MountneerMan

I would also like to add to that I am extremely happy with how the NX1 has aged meaning that if you asked me last year if I would still be using my NX1 in a year I likely would have said no yet here I am and I don't even see anything on the horizon that could really grab my attention for another year.

I always thought that once the GH5 saw a price drop I would pick one up but I am not really that drawn and with the GH6 at least a year or more away I could be using my NX1 until I end up finally dropping it off a cliff and need to replace it.

7 hours ago, flip21 said:

Hi,

I bought this adapter - 3.5 mini jack (female) to micro USB:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Micro-USB-Jack-to-3-5mm-Earphone-Headphone-Adapter-Socket-Audio-Cable-Sale-/252522076154?hash=item3acb7d17fa:g:zRoAAOSw~gRVpdgU

I tryed out with my Rode videomic pro, and there is no sound being recorded to the NX500 trough there unfortunately

I was wondering. Is the ability to record audio via the USB micro port viable through some sort of hack? The automatic gain control of the NX500 is great, so in a sense the only thing we needed is to allow the external audio to be recorded to the camera by software, via the USB micro port.

Here, the gopro allows it:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YjDBHR4faJk

I mean, the hardware is there (USB micro port)... so maybe the NX500 could be the best camera at its price range with an audio quality that match its video performance...

Thanks,

flip 

Unfortunately, I hate to break it to you but the hardware is not there. The USB port on the NX1 and NX500 are not OTG(On The Go). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USB_On-The-Go

I looked into this a while back because I had this idea of plugging in a hard drive directly in my NX1 and writing a program to backup all the videos from the SD card onto the hard drive. for a lightweight portable backup solution for "On the Go", pun intended.

Side note, the solution I came up with was to use a micro USB card reader with a built-in USB 3.0 port and use my android phone to copy all the files from the SD card onto the hard drive. It works quite well is saved the need to carry about a laptop.

No sorry, it was not me. I have not been there in years.

17 hours ago, tugela said:

They had it on the web site as a special order, they did not actually stock it as far as I could tell. The only camera from the final generation that they physically had was the NX500, there were the odd store that had one of those on site. They did physically have the non-S lenses to some extent, as did some Best Buy stores (who also sold older generation Samsung cameras, but not the NX1).

I got mine from The Camera Store, which, as far as I could determine, was the only place in Canada that physically stocked them. But they were not listed as an official distributor, I don't know where they got their cameras. When I tried registering my NX1 with Samsung Canada the serial number came up as non-existent, although it did have a Canadian part number, which was a bit unsettling. 

Some other camera stores across the country did have Samsung cameras (and were listed as distributors by Samsung), but they were in the process of discontinuing Samsung equipment when the NX1 was announced. Samsung marketing apparently was unaware of this, or simply didn't care, lol.

One of the places that Samsung listed as a source of the NX1 was a sound store about 20 meters from where I live, and I know for a fact that store has never sold cameras at all, only audio equipment. So go figure.

From what I could see and in retrospect it seems clear that Samsung were in the process of discontinuing their photography business even when they announced and released the NX1. I think the limited marketing that they were doing in some markets was purely an exercise to sell off units that they had already manufactured, but they didn't publically say that because then no one would buy the stock. 

I bought mine from London Drugs on Granville and Georgia. They had two NX1 pro kits, an NX500 and a 50-150 S lens.

I also saw another NX1 pro kit at another London drugs location I think it was at Ironwood in Richmond cant remember now.

I remember boardway cameras said they could get them in and would honor the B&H online Canadian list price. Basically, I think they were going to just order from B&H then resell to me for no profit knowing full well that I would likely buy something else from there if I bought the camera from there.

At best buy on Granville at the time they had a whole Samsung section similar to the apple section where they had a decent size display cabinet just for Samsung cameras and lens but there was never any NX1, NX500 or S series lens. The best camera they had was the NX3000 from what I remember and again the Samsung staff there had no idea about the NX1.

But yea, to sum up, Samsung did not make a real push in the Canadian market at all. At least from what I could tell.

They sold it at several London drugs around Vancouver.

Actually after the time of death was more or less declared on the NX London drugs put the NX1 pro kit on clearance for a really good deal I think it was only $2,300CAD or something cant remember exactly.

EDIT: Just to clarify London drugs is a chain of stores in BC that sells everything from bread to computers and as far as I know, they have no connection to the city of London. I just realized this might be confusing.  http://www.londondrugs.com

11 hours ago, Saddam said:

I would disagree with you on the points that Samsung's own store did not sell them and the employees who worked there never heard of NX1.

I worked at Samsung's OWN store as a sales associate in London where we have seen the NX1 and got trained on it month before the release of this camera. I was the first person to sell the NX1 on the launch day.

I bought the NX1 (display unit) that was being used in the store as training purposes by us and to show customers after the store shut down on December 23rd.

I'm still using it and I bought another NX1 just few months ago to use it as backup or B-cam.

Used the NX1 last month on a wedding. The footage came out astonishing. I also had the Sony A7S II, but it was resting inside the bag most of the time. Prefer to shoot with the NX1 more.

Saddam, I can collaborate tugela's point. I live in Vancouver Canada and I went into two different Samsung stores back before the NX1 was dead and neither of them sold any cameras and the people working there never heard of the NX1.

I also went into this "pop-up" Samsung tech demonstration in the summer of 2015 and they were showing off all there new high-tech gear (phones, TV's, smartwatches, VR, high-end appliances) and there was no sign of any cameras.

I signed the petition about a year ago.

I am happy to hear they got a response from Samsung.

My question is would you guys be willing to trust Samsung again after leaving us hanging like this? and if not what kind of commitment would be needed from Samsung for you to trust them.

For me, I would need to see a 2-3 year lens release roadmap schedule similar to what Sony did. It's not that I need a lot of lenses I just need to know they are committed to developing the line and that an NX3 would follow after the NX2.

Actually, who am I kidding I like my NX1 so much I would probably buy an NX2 no matter what lol. I can only imagine if they made the NX2 today it would probably have some ridiculous specs like 4k 120p and 1080 @ 480

On 9/9/2017 at 6:07 AM, SMGJohn said:

Samsung keeps hiring old Japanese engineers, designers and other talented people who are "honourably" fired from Japanese Corporations because the new generation must replace the old.
And this is the result, Samsung is destroying Japanese Corporations, Sony fired a lot of elderly extremely talented people and Korean Corporations fished them in. 

Having tried several cameras it seems that Samsung NX1 and NX500 trades high ISO performance for superior extremely high colour reproduction. 
So while having very bad ISO performance in general with huge drops when reaching 800 ISO and beyond, the colour reproduction at lower ISO is superior to most cameras I have tested so far, even the Sony big megapixel beasts cannot seem to keep up. The Sammy's do what other CMOS bayer sensors struggle with the most, capturing accurate autumn colours.
Even Sigma SD Quattro with Foveon censor seem to struggle very hard to keep up with Sammy censor.

I am not a electronics engineer but I am pretty sure high ISO performance and color rendition are not connected in that way. Meaning the camera designers do not get to make the decision to sacrifice the one for the other.

The NX1 performs great (for its age) at high ISO's. Remember this is almost a 3 year old camera at this point. If you look at the cameras that came out around the same time it performs competitively except against the a7s but that is an unfair comparison as the a7s was built with the sole purpose of having high ISO performance. 

Not sure I understand your question.

Just put the camera in manual mode.

7 hours ago, omega1978 said:

Nothing special, im only impressed how detailed the footage from NX1 is...

https://vimeo.com/219396291 pw: staschitz

Samsung 16-50S?

18 hours ago, Andrew Reid said:

That is so generous. Snatch their hand off.

The X-T2 is the only thing that comes close to the NX1 even after 2-3 years...

I prefer the NX1 over that (have both) in all respects apart from low light and 4K rolling shutter.

I am quite comfortable using the NX1 at ISO 3200 as long as I have a good exposure, fast lens, master pedestal +15 and RGB range 16-235, to prevent the blacks from crushing and losing all the shadow detail. Noise at ISO 6400 makes it a bit less usable, so my limit is usually 1600 or 3200.

But let's get real

One has to balance practicality, usability, cost, all sorts of stuff.

To get better low light without sacrificing too many features, your only choice (for 4K) is the A7S II, A7R II and 1D C. So triple the cost of a used NX1. TRIPLE!

The X-T2 is more fiddly and crops the sensor in 4K. You'd need to invest in new lenses maybe too?

A6500 could be an option but I don't enjoy using mine... ergonomics are shit and rolling shutter the worst I've ever seen.

I believe even though reliability has let you down and the freshness of new models entices you, that the trusty NX1 is truly special and should be perceived with unless you can jump to a $3000 Sony and put up with the worse ergonomics.

Andrew,

What is your opinion of the GH5 vs. the NX1?

Sorry if you already posted your thoughts on this in another thread I do not follow all the threads on here.

I dont know what other samsung gear you have currently but I would maybe try and push back to get a refund for your other lenses as they are now useless to you than consider this as your chance to get out of the system at a really good price.

Disclaimer to all the fan boys. I plan on keeping my NX1 until it dies then putting it up on the shelf as an important camera history relic. I think the NX1 will be a great part of camera history with a great story that I witnessed first hand.

I am definitely not the best person to talk about this let alone try and get this working but from what I understand and remember from the height of the NX hacking days about a year ago. There is a separate part(either hardware or software not sure) that acts sort of like a black box and restricts this from happening. This black box is next to impossible to reprogram without doing some really significant reverse engineering. I probably got this completely wrong but this if what I remember.

Not sure if you have seen the Github page or not but if you look there you will likely find more information that will explain it properly.

https://github.com/ottokiksmaler/nx500_nx1_modding

Luckily I do have a solution to get 4k 60fps... figure out how much your time it worth say $20/hour then every day spend a few hours trying to figure out how to hack the NX1 to get 4k 60fps and for every hour to spend working on it put $20 into a jar... Then after about 100 hours take the jar to your local camera store and buy a GH5 voila 4k 60fps. lol Im just playing of course, the better solution is to just spend that time with the samsung camera you already have and enjoy it for the terrific camera it is

Tony Northrup posted a video yesterday that is sort of relevant to what you guys are talking about.

Its called "Iso-invariance" and it only applies to RAW

https://improvephotography.com/34818/iso-invariance/

15 hours ago, Kisaha said:

@MountneerMan I am not going to discuss about different cameras, you know - I know, it is a really long conversation (NX is APS-C 28megapixels BSI sensor, while GH5 is 20mgpxls m43, I do not see them being equal at all. The things I mentioned in Sony are absolutely true and tested, and I can add more if you'd like!), and I mentioned in all my posts here that NX is a dead camera, I thought we are all (or, mostly!) adults here and know what a "dead system" means.

I already went that far as to propose a D7200 and X-T20, and said good things about GH5, but if people were always following the easiest and most common option then humanity would be still eating rotten animals from the ground and collecting fruits from the trees.

In 2-3 months there will be the new Sony camera, and 2-3 months after that the new Panasonic, and 2-3 months after that the new Nikon mirrorless we all were hoping, and 2-3 months after that the new - at last - Canon mirrorless M Pro etc etc

In a year there will be at least 3-5 cameras equally intriguing - or more, than the GH5 and the 8 hour tutorials will be dead space.

And most camera stores in the world, go bankrupt anyway.

In my country Samsung abandoned the camera business before most places, NX300/NX3000 were the last releases, and now look at me, have 3 NX cameras, numerous lenses, they even bring some money to help me build the next system, wherever I see a true APS-C hybrid really as innovative and forward thinking as NX1 was. Do not forget, people changed 2 or even 3 systems since abandoning NX out of fear. Ours are still working, and still servicing (for how much, I do not know, there are still cameras in warranty though, and new ones).

As of batteries, I have never used more than 2 batteries (I have 3), and I am talking about a full day of video, or thousands of pictures. Plus you can connect a USB charger anytime you want. I got your point, just saying though!

People are still interested in NX1:

1) it is still relevant technologically and pragmatically

2) there are bargains that you can get NX1 for very cheap (as low as 650euros with the 30mm pancake in Sweden and 1200$ with the 16-50S in the States, and brand new in Australia, Switzerland, Netherlands, Germany, UK, US for much less than 900$/pounds/euros, sometimes including the S lens in some specific sales, unfortunately I wasn't able to catch such a bargain).

For someone that do not want to change camera in a few years time, and find a good deal, he can spend as much as some expensive large sensored compacts cost (those are already obsolete as well, aren't they?) and have one of the best crop HYBRIDS ever made (50% photo/ 50% video).

Have you used one? What system do you own right now?

P.S NX is a dead system, you really can't go anywhere else from here, but remember back then Fuji had the X-T1 16megapxls, and debatable if and how better is the new X-T2 from the NX1. Just saved almost 3000euros because I DIDN'T buy the Fuji back then!

Again I did not mean to start a whole thing with anyone about what camera is better or how good the NX1 at what I was merely just trying to state my opinion to the OP and answer his question "Should I buy a Samsung NX1 now May 2017?".

To answer your question I currently only own two camera an NX1 and a Sony a6000 that I got for really cheep and hardly ever use but wanted a smaller compact camera mostly for photos. The NX1 is an absolutely FANTASTIC camera and I love it. I am not going to be selling it anytime soon if ever and likely wont be buying a new A camera any time soon but that still does not mean I would recommend someone invest in the NX system at this point.

When I bought my NX1 I borrowed a GH4 and an NX1 for about week each and decided on getting the NX1 over the GH4 as it was a better camera. Now I dont think it should be a surprise that if I did the same thing today with the GH5 and the NX1 the GH5 would win with 4k 60fps and 10 bit 4:2:2 and 180 fps 1080(and before you ask yes I have had the pleasure of playing around with the GH5 a few weeks ago). 

As a side note I gotta stop writing posts on threads of this nature because the fan boys are too quick to jump on anyone who even just hints at the fact the NX1 might not the best camera ever made.

15 hours ago, Henry Silvestriz said:

Are these lenses good? I know earlier Kisaha recommended the 50-150mm, but I found a camera that comes with those 3.

• 16-50mm f/3.5-5.6
• 12-24mm f/4-5.6
• 50-200mm f/4-5.6

Never used the 16-50 f3.5-5.6 I own the 16-50 f/2-2.8 lens and its fantastic. I love that is goes to f2 at 16mm it really adds to its versatility.

Also never used the 12-24 f4-5.6 for the same reason as above and rarely want to shoot wider than 16mm

I own the 50-200 and its a great lens upto about 150mm beyond that it gets pretty soft quickly. still usable but I find you can get more detail by pulling out a little bit to ~150 and then cropping in post. of course this is not always an option like if you are filming in slow mo at 1080 or if we need alot of reach and want to goto 200mm and then crop on top of that.

The 30mm f2 prime is also a great lens that is worth looking into as well. it has a nice normal focal length its fast at f2 with nice bokeh and really small and light. I love this lens for walking around on the streets.

13 minutes ago, Kisaha said:

@MountneerMan GH5 is a lot worst in the photo department, and a6500 is worst in most (ergonomics, battery life, terrible user interface, gimmick touch screen features, and a ton other) issues.

I have not read anywhere that would indicate the GH5 is that much worse than the NX1 and the a6500 is pretty good in all the areas you mentioned.

14 minutes ago, Kisaha said:

The GH5 costs a lot more anyway. The usual deal now with the NX1s - that most people buy - are a NX1 with a 16-50S and a few more extras (external chargers, extra batteries, or whatever) that goes for around 1500$ or less. If you can find one for less than that, and/or in very good condition, then it is further away that any other top camera right now.

I didn't know you could get that good of a deal on an NX1.

1 hour ago, Kisaha said:

It is a dead system, it can be problematic, for some it is a great chance to own a very futuristic great camera for a little money. I wouldn't propose this camera light hearted to anyone, on the other hand it is just a great experience and for specific purposes, needs, and people, it can be a great bargain!

Personally, I will be waiting for the next generation, as the current ones not ticking all the boxes for my impression of a great hybrid APS-C camera. GH5 is a great, no-nonsense, camera and Panasonic right now is the most tempting, but I am an APS-C (S35) fun, and I am not changing any time soon.

That is my exact point. If you are looking at buying a camera right now and you currently do not have anything invested in samsung I would NOT recommend the NX1 or NX500. Even if the NX1 has a slight advantage over other cameras I don't think that slight advantage warrants buying into a dead system.

I really didnt mean to start a discussion over what camera is better at what I was just wanted to state my opinion on what I think the OP should do.

Ultimately a good camera is a good camera and I highly doubt the OP is going to think after the fact "Oh I wish I got the NX1 instead of a GH5 because the photo quality is just not good enough on the GH5" But I definitely could see the OP wanting to pick-up some accessories for their new camera and thinking man It sucks no being able to buy more batteries or lens from every camera store in the world.

Another point to be made about buying into a dead system is currently the community for NX1 right now is not going to get any better than it is now(Which dont get me wrong I love you guys... in a purely platonic way ). On the other hand the GH5 community is just getting started. In 2-3 months from now there are going to be dozens of full length 8+hour camera tutorials from everyone and their dog.

No, buy a GH5 or a6500. It will cost about the same as the NX1 but will have a slightly better camera with more lens options.

Not saying that the NX1 is a bad camera its just that I cant recommend it when there are better options out there for the same price that are not dead systems.

1 hour ago, mnewxcv said:

Yeah I think I found that thread. I was hoping that using the low frame rate functions of the camera (6p, 3p, 1.5p) would allow for shutter speeds to be that low, but it seems I cannot set shutter speed less than 1/30 in any mode. 

you could use regular time lapse mode and get 6k RAW  at about 0.5p lol.

I believe the time lapse mode does not account for the shutter speed so 1fps at 1" would be 0.5p.

1 hour ago, mnewxcv said:

is there any way to shoot video at a shutter speed less than the frame rate (with intention of creating excess motion blur)

I had a discussion with someone a while ago about this on this forum I believe and this is what I remember from that discussion.

1. No, it is not possible to have a shutter speed slower(longer) than 1/framerate
2. Some cameras have the option to replicate this effect in camera. I believe the GH4 has this feature and it is a mistery to me how this feature works.
3. This effect can be done in post with either a blur effect or by overlaying the same clip multiple times with a 1 frame offset and setting the transparency of each layer to 1/number of layers. Obviously for best results you should do bunch of tests isolating each the variable(incamera framrate, shutter speed, output frame rate, number of layers, number of frames to offset each layer, transparency of each layer) till to you get the exact look you want.

I could be completely wrong about all this as i am not an expert and I have never done this myself.

8 minutes ago, ricardo_sousa11 said:

5. No, however, the rolling shutter can easily be avoided, specially with the 16-50S lens.

How does the 16-50S lens help with rolling shutter?

1. I have never experienced exposure drift on my NX1.

2. There was a topic about it but I did not follow it re answer to number 1 above.

3. Cannot comment, no significant experience with NX500. but I the auto focus on the NX1 is fantastic.

4. Generally 400 is the highest I would recomend. you can use 800 and no one but IQ snobs like myself and the rest of this forum will say anything. You could use 1600 or even 3200 if you really absolutely need to document big foot or something but the IQ really falls off a cliff above 400.

5. No. Read out speed is still the same, no noticeable RS improvement with hack

6. I am not 100% sure but I do not believe so.

7. The UVF lock when in standby mode/recording is probably the biggest quirk that irritates me all the time but not that big of a deal really. Honestly one of the features that does not get any hype but is kind of a stand out is the screen. It is incredible. you dont really notice how good the screen on the NX1 is until to try and use another camera in the sun.

8. Decent, I use a rode video micro all the time without any external pre-amps and it works great.

9. No idea but do not see why you would want it. The benefit from what I understand is the 2.5k hack on the NX500 is good because it give a full sensor readout so no crop. There is not crop on the NX1 in 4K.

10. Sorry I have never used either of those cameras but it is definitely better than the GH4, a7Si, and the XT1.

Sorry I couldn't fully answer all your questions but I hope that helps.

3 hours ago, Andrew Reid said:

This announcement crashed the website.

Sorry about that, looking into it with the host.

Anyone else had slow page load times from EOSHD during the last 30 minutes?

Ok good to know it wasnt just me... I was thinking it was my sony laptop overheating or the battery was dying or something.

Lol. just kidding I would never buy a sony.... laptop that is.

On a serious note any predictions for when and what specs for a a9s?

My guess we will see a a9r by Q4 2017 and a a9s by Q1 or 2 of 2018. and I would expect they would need to do 4:2:2 internal and 4k 60p especially with the GH5 out now.

Personally I use proxies in premiere pro. I import the native H.265 files and create H.264 proxies for editing.

Works great. takes quite a bit of time up front to trans code but you can edit while it works in the back ground. For the most part I just import before I goto bed and let it chooch while I am sleeping.

Added bonus, when you wake up to a completed trancoding job you literal roll out of bed feeling like you have already accomplished something for the day. lol

Updated link below

http://woobox.com/f8ugnj/irw3gl