slakjaw

Déjà vu - right.

I did not. wow... guess I was wrong. I didnt think they would even turn a profit on the 750 after I read the release specs. 

I am a man and I can admit when I was wrong. if I have to. I guess. 

Interesting thread.

 

Now be honest fellas.  Which of you correctly forecasted the Nikon D750's Amazon sales rank...

 

I agree. Ask them tough questions. just be prepared for BS replies that go nowhere. 

Can we get a kickstarter to fund someone to just smack every single Nikon rep and if they don't like it to smack them again please?

Thats the only thing that might wake them up. 

lol. seriously, wtf Nikon. lol smh lol.

Without debating whether Andrew is right or not I can tell you will 100% certitude the average consumer rarely if ever uses their DSLR to make videos and that is not a big driver when they are buying a camera.  I can also tell you that the majority of DSLRs the largest camera maker in the world sells cost less than $1,100.  So the idea mirrorless camers selling for $1,700 and $2,500 are in any significant way responsible for the DSLR sales drop is ludicrous.  I don't know how many times it needs to be said.

 

I was out shooting with a friend.  They had their Canon Rebel set up on a tripod and took a picture.  Without missing a beat they pulled their iphone out of their pocket and shot a short handheld video.  I repeat, they had a Canon DSLR bolted to a tripod with an L lens attached... and they made a handheld video with a cell phone.  That person is not buying an a7s.  I'm sorry.

 

 

 

Yes B&H may sell a lot of GH4s but you have to understand in a country of 310+ million people it is probably one of only a handful of places you can get a Panasonic GH4.  A month ago the BMPCC was probably the number one or two selling camera at B&H.  Does that mean it is responsible for the drop in DSLR sales... or does that mean B&H is one of only a handful of authorized dealers that sell the camera... in a country of 310+ million people.

And really what do you think the production run is for the GH4?  I can tell you it is nowhere near the size of the production run of a Canon Rebel at launch.  So the fact it sold out doesn't prove anything.  In the United States we have a company called Microsoft and when they made their first modern tablet they had some people in the marketing department that succumbed to irrational exuberance.  They made way too many of the tablets and they are still selling them as new YEARS later... and after multiple substantial price cuts.  So what did they do for the next model?  They made a much smaller production run and voila!  All of a sudden the Surface 2 was selling out everywhere.

 

As I said before this is more about understanding marketing than anything else.  Things you guys have to understand are... video isn't that important to the average consumer; the average consumer isn't going to pay over $1,100 for a camera body; just because NEW DSLR sales are down doesn't mean USED sales are down or that people who already own DSLRs aren't using them any more.  Sales can't go up forever.  Once the product gets to a certain level of quality and everyone has one it is perfectly natural for new sales to go do.  Eventually you will only be selling to hardcore gear heads, new immigrants, and new people that are born.  While that isn't great for stock prices I fail to see why it has any relevance to the average consumer.

 

Marketing 101...

 

 

lol smh lol. no. its not about "Marketing 101" lol go look at the stock prices for Nikon and Canon. both are around 5 year lows. this has nothing to do with product life cycle. it is plain and simple people are buying less dslrs over a pretty long period of time. And you are right Nikon and Canon arent going anywhere anytime soon but this is still a trend. so at what point in time does a long term trend become the norrn for you? 

We have a short wait till the 7D mkII and Nikons D750. Let see how dslr sales skyrocket with these. I dont think they are going to sell very many of either. When sales do not skyrocket, maybe that would be a good time for you to start asking why then see andrews list. 

Interesting narrative you came up with though. 

I agree with Andrew for the most part. while i dont think they have to make a mirrorless, nikon and canon are feeling some pain right now. Nikon especially. I am not sure Nikon will ever recover and they might get bought out in another year or two. Nikon stock shows everything and is all the proof I need. Canon will be able to keep going like a zombie missing an arm for a while.

Am I the only one who watched it on mute? Try watching it on mute. its better that way.

I was at the state fair last year and I had my camera hanging down my back while I was having a beer. some dude snuck up to it and did the shocker symbol and pushed the shutter button. He got off a few shots before I noticed. So I went ahead and put his photo on craigslist casual encounters male seeking male section.

And I laughed pretty hard about it.