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I have been insulted also on other forums, when I explained why I strongly believed it was a Canon limitation on purpose (once we got various bits of info like the camera keeping same behavior regardless of temperatures etc) on the early days. 
Those people / other sites shut their mouth now. But who cares...
I and a lot of other people appreciate the digging you have done.
Don’t worry about Canon their image is impacted you can be sure of that. Tons of people around me are just like me maintaining their preorder because they have a chance to make it right but if they don’t they will go fuck themselves with their camera. 
A lot of people at Canon need to be fired. It’s a big mess. They just have to make it right... but those Japanese you know what it means for them loosing the face....
All they need to do is a small SW update to make it the best hybrid on the market. If they don’t fix it that means somewhere between 80-99% of hybrid shooters (= who care about video) will go elsewhere. I won’t buy their EOS 70 cine mini camera. It won’t be good in photo. Give us the god damn hybrid photo video tool we need. 

Because as an hybrid photo/video shooter in wild/extreme sport environment, it’s the best tool (would be) for the job. It’s an extreme frustration to have to go through what Canon is doing right now, but I would shoot myself hard in the foot if I would use something else should they fix the issue.  

However I have done my part. Since the 5D3 I stopped shooting Canon and never gave them a cent because of their crippling. I have a dozen people around me who listen to my camera/tech advice (mostly for beginner camera stuff) over the last few years. I all made them buy Nikon for photography and Sony for video.  

Now for me the R5 is a million step above anything else just because it combines FF + no crop + 4K120 + 10 bit + best ergonomics + 45mpx + best colors + best AF + best in class IBIS. The AF on Panasonic is not usable for me, the Sony you have to carry 2 cameras to have both still and video which I cannot do, and so on. 
So I am ready to give again Canon my money, if they fix it of course. It sucks what they do, but it would suck more to use anything else. In the end, what matters most is if someone correct is fault or not. I will not forgive them, but I’ll buy the R5 if that software limitation goes away. 

Let’s be realistic though, I am afraid all they will give us is 50% more recording time and 50% faster recovery or some BS like that. I hope I am wrong. 

Can’t believe already 5 assholes dislike the video. Please the whole EOSHD community go like and share the video. This needs to make noise. 
Imagine the face of those decision makers at Canon. Freaking ridiculous lol, those should resign and vow to never ever work again for any company. What do this clowned thought? That nobody would ever notice? How can you be dumb enough to implement such limitation and expect people to never find out? Lol.

A big pros to the engineers who designed this camera though. Without software limitation decided by whoever it’s clearly the camera of the decade!

When I say that I do not care, I mean that I do not care if they put a limitation in the camera if then they remove it. 
A company is here to make profit. When they "listen" like Fuji and bring you a good feature update, that's not to make you happy or because they are nice guys. Fuji CEO couldn't care less about you, as much as Canon CEO. They do bring that update because they think you are more likely to buy their camera and stay with them if they do it. They do it for your money. 

Stop being blind, camera manufacturers are not charity. They want to make money, and they happen to have different strategies for doing so. Canon strategy is to cripple lower priced camera to have you buy a more expensive one. Fuji strategy is to bring you software update and pretend they listened to you. I agree that Fuji strategy is much better. Yet for my need, the R5 could be a much better tool than any Fuji or Panasonic on the market. At the end of the day is what TOOL do you need, and which company is making that tool. The tool I need today, a hybrid 50/50 photo/video FF camera with 4K60/120 and IBIS and great AF only exists with Canon appart from their soft limitation. They remove the limitation I buy it. they don't remove it I don't buy it. Nobody is walking over me, I am making a choice based on my need. If you don't buy the R5 in case they fix it despite the fact it was the tool you needed just to punish them, you actually roll over yourself. 

I can’t believe 80% of the internet are in disbelief with the truth. 
Some weird humans will invent the most non sense to say that no Canon didn’t cripple anything and did their best they could. L o L.
We have a dozen proof they did not do their best by far with that overheating. 
Canon fucked up. Let’s see if they make it right now. Firmware update with less recording limit already rumored by CR. 
I have a very bad feeling that Canon will update their crippled software by allowing a few minutes more recording but still very long recovery and the same cripple timer, just to say « hey we listened ». With no real world change for us. Obviously they are not gonna remove the thing altogether or that would mean telling the public « we took everyone for a fool thinking it would never be discovered, sorry to be the dumbest company on this planet ». No chance with those Japanese. 
 
Jesus. We were so close with that R5. So close. Frustrating to say the least.

And I will be one of them. I could not care less about Canon, Sony or any other business and how they treat their customers. 
If Canon give me the camera I want which NO other manufacturer can offer me, I'll buy it even if they initially lied about overheating. It's not like they killed children in Africa. 
They are little bastards trying to make us buy their big Cine cameras by crippling the R5 but that's about it. If they offer the best I'll buy the best. I am not gonna buy a much inferior A7S III just to punish Canon lol. 

Now that's if they make it the best, which means removing that software limit. If they keep it as is, the R5 is then the inferior product and is good for a return and other companies can take my money. 
Consumers have no mercy. I can tell you that if they don't change that they will loose all video shooters on the R5. Maybe they don't care and won't change it, if they want that money they will change it and people will buy it. Maybe 2 or 3 people won't for punishing the bad Canon but ultimately they are punishing themselves from not using the superior product. 
There is no way around it. Fix the god damn camera so we can buy it, or sell it to photographers only and go F yourself Canon. 

When I say that I do not care, I mean that I do not care if they put a limitation in the camera if then they remove it. 
A company is here to make profit. When they "listen" like Fuji and bring you a good feature update, that's not to make you happy or because they are nice guys. Fuji CEO couldn't care less about you, as much as Canon CEO. They do bring that update because they think you are more likely to buy their camera and stay with them if they do it. They do it for your money. 

Stop being blind, camera manufacturers are not charity. They want to make money, and they happen to have different strategies for doing so. Canon strategy is to cripple lower priced camera to have you buy a more expensive one. Fuji strategy is to bring you software update and pretend they listened to you. I agree that Fuji strategy is much better. Yet for my need, the R5 could be a much better tool than any Fuji or Panasonic on the market. At the end of the day is what TOOL do you need, and which company is making that tool. The tool I need today, a hybrid 50/50 photo/video FF camera with 4K60/120 and IBIS and great AF only exists with Canon appart from their soft limitation. They remove the limitation I buy it. they don't remove it I don't buy it. Nobody is walking over me, I am making a choice based on my need. If you don't buy the R5 in case they fix it despite the fact it was the tool you needed just to punish them, you actually roll over yourself. 

When I say that I do not care, I mean that I do not care if they put a limitation in the camera if then they remove it. 
A company is here to make profit. When they "listen" like Fuji and bring you a good feature update, that's not to make you happy or because they are nice guys. Fuji CEO couldn't care less about you, as much as Canon CEO. They do bring that update because they think you are more likely to buy their camera and stay with them if they do it. They do it for your money. 

Stop being blind, camera manufacturers are not charity. They want to make money, and they happen to have different strategies for doing so. Canon strategy is to cripple lower priced camera to have you buy a more expensive one. Fuji strategy is to bring you software update and pretend they listened to you. I agree that Fuji strategy is much better. Yet for my need, the R5 could be a much better tool than any Fuji or Panasonic on the market. At the end of the day is what TOOL do you need, and which company is making that tool. The tool I need today, a hybrid 50/50 photo/video FF camera with 4K60/120 and IBIS and great AF only exists with Canon appart from their soft limitation. They remove the limitation I buy it. they don't remove it I don't buy it. Nobody is walking over me, I am making a choice based on my need. If you don't buy the R5 in case they fix it despite the fact it was the tool you needed just to punish them, you actually roll over yourself. 

And I will be one of them. I could not care less about Canon, Sony or any other business and how they treat their customers. 
If Canon give me the camera I want which NO other manufacturer can offer me, I'll buy it even if they initially lied about overheating. It's not like they killed children in Africa. 
They are little bastards trying to make us buy their big Cine cameras by crippling the R5 but that's about it. If they offer the best I'll buy the best. I am not gonna buy a much inferior A7S III just to punish Canon lol. 

Now that's if they make it the best, which means removing that software limit. If they keep it as is, the R5 is then the inferior product and is good for a return and other companies can take my money. 
Consumers have no mercy. I can tell you that if they don't change that they will loose all video shooters on the R5. Maybe they don't care and won't change it, if they want that money they will change it and people will buy it. Maybe 2 or 3 people won't for punishing the bad Canon but ultimately they are punishing themselves from not using the superior product. 
There is no way around it. Fix the god damn camera so we can buy it, or sell it to photographers only and go F yourself Canon. 

And I will be one of them. I could not care less about Canon, Sony or any other business and how they treat their customers. 
If Canon give me the camera I want which NO other manufacturer can offer me, I'll buy it even if they initially lied about overheating. It's not like they killed children in Africa. 
They are little bastards trying to make us buy their big Cine cameras by crippling the R5 but that's about it. If they offer the best I'll buy the best. I am not gonna buy a much inferior A7S III just to punish Canon lol. 

Now that's if they make it the best, which means removing that software limit. If they keep it as is, the R5 is then the inferior product and is good for a return and other companies can take my money. 
Consumers have no mercy. I can tell you that if they don't change that they will loose all video shooters on the R5. Maybe they don't care and won't change it, if they want that money they will change it and people will buy it. Maybe 2 or 3 people won't for punishing the bad Canon but ultimately they are punishing themselves from not using the superior product. 
There is no way around it. Fix the god damn camera so we can buy it, or sell it to photographers only and go F yourself Canon. 

And I will be one of them. I could not care less about Canon, Sony or any other business and how they treat their customers. 
If Canon give me the camera I want which NO other manufacturer can offer me, I'll buy it even if they initially lied about overheating. It's not like they killed children in Africa. 
They are little bastards trying to make us buy their big Cine cameras by crippling the R5 but that's about it. If they offer the best I'll buy the best. I am not gonna buy a much inferior A7S III just to punish Canon lol. 

Now that's if they make it the best, which means removing that software limit. If they keep it as is, the R5 is then the inferior product and is good for a return and other companies can take my money. 
Consumers have no mercy. I can tell you that if they don't change that they will loose all video shooters on the R5. Maybe they don't care and won't change it, if they want that money they will change it and people will buy it. Maybe 2 or 3 people won't for punishing the bad Canon but ultimately they are punishing themselves from not using the superior product. 
There is no way around it. Fix the god damn camera so we can buy it, or sell it to photographers only and go F yourself Canon. 

Who cares about a workaround for 4K24p?? Every camera does that since a long time. There is no workaround for 4K60p and 120p, recording externally is not option otherwise we would use proper cine camera if weight and size wasn't an issue. 
I am fine working with time limitations to get those heat producing features (like 15min max in 4K120) as long as taking stills / be in the menus do not lower those limitations and as long as the camera recovers similarly to any other camera on the market, and not in 2+ hours like it seems to be the case. 
For me it has never been about the initial time recording limitation, which are understandable, but about the recovery time and the camera heating by itself when on. The latter is what makes the camera barely usable for any usage and could have EASILY been avoided by Canon technically as proven by competitors. It's likely that they did make it more thermally efficient by purpose / and or put software limitation. If they actually did their best, which I do not believe a second, then they should fire the whole company (with managers first) and start from 0 or stick with making printers. What a joke. 
I went from "amazing, finally" when announced to "still great" when we heard about recording limitations to "WTF is this BS" when we found out that the camera is actually almost unusable for video due to the above. 
On top of that, my camera ordered day 1 still did not ship with no date in sight. That's actually probably a good thing since if Canon doesn't fix this I am afraid my testing period will very likely end up with a return. 

Let’s do a petition on change.org for a fix from Canon. 
 

Who cares about a workaround for 4K24p?? Every camera does that since a long time. There is no workaround for 4K60p and 120p, recording externally is not option otherwise we would use proper cine camera if weight and size wasn't an issue. 
I am fine working with time limitations to get those heat producing features (like 15min max in 4K120) as long as taking stills / be in the menus do not lower those limitations and as long as the camera recovers similarly to any other camera on the market, and not in 2+ hours like it seems to be the case. 
For me it has never been about the initial time recording limitation, which are understandable, but about the recovery time and the camera heating by itself when on. The latter is what makes the camera barely usable for any usage and could have EASILY been avoided by Canon technically as proven by competitors. It's likely that they did make it more thermally efficient by purpose / and or put software limitation. If they actually did their best, which I do not believe a second, then they should fire the whole company (with managers first) and start from 0 or stick with making printers. What a joke. 
I went from "amazing, finally" when announced to "still great" when we heard about recording limitations to "WTF is this BS" when we found out that the camera is actually almost unusable for video due to the above. 
On top of that, my camera ordered day 1 still did not ship with no date in sight. That's actually probably a good thing since if Canon doesn't fix this I am afraid my testing period will very likely end up with a return. 

Who cares about a workaround for 4K24p?? Every camera does that since a long time. There is no workaround for 4K60p and 120p, recording externally is not option otherwise we would use proper cine camera if weight and size wasn't an issue. 
I am fine working with time limitations to get those heat producing features (like 15min max in 4K120) as long as taking stills / be in the menus do not lower those limitations and as long as the camera recovers similarly to any other camera on the market, and not in 2+ hours like it seems to be the case. 
For me it has never been about the initial time recording limitation, which are understandable, but about the recovery time and the camera heating by itself when on. The latter is what makes the camera barely usable for any usage and could have EASILY been avoided by Canon technically as proven by competitors. It's likely that they did make it more thermally efficient by purpose / and or put software limitation. If they actually did their best, which I do not believe a second, then they should fire the whole company (with managers first) and start from 0 or stick with making printers. What a joke. 
I went from "amazing, finally" when announced to "still great" when we heard about recording limitations to "WTF is this BS" when we found out that the camera is actually almost unusable for video due to the above. 
On top of that, my camera ordered day 1 still did not ship with no date in sight. That's actually probably a good thing since if Canon doesn't fix this I am afraid my testing period will very likely end up with a return. 

Clearly all of this smells BS from Canon with software limit. 

- Camera is cold to the touch and colder than A7SIII after overheating (as measured with a thermometer gun).
- You can't shoot HQ video after browsing menus and shooting a few stills. 
- Removing the memory card when external recording allows for hours of recording. Put that memory card in the body, and it's 45 min even though the card is inactive. 
- Overheating time is basically the same inside a house with AC and outside under the sun with high temps (unlike the A7S III and any other camera in the world).

You don't have to be an engineer (which I am) to see what Canon did right there. 

I hope they fix their mess. This camera will never be perfect (you can always expect overheating with 8K and 4K120p without active or good passive cooling) for people who need very long continuous recording. But it can be perfect for the majority of us who need a do it all hybrid, and have the ability to take several short 4K120p clips per hour, with still shooting in between. 
If they don't make it right hybrid shooters are in for another couple of year of waiting (for those who wanted a complete package of at least 4K60P 10 bits + IBIS + great AF + great stills + FF in a small package).

So we can get the worst AF in the industry? Thanks but no thanks. 
Canon should just put a passive cooling system à la A7S which is much easier for them to do than for Panasonic to have a great AF. 
Unfortunately for some weird reasons Canon decided not to cool the R5. Pretty sure someone at top management said « well at least that recording limitation will differentiate with our Cinema line. »

Does this mean you are going to back to being a Sony fanboy instead now?
Tilta seemed to get the fan out suspiciously early!
Who knows what they may have heard from insiders early on?
Firmware is not usually grounds for a recall though. Hardware adjustments are.

So we can get the worst AF in the industry? Thanks but no thanks. 
Canon should just put a passive cooling system à la A7S which is much easier for them to do than for Panasonic to have a great AF. 
Unfortunately for some weird reasons Canon decided not to cool the R5. Pretty sure someone at top management said « well at least that recording limitation will differentiate with our Cinema line. »

Tony Northrup latest videos shows direct comparison of footage between R6 and A7S in 4K60p. The R6 is cleaner and sharper, which is mind blowing at $1000 less. Also a much better photo tool at 20mpx vs 12mpx. 

 

Could also say Canon puts Sony to shame with an IBIS so much better it looks like 5y technology difference, with much better body and ergonomics, no crop in 4K120, an more importantly actual stills capability (VS 12mpx, it’s not 1990).
Everything is relative. We all have different needs. Neither products are bad in this case. Except the overheating if indeed the R5 can’t record a video after 30 stills (I still have a hard time believing that) and that Canon doesn’t do anything about it. 

https://www.canonrumors.com/whats-next-for-the-canon-eos-r5-and-canon-eos-r6/
 
your report and this article. All seems to point to a recall / hardware fix.
They completely screwed the launch, but that’s good news. Because that means the camera which was going to be the perfect hybrid and that ended up being wasted due to overheating will indeed maybe become perfect if they fix it. 

Well 2 videos now say outside it shuts down before the R5, and that’s in 24p in the last video. The R5 has a usable 24p mode with unlimited recording. 
Wait a minute, the A7S III shuts down in 23 min when recording in 85F weather, in 24P?! When the Canon can record unlimited line skipped 4K24p, an more time in 4K24P HQ? 

I am waiting for Andrew’s post about suing Sony. 

Joke appart, I still think that overall the  Sony will be more usable for people who need to shoot longer videos: it seems the Sony recovers from over heating in minutes and has no problem in interior scenarios
For people like me who do not need longer recording time (interviews, production...) the question is still open. 

From all the videos published so far it seems pretty obvious that overall the A7SIII will perform better with overheating but can still overheat especially in 4K120P. I do not think it will be an issue for most in real world. 

The R5 is where the big question stands, will it be usable for most (we already know it won't work for productions or people needing long recording).

If the R5 proves to be usable (I ordered day 1 and will report my tests) that's the keeper for me. I am 60% photo 40% video at the moment so those 45mpx are important. Also the IBIS is world appart.

So far from what I saw:
4k <= 30fps details:                                       R5
4k > 30fps details:                                         A7S
DR:                                                                     ?
RS:                                                                     R5 but to be confirmed in which modes.
Photo:                                                               R5
Thermal:                                                           A7S but seems an issue here too.
Card max size:                                                 R5
Dual card recording:                                     A7S
10bit 4:2:0 NLE HW accelerated:               A7S (to be confirmed by test)
RAW                                                                  R5
Lowlight                                                           A7S
120p with audio                                             A7S
Colors                                                               R5 (still to be compared)
AF                                                                       ?
Super35                                                            R5
Audio                                                                 A7S with the adapter
HDMI                                                                 A7S
Battery                                                              ?
IBIS                                                                    R5
 
 
Ugliest menu color😊                                  A7S
 
These two cameras they should have a baby and then it would be the one 😊