Phil A

On 3/18/2018 at 10:27 PM, ThomHaig said:

Hey Phil, Cheers for getting back to me with that- looks like a decent option, and comparatively compact compared to the 18-35mm zoom - I don't suppose you know how the same lens fares on the metabones XL? Any idea if it vignettes beyond usability? 

Also, be great to hear what you make of the Viltrox - it's a fair bit cheaper than the Metabones Ultra, so if the image quality is decent I'd happily forego the XL for this. Cheers

Unfortunately I don't know, wondered myself originally. But with some google search, you can find examples of the lens on the Canon 1D III or IV, which had APS-H sensors. Looks ok to me and gives an idea how it might be, but obviously no definitive answer.

It's ok for me but I'm not a pixel peeper. I can maybe compare

Viltrox EF-M2 + Sigma 30mm f/1.4
Zhongyi LensTurbo II + Sigma 30mm f/1.4 (only wide open, no electronic aperture control)
Voigtländer 17.5mm f/0.95
Panasonic Leica 25mm f/1.4

if that's relevant. I'm just slightly busy because yesterday our GX85 died and we fly to a long vacation next Friday (Murphy's law).

Playing devils advocate, is just converting the footage to ProRes LT in post an option? The codec doesn't say much about what's really in it.

@ThomHaig Sigma 30mm f/1.4 ART on the cheap Viltrox EF-M2 speed booster. It has a lot of play so not good for manual focus but great for photography (roughly equivalent to the look of 45mm f/2 on Fullframe) or if you anyway don't pull focus during recording. Weight is really close to the Voigtländer 17.5mm f/0.95.

Thank you @jonpais . You've helped me remember why I normally don't share videos or pictures or anything on internet forums anymore. I'll take the criticism to heart and consider it.

14 hours ago, mercer said:

Really nice looking. I watched it on my phone so I can’t tell... was it shot in 4K? It actually reminds me a little of BMMCC footage I took a while back with Jon Voigtlander 25mm. 

Shot in 4k in V-Log L, just fixed it roughly with FilmConvert and some tweaking... but I shot in Aperture priority because I forgot my NDs and that was just the export for IG in super low bitrate (Instagram always turns it into mush anyway).

I think the Voigtländer lenses are plenty sharp enough, even though everyone and his dog says they're soft when wide open.

19 hours ago, Kisaha said:

https://www.atomos.com/sumo19

that seems like an excellent choice for a lot of different people and uses. If anyone has ever shop, or even work, with a broadcast monitor, then will find its value extremely low for what it offers.

From the field, to the studio and beyond!

People in the professional color grading world think the screens of the Atomos stuff are rubbish for actual grading and it's just a marketing gimmick with the HDR. 
e.g. http://liftgammagain.com/forum/index.php?threads/atomos-sumo-19-hdr-recorder-monitor.8947/
I was quite interested in the monitor-only Sumo but the specs are really not that interesting. It's not really 10bit but 8+2 FRC, and it only does Rec709 according to the the specs sheet. It's an IPS panel with up to 1200 nit so I guess you can expect the blacks to be grays when it shows the max brightness in the frame (couldn't quickly find any data about contrast).
It even says "Brightness 1200nit (+/- 10% @ center)" so I wouldn't expect great uniformity.

So I'd say it's still better to get a used FSI or get a LG OLED.

Unrelated: my only HDR capable device is a Samsung Galaxy S8+ and I hate how colorful the demo videos are I watched so far. Didn't help my taste that they were in 1080p60.

Lately all I'm using is the Voigtländer 17.5mm ... wish the WiFi Remote had a better resolution so it would be easier to judge sharpness when wide open. Wish there was a lens like that with autofocus.

Played around with it on one of the last warm days we had. It's only super short clip because it's for the girlfriend's IG.

Password: smucho

GH5 with the Voigtländer 17.5mm 0.95 (pretty much all  f/0.95 - 1.4) with Tiffen Warm Black Pro Mist 1/8 filter, all handheld. Total sloppy hack job. Just liked the combination of rendering and setting sun's light.

From a photography point of view, this sounds theoretically amazing, looking forward to the reviews. I'm not in the market for it but it seems the MSRP didn't increase from the II, so maybe there will be great used deals on the leaving generation to be had.

15 minutes ago, ntblowz said:

SAR is a fucking joke, it more like Sony Press Release (SPR) instead of rumors as Sony pretty much killed the rumor bit after the hacking scandal.

 

The Sony camera in here doesn't hold value, A7S with movecam cage sold for $700, two A7RII sold for $1600ish this week and few weeks before, while 5D3 can sell for more. Same for Canon 6D which can sell for high $$ than A7II, not many a7sii for sale so I guess people still hold on to it.. until A7SIII or A9S released lol.

Where is "in here"? In Germany a used A7r II will run you upwards of 2000€ and the A7s II is never to be seen on the used market. You'll still pay 2999 € for a new one, considering it came out over 2 years ago. Price development roughly comparable with the Canon 5D III I think.

The times where the Sony prices plummeted like nothing and a new model came every year are obviously over (which is good and bad, depending on perspective).

I'd expect a new A7s III to MSRP around 4000€ in Germany.

1 hour ago, jonpais said:

I’m still not understanding... it takes only a few minutes to adjust the color to your liking, so what difference does it all make in the end? No two people have the same taste or viewing conditions, so they’d have to calibrate the tv anyhow. Seems like much ado about nothing...

Because it's not supposed to be "to your liking", it's supposed to be as specified. There's a reason we have things like Rec709, etc. The TV should come with those set, then people can bend them to their liking (frame interpolation, contrast on max, etc.).
I wonder how people feel who professionally color grade stuff for cinema when they see it played on consumer TV sets. People here hate on Sony because the colors aren't perfect and then think it's perfectly fine that TVs/computer monitors/mobile phones show everything completely distorted anyway?

I'm still stuck with my 2008 Panasonic plasma TV that I setup as good as I could while using a display probe (incl. output LUT in Davinci Resolve, etc.). The picture is great and it tremendously decreases my pleasure of watching movies at my friend/family's places.

5 hours ago, IronFilm said:

"One lens for life" is even more silly than the one camera for life thread!! No way. 

I'd be tempted to just pick a f/2.8 mid range zoom. 

But nah, going to go edgy and say the Sigma 18-35mm f1.8 in Nikon F mount. 

Got to pick a DSLR lens, and not say a fancy high end PL lens, as I will want it not just for filming but stills too. As it is my ONLY lens, for life.

And the f1.8 is a nice boost over f2.8, though giving up reach :-/ Oh well. 
 

With the advents of IBIS in everything (which needs focal length information), I feel like the EF mount is actually more future proof with the zooms. Or at least a lot more convenient.

I'd agree on some 35mm 1.4 lens on fullframe... or whatever is equivalent for the camera system. For DSLRs the Sigma 35mm 1.4 is amazing, with MFT I'm running with the Voigtländer 17.5mm 0.95 currently.

I'd just wish the 35mm 1.4 wasn't so humongously big (bigger than the Sigma 35mm 1.4 or the first Canon 35mm f/1.4L). The image quality is really good for the price, as is the 85mm f/1.4 but adapting it to anything but a fullframe DSLR feels crazy out of proportion.

9 hours ago, jonpais said:

iOS 11:

Camera: Photos and videos will take up half the space with the new HEIF and HEVC image and video formats.

Edit: I see now Ed already mentioned H265. ha

But only from iPhone 7 / iPad Pro 10.5 on wards unfortunately.
Yay, have the iPad Pro 9.7 and my work phone is a 6s. 

http://myworld.ebay.de/eg-auktionen/

got it from the eBay seller eg-auktionen, they had a bunch of sizes and strengths. Not sure but he might only ship in Germany.

On 9/15/2017 at 11:21 AM, Samin said:

Hey Phil, could you please share the eBay link? 

21 hours ago, Bizz said:

I check ebay everyday looking for a BPM or WBPM 1/8 and i never saw a single one for that price (at least shipping to Europe). They are expensive. Great catch man! It was a single sale or do you have the link to share? If youre not in Europe forget about it 

23 hours ago, kidzrevil said:

You're going to be blown away when you see how the skin tones render with the warm black pro mist

That's what I read and they suggested that the warm is better than the normal one for dark skin tones. Played around a bit with it today but won't get the files onto my computer until Tuesday.

So after all the discussions here and always seeing Kidzrevil's stuff on social media, I'll give the diffusion filters a try. Got a Warm Black Pro Mist 1/8 off eBay for 28€ incl shipping. Should arrive today and I'll give it a spin on the weekend. Wish I had thought of getting a step-up adapter already to use it on the Voigtländer, for now I'll try with the Olympus 12-40 2.8.

In unrelated note, we have now bought way more native m4/3 lenses than I wanted. My girlfriend hogs all the lenses I like but the 17.5mm 0.95 (she doesn't dig the manual focus). We now have the Panasonic 14mm 2.5, 25mm 1.4 and 42.5mm 1.7 and especially with the GX80 the size of the system is really neat.

I wonder how much good "10bit HDR" capable screens will do when people use the phone in bright daylight, plus they're still tiny.

Only like the iPhone 8 plus out of the new announcement. Legitimately considering to say fuck it and buy a Samsung Galaxy S8+ Duos instead, it's way cheaper already (can get the S8+ Duos for 825$ equivalent while the iPhone 8 plus will pre-order for 995$ here) and for most things I wonder if there is any difference in performance.

I'm actually really happy with my Samsung Galaxy Note 3 (running LineageOS) that I've just put a new battery into but seeing how Adobe still didn't put the adjustment brush feature into Lightroom Mobile for Android which is in iOS, yes, I'll watch.

24 minutes ago, IronFilm said:

Of more relevance perhaps to you, is just a few days back Kinefinity announced a new Terra 4K camera!! :-o So that is the camera I'd suggest you'd keep a keen eye on watching its developments leading up to its release later this year. (will basically be kinda like a RED Raven, but at a heaps lower price, and a better body)

That was a rather silent announcement. And it has a 1.85 crop, so slightly smaller sensor than s35 / APS-C. At US $3,999, it probably has to be rather good in first reviews to be a new, better alternative to the KineMini 4k or the BMD  Production Camera 4k.

I think they lost all hope to enter "western" markets when they completely dropped the ball on their Terra 5k, making their reputation even worse. They announced it April 2016, had some prototype thing this April but I'd bet we still won't see it in April 2018. That actually breaks my heart because the Terra 5k was the only dedicated video camera I was interested in so far (we can easily ignore the Craft camera that never made it out of render stage), seeing the form factor with the hand grip.

8 minutes ago, Mattias Burling said:

Voigtlander 50mm f1.5 in M mount. Not exactly vintage but they sometimes pop up used for $400 or even less.

Good idea! Maybe even the 40mm f/1.4 ... I'll see if I can test them at a store around here.

Random question: does someone know a vintage 50/55/58mm lens with an f/1.4 aperture that has rendering and color close to the Voigtländer mFT lenses? Somehow can't get myself to buy the 42.5mm f/0.95 yet.

Well, here we go, apparently it controls the focus

1 hour ago, jonpais said:

I'll repeat what I said just a couple of posts earlier, and that is, unless you're viewing your clips on a 4K or 5K monitor, even if you're shooting 1080p, it's virtually impossible to come to any decisive conclusions regarding color and resolution. I just had a look at some of my lens comparisons between the Olympus 25mm f/1.2 and the Leica 12mm f/1.4 shot and delivered in 4K and realized just how incredibly detailed the Olympus is on my 5K iMac, though I much prefer the cooler rendition of the Leica. Viewing the same images on my 2013 iMac was like looking at the images through Saran Wrap. The same goes for my most recent video shot in 1080p using the BMD Video Assist. The same applies to evaluating images on a 15" laptop cf. to a 27" monitor - it's no contest really - a 27" 5K monitor just kills a 15" laptop, in spite of the fact that they both have comparable dots per inch. 

The bold part made literally no technical sense. If I'm shooting 1080p, I'd rather watch on a (calibrated) solid, big plasma panel with native 1080p than on a 5k computer screen. How do you expect pixel exact scaling of 1080 pixels to 2880 pixels when it's a factor of 2.666666.... ? The 4k screen does nothing but blowing up 1 pixel into 2x2 pixel patches, except if it has an upscaling function and then it's not representative for the image but for how good that algorithm works.

Regarding the color judgement, the thing you need is a screen that's color calibrated and a fitting workflow. That has nothing to do with screen size, screen resolution and only secondary with the brand it's made by.

The question is though how much you can save on cost and/or size by omitting video if you still have to implement live view.

Ok, that was somewhat the expected feedback, I'm yet to hear of a bad macro lens.

With the native Olympus 60mm f/2.8 I'm kinda shooed away by the manual focus-by-wire, but on the other hand it gives you neat automated focus bracketing for macro photography.

I guess I'll look around a bit and then maybe get whatever I find a really cheap offer for.

I have the GH5 since June and the gf just got her GX80 yesterday (we spent 2h walking around randomly and photographing stuff).

Obviously the pictures and videos look more or less the same (besides that she doesn't have V-Log L and me being rather indifferent to minuscule nuances in color differences) and there's all the differences you find on the spec sheet (10bit, 150 Mbit/s, slow motion framerates, burst shooting, etc.).

GH5 lies subjectively better in the hand, has better EVF, fully articulating screen, more buttons & wheels & the joystick while the GX80 is smaller, has the screen that swivels (keeping the footprint smaller than flipping it out to the side). Big lenses balance better on the GH5 but then you'll never get that into your coat pocket with the 20 1.7 on.

Horses for courses, best have both  We've put the GH5 into a cage for rigged handheld shooting, the GX80 will go on the gimbal. The GH5 is for shooting during the day, the GX80 you can also bring to a restaurant for pics, etc.