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I just bought it and what I can say... I tried for some minutes it on my father's Canon 6D and it is just AWESOME!

I went far to ISO 3200 without problems! I tried only C-Log, Cinema 4 and Scarlet, in the next days I will try all the other profiles.

For the moment: 

- C-Log is awesome, great DR no problem with shadows as I have with V-Log L recorded internally on the GH4.
It's really a GIFT for any Canon user! You have to buy if you need a log profile! 
I'm going to try close to BlackMagic Micro Camera as soon as possible just to see differences and similarities.

- Cinema 4 is a "neutral" with better colors and a slightly better DR. Great! I really like it for a 90% ready look.

- Scarlet is a Fuji Velvia-like profile, with raised blacks, hyper saturated look (red blinks to my eyes) and less DR in order to have a great contrast.

I think that just C-Log could cost at least more then V-Log L (it works wonders at 8 bit, instead with GH4 you have to record externally 10 bit to appreciate it), you have a lot of other great profiles, so don't wait that Andrew changes mind and buy it now!  

Thank you Andrew! And Canon has to thank you, because I'm really thinking to buy again a Canon just to use your profiles! 

 

On 12 settembre 2016 at 11:33 AM, IronFilm said:

 

BMMCC and BMCC is not the same thing.

You're right, excuse me, I read Olympus 12-40 and to me that is a "combo" with my BMMCC, I did not consider there is also a m43 BMCC, not only an EF one 

I have this one, it is very good!

https://www.movofilms.be/movofilms-camera-cage-for-sony-a7-a7r-a7s.html

I've bougth it in a bigger rig and I leave a review on their website: https://www.movofilms.be/movofilms-professional-camera-support-kit.html
I used it this week extensively (10 hours/day for 5 days) and it is sturdy!

If you are talking about the Olympus 12-40 f/2.8 Pro for m43 you can control the aperture electronically from the BMMCC with no issue. I use this combo often.

2 hours ago, IronFilm said:

Yes. I use that as well.

Thank you  
 

4 hours ago, IronFilm said:

Do it. 

v2 is a big improvement over the original that you might read some sound pros complain about 

Thank you very much IronFilm  
Do you know if I to buy also this accessory or the Blimp can be mounted as it is on the boom? 
https://www.thomann.de/it/rode_universal_blimp_mount.htm 

Thank you!

At the end I've bought the Sennheiser MKE 600: I'm very happy with it, it seems it has a good output and works fine with the Zoom H5. 

I'm considering to buy the Rode Blimp MkII for canceling wind and noises as much as possible. What do you think about Blimp?  

At the end I've bought a Sennheiser MKE 600, I like it very much. The windscreen foam is quite goot to fight the wind and I'm thinking to buy the Rode Blimp MkII  

Ciao, is the pre-order over? Or are there some discount code? I would love to buy it!

5 hours ago, jagnje said:

I`ve used ML 3 times a week for 6 hours studio sessions for 2 years. Not raw though, but sofware itself is very reliable.

I used for some days and I had some freezes and some exposure problems. The peak focus gave me some inconsistent results. 
For me RAW on 5D MkIII is like the V-Log L on my GH4... something "fixed" in post, that could work but it is not perfectly finished.

It was just my experience, nothing scientific: I started to shoot with Canon, when I saw the limits in the codec I went to Panasonic (a couple of years ago with the G6 and the GH4)  and I have no reason - for they way I use the cameras -  to return to Canon if they don't make something similar or better then GH4, G7 or BlackMagic Micro / Pocket / Cinema.

1 hour ago, Cinegain said:

I hope they do an end of summer sale on the micro, then I might get one too.

It is amazing, I love the codec, my only complaint is the lack of a button for every basic function such as ISO, shutter, WB. 

4 hours ago, sanveer said:

When the Canon 5D Mark ii came out it only shot H.264, and yet, after the Magic Lantern Hack, it shot 14-bit RAW. 
 

Yes, but it's a hack: Canon is still selling 2009's video codec in their DSLR, just to be sure you buy the C line for filmmaking. 

My father has both 5D MKII and 5D MKIII for photos. I hacked them to try ML, but I would not use them for other then personal/repeatable gigs, since they are not reliable with ML loaded. Also: the menus and all the GUI of ML s not that great.
Nothing to say about the quality, but until Canon will not decide to produce their cameras with that features it will be not really usable for paid gigs where time is a factor.

I prefer to use my Lumix (GH4 and G7, GH4 never in V-Log, I made some tests also in ProRes 10 bit with video assist and I prefer to use them with Andy's "Natural" profile) and the little awesome BM Micro Cinema when I have more time between the shots. 

The Micro or the Pocket are way more reliable if you need RAW or Log.

Of course, my opinion  
 

26 minutes ago, Cassius McGowan said:

Thanks for the info man.

Do you think I should sale my gh4 and get 3 G7's?

I own a GH4, after Andy's advice I've bought a G7 and in 4K is really better! Of course the 50p of GH4 has some more informations, but G7 is a really great camera, really better in low light.

1 hour ago, Bioskop.Inc said:

I'm fine with the Pocket & don't understand why people find it hard to use - set the WB & set the ASA/ISO & then all you need is to tweek the F Stop and/or the ND. The battery life is a not a point of contention, as when you swap the SD card, you swap the battery - 45mins is fine & you get used to switching the unit off/on when not in use. I've used it for Run'n'Gun for shooting concerts & in more controlled settings - practice & getting to know your camera, that's the key. And it's nothing like a DSLR & that's what stumps most people - learning a new technique/camera is fun IMHO.

When I have a single / two scenario I use it and I love it. I have to rig it with the BM Video Assist (that is quite nice) and it is a little less easy to work with in places where we have permits. 
When I have to in 4, 5, 6 different places in 3 hours and have to switch from 3200K to 5400, from 200 to 800 ISO etc... I find the G7 more "fast"
Of course I do love the ProRes it gaves me and I find it very Arri-like  

12 minutes ago, Bioskop.Inc said:

IMHO anything promoting the BMPCC [or BMMCC] over 4K 8-bit cameras is a good thing.

I know no camera is perfect (especially in the prosumer market), but in my experience the Pocket was the image & codec i'd been longing for ever since I had to take a hit & demote myself to using H264. It's not 4K, but when I saw the image quality and started working with ProRes (let alone RAW) I knew I'd finally come home - no more wasting time on dreaming about which camera to own next. Some people might say it's only 1080p, but with an anmorphic lens it ends up being way over the standard Cinema DCP 2K (2.39) & you end up squeezing the image down rather than up. I still have my 60d for taking pictures & that's why I bought a hybrid in the first place - the video mode was always going to get replaced with something better sooner or later and now I have the best of both worlds.

As far as marketing/advertising etc., of course one must always beware with these capitalists! But when they bring people's attention to something good, i'm more forgiving - at least for the time being.

I had the Pocket and now the Micro. It's fantastic, I don't really need the 4K, but it is a "cinema" camera. You need time to set up it, time to swap batteries etc... and for rush - or low budget / no budget - gigs is not the best candidate. 
I find the GH4 (and now the G7) far more easy to manage, they share the same lens park and I use 90% of the time the Panasonic instead of the Micro. Of course I love the internal Micro's ProRes, it is just awesome and quite easy to grade in post while with Panasonic you have to nail 85% of the look in camera, because the V-Log, even recorded in the BM Video Assist is not something I use on the GH4.

In my small experience LOG needs 10 bits and GH4 (or G7) are not that better recorded in ProRes, the codec is great in "Natural" setting, recorded internally and I use them in that way. 
 

6 hours ago, Matias Goinheix said:

I was considering it. It's 2500 now, and I would only need to get some batteries and cards. I love the form factor and the video look. But the A7s is a lot better in low light and it can output 4k video.

I'll do some research about the G7 tomorrow. I have to admit that it's not under my radar. I've read a lot about the GH4 though. I deffinitely need some better glass too.

I own both GH4 and G7: in 4K the G7 is better especially in low light, but of course also the GH4 is a little monster.
I also own a BM Micro Cinema, great cinematic 1080 camera, but it is slower to use, for every setting you have to enter in the menu while with G7 and GH4 you can set WB, shutter speed, aperture etc... from a dedicated button. If you are in rush G7 and GH4 are a better choice.
If you think to GH4 I would buy 2 G7

I also suggest the Panasonic G7: great camera with awesome features. 
You add some nice lenses, maybe Canon FD with a passive adapter or Contax Zeiss and that's it. If you need a wide lens there is the native Olympus 12-40 f/2.8 that is super good.
I added this rig, very nice: https://www.movofilms.be/movofilms-professional-camera-support-kit.html 

Thank you very much!  

19 hours ago, andy lee said:

Andy, which tripod with fluid head do you suggest without spending too much for G7 / GH4  rigged as yours?
Thank you very much!  
 

6 hours ago, IronFilm said:

SmartLav+ is just a lav. Not wireless. So you can't monitor.

RODE makes many different microphones, all at a low price. As they target the low end.

 

The best one is the NTG3.

 

I have the NTG2 which is much worse. I've thought if I'd do it again I might get the MKE600 instead? Don't know much about the NTG4 but seems to just be a slightly improved NTG2

Thank you

3 hours ago, HelsinkiZim said:

I make no claims to knowing the guy, being a part of anything other than being his fan for the past 3 years.

He introduced me to blackmagic, because when I searched for blackmagic in 2014 his vimeo channel came up all the time.

He started with, if I remember, the pocket and then moved on to the cinema camea. He built his own light systems and taught himself pseudo 3d animation to complete his money shots. His talent was his wife. Who, if I remember, was a painter or photographer, I don't know, but she was not shy. Yes, it sounds like a 'latching on to success' post, but really, I thought he was very strange. But I wathecd all his early videos like a hawk because he had, what we call, 'talent'. He got hired by some agency based on his shorts and I thought he was gone. Then a week ago I see  promo for a film BASED ON HIS SHORT.

To me, he is an inspiration.

His movie is trending worldwide, its called Lights Out. Look through his videos to find his inspiration.

Here's the profile https://vimeo.com/dauid

Try to watch his behind the scenes if you can where he gets a bit nuts with piping and hardware lighting.

We should support him fully!

He's great!!! 
I love also his BTS!

8 hours ago, IronFilm said:

MKE600 + 2x Saramonic UwMic10 

Thank you IronFilm!

Since I have not big experience with shotgun, is the mke600 better then Rode?

do you think also the saramonic could outperform the SmartLav+?

thank you!

The BM Pocket and the Micro are also great, but I find them great when you have time to set them. When you are in rush (run & gun) they are slower, especially outdoor and the battery's life is poor compared to Panasonic. 
I think Panasonic in "natural" Andy' setting, after a good color correction are almost indistinguishable from real cinema camera. I mean: I do love my BM Micro, but I'm faster with Panasonic and the internal codec is really good. 
 

43 minutes ago, andy lee said:

Im going to throw Panasonic into the equation, I just shot a Feature film with 6 Panasonic G7 cameras with Nikon Glass and Metabones XL speedboosters and Gini Rigs cages

 

G7 in 4k is an amazing camera I tested it at length against a RED Epic and Arri Alexa and we all prefered the image fom the Panasonic especialy in low light it out performed the Epic , so much cleaner image off the Panasonic no noise or fizz in the blacks like the Epic had.

I shot the movie with these lenses

Nikon 80-200 f2.8 'Bourne Lens'

Nikon 28-70mm f2.8 'Bourne Lens'

Nikon 20-35mm f2.8

all on Metabones speedbooster XLs to give a Super 35mm field of view on the G7 it also made the f1.7 contant apperture zoom .

The Nikon Glass with the Metabones XL gives a look very similar to Zeiss Master Prime lnes its that sharp and good.

with those 3 lenses you can shoot your entire movie

Yesterday I had my first real gig with both G7 and GH4. Cleanest image (in 4K) then GH4 in low light and at 800 ISO. Great awesome camera! 
Thank you very much fro the advice! 
 

1 hour ago, mercer said:

Since you are personifying an inanimate object, or animal, you should definitely record that dialogue with the same mic the other actor's were recorded with. 

With all of that being said, if I were you, I would get a Rode and a deadcat, or get a couple small recorders... Even some higher end dictation recorders can be used because they are small, or the Little Darling recorders from JuicedLink, or the Tascam that IronFilm linked to, and get some lav mics... You can get a decent one for less than a hundred. I've used Azden lavs and the sound is good enough... They cost 25 dollars.

The inanimate object is 99% of the time indoor, so I could use the normal condenser pencil with the Zoom H5.

Do you think the SmartLav+ could be useful for outdoor instead of the shotgun?
Or which Rode Pro do you think is ok for that work (and maybe for indoor also, just to not change sound from indoor to outdoor)?

I run a recording studio and I do a lot of voice over, I sometimes recorded ADR for some shorts, but they always was like 3 minutes shorts with maybe 1 minutes of dialogues... 
Audio on set is something completely different, a really difficult task!

Thank you!