interests me.

Also I do shoot stuff, was up until 2am filming a short film last night. I don't usually post on here because who wants to watch my shorts? Usually no one. Easier for people to read a 10 second comment and reply on their phone while doing something else. Videos require attention. 

Let's agree to disagree.
I do. All the time. Its part of my job. But I rather not use a smartphone.

Yeah who need FF and those fancy new camera if you just can do everything on a phone, you shouldnt be even this forum apparently phone is good enough for you, stick to GSMArena mate!

And you could get walk around with easy manual focus / peaking with that sweet Nokton 25mm F/0.95 with 5 axis stabilization.  I still have some GH2 footage I shot wide open with that lens from 2011 and it holds up pretty well 7 years later.
  It's not the worst idea I've seen on here and I love the price.
Some people shoot things far away....like sports, wildlife.  What 300 2.8 amI going to put on my iphone 8 plus and shoot my son playing travel baseball from beyond center field?  What 600-1200mm equivalent can I shoot the moon with and get any detail on my phone?  No offense, but for YOU perhaps it doesn't make sense, but you don't speak for everyone else.  All tiny sensor phones SUCK in low light.
So yeah - shooting casual video of things up close and in good light - you may not see that big of a difference.  Throw a bright lens on a micro 4/3rds in difficult light and it sings.

Show me a phone with dof thing on VIDEO, I don’t care about DOF effect on photos, I want it on VIDEO

Sounded so good, i got one . Pocket Rocket . 
 
 
 

I am fine with adapters for the older stuff like Canon FD. It's when it has firmware bugs and crap AF when it becomes an issue. Thankfully the Sigma / Sony adapter was pretty good and Metabones firmware improves all the time, though still not great.
There are some very good adapters out there, Kipon have such a HUGE range. I am keen to try their medium format speed boosters on this. They have German optics, and bring Pentax 645 glass into play.

If the Fuji X-H2 will have the IBIS with the same video characteristics of the X-T3, it will be enough to mount a high quality focal reducer to have a complete camera at a reasonable price.

On day 3 and 4 of Photokina, I collaborated with Dave Altizer of Kinotika to record the first episode of EOSHD TV and an EOSHD Podcast.
We discuss insider topics such as a rumoured on-chip ND filter by Panasonic, Fuji's "super full frame" medium format strategy and round up some of the highlights of Photokina (including the Panasonic S1R).
Read the full article

meanwhile, please have a look on my last play with NX1:
i am really considering x-t3 to replace my NX1 - too bad it has no ibis. 

The Fuji is an excellent choice for hybrid shooters. It handles well for the size. The build is excellent. Then manual controls lets you feel like your are "really" taking old-school photos. The images do not disappoint. The video performance is as good as cameras costing much more. Built in microphones are stereo and sound pretty good for what they are. The preamps are usable. And the colors are lovely. 
It's a win... regardless of what may be coming down the pike. This camera can work for today and for a few years to come. It is my new goto travel camera. 
Nice work Fujifilm... Consider yourself officially on the radar.

The Fringer adapter is looking good on the X-T3:
 

How cheap the X-H1 will be?
If it won't go much lower than 1000euros, the X-T3 is a vastly superior camera for 1549euros only, and brand new.
This is a landmark camera in the long history of Fuji, it will stay relevant for at least half a decade from now.
 

The 120p is very detailed.
1.28x crop though.
Unless anyone knows a workaround

Loving the stills output from the X-T3. I could tell from within the first few clicks of the shutter button that this camera is rather special for photography. From my early footage I am very optimistic about video also. Here are some photography samples from the X-T3. The video shootout will be up in a short while. I have quite a bit of footage to import and edit.

SPEEDMASTER F0.95 is a sharpness monster wide open. It's Leica-rivalling.


And yes that crop is a 1:1 crop of the 4K image, ISO 1600.
Classic Chrome, noise reduction not needed.
Who needs 8K?!

Just picked up a Canon FD 24mm F1.4L and 85mm F1.2L also FD at Foto Mayer in Berlin!
Have put them on the Zhongyi Turbo II for the full frame look.
They are CREAMY and great manual focus. Aperture ring and hard stops unlike EF lenses.
What a pair of bros...
Click the shots to see sharpness (forum compresses to hell the inline previews)
24mm "Jerry":

85mm "Zowie":



Those shots were all with the Zhongyi Turbo II (150 bucks)

Yeah I'll upload some tonight.
10bit 400Mbit ALL-I H.265 is butter smooth to playback on MacBook Pro in Quicktime player BTW.

X-T3 in da house!
Just a quick glimpse at the image, but I already have a feeling it's the best I've ever seen from a camera this price. Wonderful codec and detail.
I am trying the Zhongyi SpeedMaster 35mm F0.95, which is also a positive first impressions, very clean bokeh and Noctilux-like rendering.
I am letting that duke it out with a couple of cheap Speed Booster clones though, to see if it's worth the money over, say, a Minolta 50mm F1.4 + SB.
Hey guess what - you can punch in to focus during 4K recording and the quality is incredibly detailed, unlike Sony.
The EVF is better than A7 III hands down.
I am using Film Simulation bracket-mode for stills which is right next to Movie mode on the drive lever, makes it a bit easier to switch.
1/50 assigned to "T" on the shutter dial.
Just waiting for my B+W vario ND to arrive.
It will be manual focus for now as I am away from my main base with all my fuji glass back there. Will be bringing this to Photokina with me and saying to Canon "why would I buy YOUR 1.8x crop mirrorless camera"
GH5 just got beaten I think.
All it lacks over A7 III is a way to get the full frame look with Canon lenses at the same time as AF. There needs to be a better range of adapters!

This is a reason for me to get the XT-3. I came across this video (one of many) on Fujifilm Global’s YouTube channel.  Colors seem quite nice to me - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CNqmE_9x8GI

Fujisung NX2?
Today it is possible to assume that, Samsung has closed the camera department because of the few sales related to its brand not fully associated with the professional camera industry.
Today it is paradoxical to think that the sales success of the Fuji or Panasonic cameras may be due to the Samsung sensor brand preferred by professionals in the sector to that of Sony.
At this point I ask someone to tell Fuji to add the Samsung DR picture profile to the X-T3 camera of which I and many Samsung users are very satisfied.
 

That's interesting.
Back when I first heard of the rumours Samsung were exiting the market, I wrote one of the first articles about it, and shortly afterwards I got an email completely out of the blue from Samsung's marketing person (quite high up in Germany and Europe), saying it "didn't reflect Samsung's position" and they wanted to rebut the article. Come a few days later, he just dropped off the radar and I never heard from him again.
I think Samsung's marketing and PR agencies were amongst the last to know.
I'd be fascinated to know if Samsung canned a full frame NX2.
Stranger things have happened. I bet they regret it now, having had the chance to be first to the full frame mirrorless market after Sony and seeing the sales hike in the past 3 years.
Smoothed out, 8bit look? Well I think 10bit at 400Mbit helps a lot for skin tones! If film grain can finally be enabled in video mode, that can help as well. We'll see some amazing results. 100% sure of it.

The price for Greece is 1749euros, that is not close to 1499$ at all, and the camera is manufactured in China. I would expect a lower starting price, this is not 2017!
It probably has the most desired specs for me, but I believe I can squeeze another year from my NX1 cameras.
There is no equal to the 16-50S, which is my main workhorse for some years now.