Tone1k

Good grief, your attitude is pathetic.
I've changed camera systems once since 2014 but then I don't use these cameras for work. The Fuji is my personal camera that I use for taking photos of the kids, travel etc. The video function is secondary. 
For work, we use Arri, Red, BM Ursa Mini Pro, F55 etc. And that's the thing, professionals and filmakers don't get all hung up on one system. Can you categorically say that you have produced better images than anyone using an XT2 because you had 240fps four years ago? 
It doesn't really matter which camera had 120fps first or that you might  have one that does 240fps. To XT-2 owners this is a great, free upgrade. All cameras are different. Does your 240fps camera have Fujifilm colour science? I'll take Fuji colour science and 120fps over something like Sonys or even Samsung's colour science and 240fps. I'll also take Fuji lenses over ANY Sony or Samsung lenses..... Either way though, who cares who did what first. Choose the tool that you like using. Why should anyone care that you had a camera that did 240fps last year if that's not a feature I'm interested or have the need in using. 
The sum of a camera is all if it's parts, not just one spec. 
I bet you can't wait for the NX2 so you can brag to us all how far ahead of its time it is.....tell me, when are Samsung releasing the NX2 ? 
Finally, if Sumsung land is so fantastic what are you doing in the Fuji Land thread anyway. You obviosly have nothing constructive to add. Did you really just come here to gloat? 

And I had a 4K shooting phone before Arri had a 4K Alexa........whats the point you're trying to make?

Good grief, your attitude is pathetic.
I've changed camera systems once since 2014 but then I don't use these cameras for work. The Fuji is my personal camera that I use for taking photos of the kids, travel etc. The video function is secondary. 
For work, we use Arri, Red, BM Ursa Mini Pro, F55 etc. And that's the thing, professionals and filmakers don't get all hung up on one system. Can you categorically say that you have produced better images than anyone using an XT2 because you had 240fps four years ago? 
It doesn't really matter which camera had 120fps first or that you might  have one that does 240fps. To XT-2 owners this is a great, free upgrade. All cameras are different. Does your 240fps camera have Fujifilm colour science? I'll take Fuji colour science and 120fps over something like Sonys or even Samsung's colour science and 240fps. I'll also take Fuji lenses over ANY Sony or Samsung lenses..... Either way though, who cares who did what first. Choose the tool that you like using. Why should anyone care that you had a camera that did 240fps last year if that's not a feature I'm interested or have the need in using. 
The sum of a camera is all if it's parts, not just one spec. 
I bet you can't wait for the NX2 so you can brag to us all how far ahead of its time it is.....tell me, when are Samsung releasing the NX2 ? 
Finally, if Sumsung land is so fantastic what are you doing in the Fuji Land thread anyway. You obviosly have nothing constructive to add. Did you really just come here to gloat? 

You realize how weird that sounds in 2018?! My 2014 cameras do that.
Have fun!

And I had a 4K shooting phone before Arri had a 4K Alexa........whats the point you're trying to make?

" Show me some cinematic looking footage shot with this camera"
-  shows cinematic footage shot with the camera
"They could make any camera look good"
Yeah we all know that the skills of those shooting are the most important factor in terms of end result. But you asked for cinematic footage from the camera ??
One of those skills though is also choosing a camera / lens package.
There have been Zeiss super 16 format Superspeeds as long as the 35mm format ones have existed.  They're great and actually pretty cheap.  Mostly in AB or PL m ount which can be easily adapted to MFT.
Unfortunately at this price there are many users that are new to filmmaking, or maybe see filmmaking as a hobby.  Blackmagic are exposing many users to a RAW or even high DR LOG workflow for the first time.  I see people slapping on LUTs designed for other cameras, not bothering to grade or even learn Resolve turning out half arsed results.
But.
If you're willing to step up YOUR game, willing to LEARN how to grade within this workflow, the camera will not hold you back.  The codec will not get in your way. 
It won't guarantee success either, you still have to be able to light, make nice frames and have a plan.  But you won't hit a ceiling with the camera very quickly in terms of image fidelity.
JB
 
 
 

Sorry, I was being sarcastic.... And visicious. I wouldn't really tap holes in the side of my camera. I'll stop now.... It's late. 

I'm ordering a job lot of this in time for September if anyone wants in ?

Thats what I thought when the camera was first announced too.

Haha, they could do a revival and call themeselves US⚡BC
 
Really sorry about that terrible dad joke!

Haha, they could do a revival and call themeselves US⚡BC
 
Really sorry about that terrible dad joke!

Haha, they could do a revival and call themeselves US⚡BC
 
Really sorry about that terrible dad joke!

Look, I've found a right angle USB C adapter.
So I'm not going to waste that bit of research and I'm all for getting another couple of pages out of discussing it now 
 

Anticompetitive? Haha, now I've read it all. Give people more than what they expect for a steal of a price and some will still complain. Get a grip. Sell the dongle on ebay or buy another 'more competitive' camera for just over a grand that does internal 4k 12bit RAW and 10 Bit ProRes at 60p etc. 
The only thing ant competitive about BM is that they have just blown the competition out of the water.
Argh, that's why I try to avoid forums like this. People always whinging!

Anticompetitive? Haha, now I've read it all. Give people more than what they expect for a steal of a price and some will still complain. Get a grip. Sell the dongle on ebay or buy another 'more competitive' camera for just over a grand that does internal 4k 12bit RAW and 10 Bit ProRes at 60p etc. 
The only thing ant competitive about BM is that they have just blown the competition out of the water.
Argh, that's why I try to avoid forums like this. People always whinging!

Anticompetitive? Haha, now I've read it all. Give people more than what they expect for a steal of a price and some will still complain. Get a grip. Sell the dongle on ebay or buy another 'more competitive' camera for just over a grand that does internal 4k 12bit RAW and 10 Bit ProRes at 60p etc. 
The only thing ant competitive about BM is that they have just blown the competition out of the water.
Argh, that's why I try to avoid forums like this. People always whinging!

Anticompetitive? Haha, now I've read it all. Give people more than what they expect for a steal of a price and some will still complain. Get a grip. Sell the dongle on ebay or buy another 'more competitive' camera for just over a grand that does internal 4k 12bit RAW and 10 Bit ProRes at 60p etc. 
The only thing ant competitive about BM is that they have just blown the competition out of the water.
Argh, that's why I try to avoid forums like this. People always whinging!

Good grief guys! Are people really complaining that they would like to have a cheaper option of the camera without resolve? As if the feature set v price is not good enough!!!??? 
Get a grip all,  how many cameras come with any editing software at all let alone the industry standard colour grading suite!
 
This camera is what it is. For the price, it's Amazing. If you can't make it work for you that's your issue, not the BMPCC4K's. 
 
 

Native ISO of 3200 plus a speedbooster is plenty for low light.

I would like to see someone make a battery grip for the Pocket 4k that could somehow house something like the Samsung ssd drive within it, can house an extra one or two batteries and have a usb-c connector lock device like the mini hdmi clamp found on some dslr cages. Would sell like hot cakes! 
Not keen on that idea, makes media managing that much harder on busy shoots. 

I would like to see someone make a battery grip for the Pocket 4k that could somehow house something like the Samsung ssd drive within it, can house an extra one or two batteries and have a usb-c connector lock device like the mini hdmi clamp found on some dslr cages. Would sell like hot cakes! 
Not keen on that idea, makes media managing that much harder on busy shoots. 

On the contrary, true professionals use the right tool for the job and do not rely on one camera to do everything. I've worked on high end TVC's where we have used an Alexa Mini, A7S and the old pocket cinema camera on the same shoot. Nobody cared what the clients would think (had 10 clients/ agency on set last shoot!)  about the A7S, a 'consumer camera' being used. A professional sees the potential in any camera and just gets on with the job of making great pictures while people on forums bitch and moan because they can't find the camera that does it all. 
The pocket 4K will be an amazing camera at an amazing price. Sure, a tilting screen and internel ND Filters would have been nice but they are easy fixes.
 

On the contrary, true professionals use the right tool for the job and do not rely on one camera to do everything. I've worked on high end TVC's where we have used an Alexa Mini, A7S and the old pocket cinema camera on the same shoot. Nobody cared what the clients would think (had 10 clients/ agency on set last shoot!)  about the A7S, a 'consumer camera' being used. A professional sees the potential in any camera and just gets on with the job of making great pictures while people on forums bitch and moan because they can't find the camera that does it all. 
The pocket 4K will be an amazing camera at an amazing price. Sure, a tilting screen and internel ND Filters would have been nice but they are easy fixes.
 

A $6000 dollar 'beast'  is unaffordable?  Surely if you need RAW then $6000 is super cheap compared to most other cameras out there.  Not long ago $15,000 got you 2/3" chips and a Hi8 or SVHS back!  You wanted 10bit, you needed to spend double that with similar features to this Ursa Mini Pro.  Sorry  I'm showing my age!
Not sure you can expect another RAW recording camera,  this time with 4.6k S35 sensor (original was s16)  for $995 unless you accept similar flaws to the original pocket.  The reason it was so cheap is because it was so underdeveloped so a sorted one will never fit into the same pricing strategy you mention. 
 
Id love you to prove me wrong,  but I don't expect it. 
 

I think for weddings,  the easier work flow of the GH4 would be far better and outweigh the advantages of the NX1.