Kristoferman

I was wrong it's only 60 bucks a year hah. 
I'm sure you wouldn't be able access your files and they reserve the right to delete them if you don't pay. I'd just recommend setting up the automatic payments and you're good to go. It's kind of an unbelievable deal imo.

Ursa mini is completely new and early adopters will have to live through it's inevitable bugs and quirks. F5 is a proven work horse.
You can also knock down the media costs by using qxd cards with adapters for internal recording.
Plus internal ND, plus significantly more light sensitivity.
And zero percent financing over 2 years is extremely nice from a business perspective.

So this was being discussed a bit in the ursa thread but I feel it deserves its own topic. 
Sony is now offering the F5 for $15,900. 24 month 0% financing.  The 4K internal model. This price includes the sony viewfinder, shoulder pad, tripod mount, sxs reader, full copy of davinci resolve AND the brand new a7s II camera. 
Seems like a pretty interesting deal! Does the f5 record ten bit prores to the shogun? I assume the internal 4K is 8 bit?
So do you guys like the deal?  Definitely an enticing package, no? 

Ursa mini is completely new and early adopters will have to live through it's inevitable bugs and quirks. F5 is a proven work horse.
You can also knock down the media costs by using qxd cards with adapters for internal recording.
Plus internal ND, plus significantly more light sensitivity.
And zero percent financing over 2 years is extremely nice from a business perspective.

I like the colors! Looks pretty good all around honestly

Benching 300 one time is still impressive though. Max days are a thing. 

Benching 300 one time is still impressive though. Max days are a thing. 

Benching 300 one time is still impressive though. Max days are a thing. 

Sure it's way more expensive once all of the stupidly overpriced accessories are added, but still...Getting a dragon sensor for 10K shootable is pretty cool in my opinion.
And 4K 120fps it's something pretty differentiating from others in its price bracket.
The only thing that's a deal breaker for me is the crop/mount combination. 

Has anyone seen this cinema 5D article?
https://***URL not allowed***/canon-c300-mark-ii-review-dynamic-range/
They claim useable dynamic range at 12.3, right around what they say the fs7 has. Would be pretty disappointing imo. Was hoping for at least over 13. 

Even though I'm not getting my hopes up, this would make me extremely happy if it's true. 

Well that's why you have a legitimate password. And if you think you wont be able to pay you download all of your files and back them up some other way (which would probably cost significantly more than whatever the yearly fee is). I dunno, unless you're enemies with mr. Robot , I don't see it as a bigger risk than backing it up yourself. 

Consider Amazon cloud storage. Unlimited cloud storage for like a hundred bucks a year.

I'm curious about this sort of assertion.  Not because higher latitudes are nice, but because viewers seldom got more than 12 stop of latitude from their cinema experiences during the first 95% of cinema history.  "Cinema style," by my own experience, isn't about the end viewer getting a ton of DR.
If you want to make a good documentary, DR and that sort of technical craftsmanship is a consideration yes, but I personally kind of think it should be farther down on the list of things to fret about.  Content demands to be king when it comes to docs.  How could it be otherwise?  If there's no story, how do awesome visuals overcome that sort of shortcoming?
When it comes to docs, I'd suggest being there and getting the coverage in the best way as possible for your project should be the main consideration.  Of course, the OP needs to balance those sorts of considerations out with what he ultimately wants IQ-wise.
Myself, I'd be perfectly content to shoot a doc on a NX1 with a 50mm lens.  If I knew I was going into a bunch of low-light situations, I'd consider a Sony.  I'd not worry about off-board video recording.  I mean, any camera with some talent behind the shooting will easily offer a "cinema" experience.

I'm hoping for a precipitous fall for f5 prices soon.

Comedy and sci-fi/action. Maybe some day I'll have enough money to make something

Comedy and sci-fi/action. Maybe some day I'll have enough money to make something

Take solace in the fact that no matter which camera you choose, it'll depreciate by 50% in a year when the newest version is released

​How about f1.2? I'll have something before this week is over.

You referring to color science or bit depth? From what I've seen the nx has great color science.

You referring to color science or bit depth? From what I've seen the nx has great color science.

You referring to color science or bit depth? From what I've seen the nx has great color science.

I didn't think the cuts were very interesting. The look wasn't varied enough. Some sort of lighting for his face would have gone a long way too. Overall, looks pretty amateur. Beautiful sky though.

I don't think the difference from 4.6 to 6k is that negligible for a production environment. But even beyond resolution, the kinemax holds other advantages.
Records internally to third party SSDs.
Has more frame rate, resolution, and aspect ratio options.
Interchangeable mounts.
First party speed boosters for full frame look
Shoots useable 6400 iso vs. 1600 max.
 
I love the images I'm seeing from this camera. If kinefinity ends up having legitimate customer support, i could definitely see choosing it over blackmagic.