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    deezid reacted to hyalinejim in Panasonic S5 II (What does Panasonic have up their sleeve?)   
    Personally, I would never, ever in a million years add sharpening to a video clip.
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    deezid got a reaction from Emanuel in Which phone is best to film 8K video?   
    The regular S23 4K cDNG in Motioncam blew me away. Looks better than anything than I've ever seen from any phone, crappy and heavily processed "8K" phone included.
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    deezid got a reaction from Chxfgb in Which phone is best to film 8K video?   
    The regular S23 4K cDNG in Motioncam blew me away. Looks better than anything than I've ever seen from any phone, crappy and heavily processed "8K" phone included.
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    deezid reacted to Beritar in Panasonic S5 II (What does Panasonic have up their sleeve?)   
    Why ? To see that both the A7III and S5II can't be sharpened (in camera or in post) because of the huge amount of noise reduction and detals filtering. The bad light is used to see how the cameras perform in difficult situations and how they use their noise reduction algorithm.

    Seriously I can see the difference even when viewing in 1080P, both the A7III and the S5II smooth details a lot compared to the S5, to the point that adding sharpness in post just look like upscaled from a lower resolution.
    If you can't see the difference and use the Panasonic standard profiles, you can buy the camera with confidence, but personally I see a big difference with the previous Panasonic S cameras. It is the most aggressive NR, and over sharpening (especially in 6K) i've ever seen on any Panasonic camera to date.
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    deezid reacted to SRV1981 in Panasonic S5 II (What does Panasonic have up their sleeve?)   
    I liked the a7iv in this
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    deezid reacted to markr041 in GoPro Hero 11 is approaching Cinema Camera Standards with New Updates   
    OK, now we have with the latest GoPro Labs firmware the ability to use a color gamut (WIDE) that contains all the color the sensor can recognize, way wider than REC709. Leeming makes a LUT that transforms the WIDE gamut to REC709. This is the test video I shot using the Flog (Fuji) gamma setting, WIDE 10bit color, and graded using the Leeming LUT:
     
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    deezid got a reaction from Emanuel in Comparing the Canon EOS R7, R10, Fuji X-H2 & Panasonic S5 II   
    Seriously!!!
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    deezid reacted to Attila Bakos in Fuji X-H2S   
    Remember we discussed earlier that X-H2s 6.2K ProRes RAW has a hot pixel at the exact same location for everyone?
    I spent days to create an executable in C++ that removes that hot pixel from the DNG raw file created from ProRes RAW.
    I was just about to post it here but then I noticed that this is not a hot pixel issue at all! All pixels in the same row right from the hot pixel are shifted towards the right.
    See here:

    It starts with the hot pixel, and it goes all the way to the right edge.
    Or here (this is the right edge of an image, you don't see the hot pixel here, it's somewhere in the middle):

     
    Atomos says it's Fuji's fault, and as usual, Fuji couldn't care less.
    Atomos is also silent about the framerate bug I discovered. A new firmware was released just now and it's not fixed, it's not even listed in the known bugs.
    Stuff like this makes me really disillusioned.
     
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    deezid reacted to TomTheDP in Comparing the Canon EOS R7, R10, Fuji X-H2 & Panasonic S5 II   
    How does Panasonic have a perfect IQ processing formula and than mess it up upon every new release? lol
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    deezid got a reaction from PannySVHS in Comparing the Canon EOS R7, R10, Fuji X-H2 & Panasonic S5 II   
    It has the worst tonality and color separation of any camera I've tried over the past 4 years. To be fair I never tried the X-T4 and 3, which are considered even worse in that regard. To add the image is also heavily oversharpened in comparison to even Sony cameras.

    Also the Long-Gop codecs have heavy 1-sec interval flickering and the All-I codecs are impossible to edit on M2 Max machines even, which means you basically have to shoot ProRes.

    No issues with external BRAW though, all the color information is definitely there from the sensor. The internal image processing is just awful but once bypassed you'll get a nice image. With ProRes RAW the image is even better.
    Dynamic range with the 12 bit readout for external RAW is pretty much identical to the 14 bit readout, you won't get more than 12 stops either way. Only advantage over other cameras is that the X-H2s still has is its fast readout.
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    deezid got a reaction from Django in Comparing the Canon EOS R7, R10, Fuji X-H2 & Panasonic S5 II   
    It has the worst tonality and color separation of any camera I've tried over the past 4 years. To be fair I never tried the X-T4 and 3, which are considered even worse in that regard. To add the image is also heavily oversharpened in comparison to even Sony cameras.

    Also the Long-Gop codecs have heavy 1-sec interval flickering and the All-I codecs are impossible to edit on M2 Max machines even, which means you basically have to shoot ProRes.

    No issues with external BRAW though, all the color information is definitely there from the sensor. The internal image processing is just awful but once bypassed you'll get a nice image. With ProRes RAW the image is even better.
    Dynamic range with the 12 bit readout for external RAW is pretty much identical to the 14 bit readout, you won't get more than 12 stops either way. Only advantage over other cameras is that the X-H2s still has is its fast readout.
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    deezid got a reaction from Thpriest in Comparing the Canon EOS R7, R10, Fuji X-H2 & Panasonic S5 II   
    Keep in mind that the S5II has wildly different color than the S1 and S5, which both looked identical.
    Also the S5II has some image-processing related flaws which still need to be fixed. I'll hear from a person who is close to engineers soon hopefully wether this issue will be solved or not.

    If not I would highly recommend looking out for the R6II or even Pocket 6K or just staying with the S1 if video quality is important to you. Skip any Sony (unless you can afford the A1 or FX6) or Fuji cameras.

    The banding artefacts are quite obvious in darker areas on the S5II, so in case you intend to do some lowkey style shooting you will run into problems. Some examples:
    https://www.cined.com/panasonic-lumix-s5-ii-lab-test-rolling-shutter-dynamic-range-and-latitude/ (latitude tests)
     
    Also seen here, red and green banding, similar to GH4 back in the days, both 10 bit 422 and external ProRes.

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    deezid got a reaction from Emanuel in Comparing the Canon EOS R7, R10, Fuji X-H2 & Panasonic S5 II   
    Keep in mind that the S5II has wildly different color than the S1 and S5, which both looked identical.
    Also the S5II has some image-processing related flaws which still need to be fixed. I'll hear from a person who is close to engineers soon hopefully wether this issue will be solved or not.

    If not I would highly recommend looking out for the R6II or even Pocket 6K or just staying with the S1 if video quality is important to you. Skip any Sony (unless you can afford the A1 or FX6) or Fuji cameras.

    The banding artefacts are quite obvious in darker areas on the S5II, so in case you intend to do some lowkey style shooting you will run into problems. Some examples:
    https://www.cined.com/panasonic-lumix-s5-ii-lab-test-rolling-shutter-dynamic-range-and-latitude/ (latitude tests)
     
    Also seen here, red and green banding, similar to GH4 back in the days, both 10 bit 422 and external ProRes.

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    deezid got a reaction from Chxfgb in Which phone is best to film 8K video?   
    Get an Android phone that supports motion cam.
    Shoot 4K cDNG and upscale in post.

    The S23 actually does an incredible job with motion cam.

    Will look at least 10x better than any garbage like 4K and 8K phone video, iPhone ProRes included.
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    deezid got a reaction from Beritar in Panasonic S5 II (What does Panasonic have up their sleeve?)   
    Also cameras such as the Canon R6II or Sony FX6/FX9 don't have any of these crazy NR and oversharpening issues despite using Phase AF.

    It's not a hardware issue but an image processing flaw.
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    deezid got a reaction from PannySVHS in Panasonic S5 II (What does Panasonic have up their sleeve?)   
    sorry about the late answer.
    Not sure about the S5II's banding issues in dark areas. Waiting on former updates by Panasonic on firmware updates before I'd recommend this camera.

    Unlike oversharpening there's nothing that can be done to hide banding artefacts.
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    deezid reacted to PPNS in How does the FS5ii autofocus compare to the a7siii ?   
    and the image quality happens to be ass as well
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    deezid got a reaction from Emanuel in Which phone is best to film 8K video?   
    Get an Android phone that supports motion cam.
    Shoot 4K cDNG and upscale in post.

    The S23 actually does an incredible job with motion cam.

    Will look at least 10x better than any garbage like 4K and 8K phone video, iPhone ProRes included.
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    deezid reacted to Beritar in Panasonic S5 II (What does Panasonic have up their sleeve?)   
    I don't think the issue is Phase Detect because V-Log on the S5II (while sharper than before) has not the insane sharpening and chroma noise reduction that the standard profiles have.
    Moreover, nor my A7III and IV smooth details like this at low ISO and yet they use Phase detect.
    There are just bad processing going on internaly on the standard profiles with the S5II.
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    deezid reacted to Beritar in Panasonic S5 II (What does Panasonic have up their sleeve?)   
    About the GH6, I've not used it a lot but even with HLG and V-Log (H265) and I feel the details rendering is slightly different compared to the GH5, maybe because of some details filtering ("Intelligent detail filtering" from Panasonic) but there is a difference, like if the GH6 smooths and sharpens some details in the same time, a bit like with the S5II standard profiles but far less pronounced.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=55RygnQqAbU
    I think Deezid used the GH6 a lot more than me thought and said Prores has less noise reduction so maybe the details rendering is better than with H265. 
    These days, many brands use a lot sharpening and different type of noise reduction, sadly most of the time there is no way to disable them.
    It is true that there is no chance your clients could spot the loss of details, but I use Panasonic cameras since a very long time and I loved the way I could crop or extract picture from my videos while retaining a lot of details, like a true Jpeg picture without too much noise processing or digital sharpening. We can't do this anymore with the S5II standard profiles because there are too much processing going on internally, exactly like on smartphones.
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    deezid reacted to Al Dolega in Panasonic S5 II (What does Panasonic have up their sleeve?)   
    Very disappointing, the smoothing and sharpening are part of what we're trying to avoid by shooting on a "real" camera! I hope they've addressed this in firmware by the time my S5IIX comes in.
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    deezid got a reaction from Beritar in Panasonic S5 II (What does Panasonic have up their sleeve?)   
    That's what's also called the smartphone processing approach, apply tons of spatial and temporal filtering and another layer of heavy sharpening to compensate.
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    deezid got a reaction from PannySVHS in Panasonic S5 II (What does Panasonic have up their sleeve?)   
    That's what's also called the smartphone processing approach, apply tons of spatial and temporal filtering and another layer of heavy sharpening to compensate.
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    deezid reacted to Beritar in Panasonic S5 II (What does Panasonic have up their sleeve?)   
    Another test between the S5II and the S5, this time with the Natural Profile (640 ISO) :



     

    I'm not a fan of extreme sharpening but it's not really an issue if it can be dialed down enough, the important thing is to keep details.
    The S5II uses a lot of sharpening at -5 but it also uses a lot of details filtering (look at the orange background) ,and of course adding sharpness in post can't help to recover details.
    I think I never seen an imaqe quality so bad from a Panasonic camera of this price (V-Log has less issues but this is not the always the best profile for some situations).
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