Dean

I'm not doubting some vintage lenses have a different look when used with modern cameras, however when I used my MF Nikkors on my Samsung NX1, I could not really see any difference compared to using native "S" lenses. Sharpness, colour and contrast were all of a very comparable level. The lenses I used were 28/2 Ai-S, 50/1.2 Ai-S, 105/2.5 Ai-S and 180/2.8 Ai-S ... all of which are incredible optics.
I've been shooting MF Nikkor glass (photographically) since the release the D700 until now and I can not seee any real difference most of the time between these lenses and the modern Nikon lenses I have such as the 1.8 primes and the 24-70/2.8 etc when shot on a Nikon camera. They all seem to have an almost identical look & colour signature. The only Nikon lens I've had that was not identical to the rest was the 58/1.4 which IMO has a different look.
I have never used my MF Nikkors on a Panasonic camera so I just can't compare the image to native Pana lenses.
Also, if the MF Nikkors look more organic on a modern Panasonic, I'd wager that the ultra modern Nikkors are also going to look organic because IMO there is little to no difference between the signatures of the AF modern lenses or the older MF Nikkors  
@kidzrevil or anyone for that matter using MF Nikoors on a Pana ... , I'm not disputing what you all say about the image looking more organic using MF Nikon lenses because I never tried, but can you show me what you mean by them looking different (organic) compared to native Pana lenses ... say on the same Pana body settings like default Natural or Standard? I can not find any of these tests online. I'd be really interested to see what the difference is before I spring for a Metabones Speedbooster.
On the Samsung NX1 they didn't look more vintage or organic at all. They looked super sharp and had great contrast just as they do o n my D750 or D800e ... they didn't look vintage or organic at all.
Don't get me wrong, I absolutely love my MF Nikon collection (around 15 lenses) but having an organic or vintage look to the was never part f the appeal. I love these lenses because I love the tactility of manually focusing in photography along with the build quality, aesthetics and price of these lenses   
Cheers.

I'm not doubting some vintage lenses have a different look when used with modern cameras, however when I used my MF Nikkors on my Samsung NX1, I could not really see any difference compared to using native "S" lenses. Sharpness, colour and contrast were all of a very comparable level. The lenses I used were 28/2 Ai-S, 50/1.2 Ai-S, 105/2.5 Ai-S and 180/2.8 Ai-S ... all of which are incredible optics.
I've been shooting MF Nikkor glass (photographically) since the release the D700 until now and I can not seee any real difference most of the time between these lenses and the modern Nikon lenses I have such as the 1.8 primes and the 24-70/2.8 etc when shot on a Nikon camera. They all seem to have an almost identical look & colour signature. The only Nikon lens I've had that was not identical to the rest was the 58/1.4 which IMO has a different look.
I have never used my MF Nikkors on a Panasonic camera so I just can't compare the image to native Pana lenses.
Also, if the MF Nikkors look more organic on a modern Panasonic, I'd wager that the ultra modern Nikkors are also going to look organic because IMO there is little to no difference between the signatures of the AF modern lenses or the older MF Nikkors  
@kidzrevil or anyone for that matter using MF Nikoors on a Pana ... , I'm not disputing what you all say about the image looking more organic using MF Nikon lenses because I never tried, but can you show me what you mean by them looking different (organic) compared to native Pana lenses ... say on the same Pana body settings like default Natural or Standard? I can not find any of these tests online. I'd be really interested to see what the difference is before I spring for a Metabones Speedbooster.
On the Samsung NX1 they didn't look more vintage or organic at all. They looked super sharp and had great contrast just as they do o n my D750 or D800e ... they didn't look vintage or organic at all.
Don't get me wrong, I absolutely love my MF Nikon collection (around 15 lenses) but having an organic or vintage look to the was never part f the appeal. I love these lenses because I love the tactility of manually focusing in photography along with the build quality, aesthetics and price of these lenses   
Cheers.

You are doing well expressing yourself considering English is not your first language !! It must be difficult.
I had the NX1 for a fair while and now have the GX85 & G85. 
I think keep your NX1 and get a GX85 as well. The GX85 will be a lighter (and very capable) alternative. Maybe get a 15/1.7 for the GX85 and use it those times you don't want carry the NX1 and heavy "S" lenses around.
Cheers.
 
Edit: Just realised you sold everything
Maybe get a G85 and 12-35 !!

Brilliant. Great read. 
This thing has a mind-boggling amount of features !!

Brilliant. Great read. 
This thing has a mind-boggling amount of features !!

I guess you still can't have the screen and EVF in "Sunny" mode when filming 4k can you? I doubt the 6500 has fixed this. Hard to film what you can't see on sunny days. I sold my A7Rii because of this. I'd be interested to see their A7Riii and if they have this overheating issue fixed once and for all.

For street stuff, I much prefer some sort of gritty looking grade over a neutral look. But for close up skin tones like in the clip of my wife (not my mother btw  ... I won't tell her you said that. LOL) yes, for sure the first looks better.
HK is great for street photography ... very colourful and arty city with a broad mix of people. It's one of the many reasons I love living here  An amazing place for sure.
I have loads and loads of street clips I've shot with the GX85 & recently the G85 over the last two months but I've been to lazy to edit any of them but started going through them today looking for some interesting stuff. 

Few Test shots with the 25/0.95 SLR Magic on the GX85. SOOC ... no correction at all. Just exported ProRes422 Master on FCPX and uploaded to Vimeo.
Seems like a very nice lens. All these were taken @ 0.95 which seems usable up close but not from a distance (very low resolution @ 0.95 ... like my Nikon AiS 50/1.2 when used @ 1.2). By 1.4 things are looking good.
Focusing is silky on this lens and the IBIS makes using it handheld a dream !! Not sure I could ever use a no IBIS cam again.
I think these settings are fine for skin colours too. Looks very close to the actual colour of my wife's skin
The settings go well with FilmConvert GH4 Natural profile as well which I understand are developed to use at default levels anyway (Contrast & Saturation).
Natural
Contrast: 0
Sharpness: -5
Noise Reduction: -5
Saturation: 0
SLR Magic Vari ND
 
 
 

Thanks gents. Will enter 25mm. Cheers !!

Thanks gents. Will enter 25mm. Cheers !!

Thank you, Jon !! Cheers.
 

OK, great to know. Cheers.

@jase, here's a fast comparison between GH3 and GH4 profiles from FilmConvert applied to GX85 files, in case anyone's interested.
Film: Fuji 8543VD Film Color: 80 Curve: 40 Grain: 0 Not that much of a difference but I see less green/magenta shifting with the GH3 profile.
GH3 NAT

GH3 STD

GH4 NAT

GH4 STD

ORIGINAL

Just got a response from FilmConvert regarding whether they will be doing profiles for the GX85 and G85 ... good news !! Here's their response ...
"Hi Dean, thanks for your email - yes to both questions the GX/85 is definitely on our list, we're actually about to survey our users to help set our camera profiling priorities for the next few months, so don't forget to submit your request. The GH4 profile is probably a good first bet.
Best Regards
The FilmConvert Team
www.filmconvert.com"

Just got a response from FilmConvert regarding whether they will be doing profiles for the GX85 and G85 ... good news !! Here's their response ...
"Hi Dean, thanks for your email - yes to both questions the GX/85 is definitely on our list, we're actually about to survey our users to help set our camera profiling priorities for the next few months, so don't forget to submit your request. The GH4 profile is probably a good first bet.
Best Regards
The FilmConvert Team
www.filmconvert.com"

This is a really really nice camera but I'm going to sell it. I just can't get on with the FAS .. I hate it  I've tried over the last few weeks but it's just not happening. First camera I've ever used with an FAS and I didn't realise how much different it would be for street shooting compared to using tilting screen. I find the tilting screen so much more stealthy. Guess its just personal preference as most love a FAS.
Anyway, I have my GX85 

GH5 NEW FEATURES! (I have asked most of them for years, thanks Panasonic)
-auto iso in M with EV comp and with auto iso range setting.
-min shutter speed limit.
-iso100 for video!
-folder and file custom naming
-the whole camera status save/load option to SD card (ability to share settings between GH5s)

Like Andrew, I am a fan of blacks being black.  That's how this piece was deliberately graded (in the link)  I detest the LOG grades people seem to be doing these days.  I haven't found that the camera is short any detail in blacks more than others of similar specs.  Perhaps you're not liking their flat curve, and it sure could be bent a little more.
But I think a very loggy image with an 8 bit codec doesn't work either when you try to put contrast back in.  It's a fine line trying to stretch DR over 8 bits. Not many do it, but the Oly cameras also have their great curve editor so you can make your own flatter profile.  Give it a try !  INterested if anyone has ?  It's what I used to do before the FLAT profile.  Sometimes it's good, but I find it's diminishing returns to try and put a nice look back onto the image.
And yes, the EM5 Mark II is meant to be their "video" oriented model.  But it does have a different sensor family.  Personally for stills I very much prefer the EM1 Mark 2 and the video is a very decent improvement over the EM5 mark 2 for many practical reasons.  4K helps a lot too.
Look at how far they've come within 2 models of suddenly waking up and taking video seriously.  I have been active with Olympus and they really are listening and want to improve their video capabilities. They're never going to make a fully video oriented model, as photos and optics (and actually mostly endoscopes) are their core business but, I've been pleasantly surprised at how a they've come, and that's from sitting on the inside somewhat of product development.
And they know what semi professional, serious enthusiast users want from video now...it's up to them to see what they can add, but they've always been true innovators.  It's why I've always liked them.  I've been shooting Olympus digital still since the E1 (Kodak CCD sensor back then) 
They don't get enough credit really when you look at what they've done.  They have always been genuinely innovative. They created the ultrasonic sensor clean, they were the first to do live view, their cameras and lenses have always been smaller, lighter, robust and weatherproof.  They just haven't been paying attention to video till recently.  Now they've woken up.  
What's fascinating about Olympus is that the imaging division is a small part of their business however, it's R&D is what drives their innovation in their cash cow, the endoscope market, in which they currently have a stranglehold of something like 70% of all that business.  So the R&D in the camera division means their medical imaging division stays so far ahead of everyone else.
I'm a few weeks away from releasing some studio test footage.  I'll do some Alexa side by sides and we'll see how that goes....:-)
JB
Disclaimer - I've shot Olympus cameras for years, but I'm now an Olympus Visionary and have travelled and met with the wonderful people at Olympus Japan for the purposes of bringing better video features to these cameras :-)
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

I'm no expert but I went down this road looking for a reasonable sized fluid head for mirrorless ... doesn't exist IMO.
They are all crap unless you get a heavy one  
None of the smaller ones I tried (inc the Benros) seemed that great. Not very "fluid" for tilts and pans.
I used my friends Miller AIR and that was just in a different universe ... absolutely beautiful to use !! Doesn't seem there is any escape from using heavy fluid heads if you want smooth action.
If your always inside it probably wouldn't matter that much anyway. Cheers.

Tomorrow is the premier of GH5. The camera will be in stores later in spring. They are making final adjustments for FW. I hope the GH5 will have:
-auto iso in M with EC for photos and video
-auto iso and shutter speed limit for photos and video
-showing exposure values in all video modes
-semi-auto exposure mode for video. Exposure, focus and AWB sets when starting the video and then stays unchanged. Canceled by pressing AE-lock.
-separate AE-lock, AF-lock and WB-lock (FN-buttons)
-all menu items for FN-buttons
-during dialing iso should not block seeing other values
-AF+MF should work all the time when ON. (not only with half press)
-manual focus shift (focus pull) via FN-buttons with adjustable speed
-EV comp and video buttons programmable for FN use.
-adjustable EVF sharpness
-EVF protecting cover
-sensor zooming or different crops for 4k video
-more accurate and wider histogram with better warnings (like in Olympus)
-My menu for favorite menu items
-symbol for idynamic and wind filter in displays
-ability to save the whole camera setup with names like indoors, outdoors, etc
-more range for bracketing (-2,0,+2)
-play button to right side via FN-button
-iso100 for video
-no need for using everything in manual if using very slow shutter for video (less than 1/25s)
These are little things and mostly doable with FW programming.

I hate the screen dimming even more than the overheating. I'd rather the camera overheat 10% quicker but I can actually see what I shoot.

I have both now. It really just boils down to the handling I think when deciding which one to buy however there are differences. I doubt there is any difference in IQ for stills or video with these two cameras though. The G85 is amazing value for money IMO.
 The G85 IMO is a nicer camera to use and work with because of it's form factor, but they both have their place in my life  I'll keep both for sure. I like the G85 with the 12-35/2.8 and the 35-100/2.8 but the GX85 is just such great fun when used with the 15/1.7.
The G85 is nicer to hold and use. It's very solid feeling but very light at the same time ... I think there's only 70gm difference between the two bodies. The grip is just great on the G85 also (not talking about the optional grip ... just the grip on the actual cam). Weather sealing on the G85 is a plus for me as I enjoy shooting in the rain.
You also don't need to program the memory functions with the G85. When shooting around the streets or on vacation, I often quickly change between stills & video and also change between different types of stills shooting (static objects in Aperture priority with AF-S  as well as moving people with Shutter priority, AF-S and burst mode & auto ISO. With the G85 I find I can make these adjustments VERY quickly with the dials on the cam as I'm approaching the subject ... I love this aspect of the G85 ... all it's dials.
I only briefly used Cinelike D and it seemed a lot flatter than standard profiles, but have no idea how it compares to -5 contrast on Natural. Haven't tried using FilmConvert over the CineD profile but I'm sure it's good.
The EVF is nicer on the G85.
Haven't used the G85 that much, but it feels like the internal IBIS is better on the G85 when used with the 12-35/2.8. Even the 35-100/2.8 was super stable when filming all the way out to 100mm. Maybe it's just the larger form factor of the G85 that makes it feel more stable ... not sure.
If I had to choose one I'd take the G85 though ... excellent handling, nice EVF and a flippy screen with dials everywhere in a tough but small package !!
The G85 feels very goldilocks to me ... very much reminds me of using my most goldilocks of all AF film cameras ... the Nikon F80
Only thing missing is min shutter speed with auto iso but thats missing in every freaken pana camera !!!!!!!! MAYBE the GH5 will have this but probably not.
.... And ... why can't we have a paid VLOG option for the G85 !!!
Here's a nice comparison between the two cams for you ...
http://mirrorlesscomparison.com/panasonic-vs-panasonic/lumix-g85-vs-gx85-g80-vs-gx80/
Good luck.
 
 
 

I have both now. It really just boils down to the handling I think when deciding which one to buy however there are differences. I doubt there is any difference in IQ for stills or video with these two cameras though. The G85 is amazing value for money IMO.
 The G85 IMO is a nicer camera to use and work with because of it's form factor, but they both have their place in my life  I'll keep both for sure. I like the G85 with the 12-35/2.8 and the 35-100/2.8 but the GX85 is just such great fun when used with the 15/1.7.
The G85 is nicer to hold and use. It's very solid feeling but very light at the same time ... I think there's only 70gm difference between the two bodies. The grip is just great on the G85 also (not talking about the optional grip ... just the grip on the actual cam). Weather sealing on the G85 is a plus for me as I enjoy shooting in the rain.
You also don't need to program the memory functions with the G85. When shooting around the streets or on vacation, I often quickly change between stills & video and also change between different types of stills shooting (static objects in Aperture priority with AF-S  as well as moving people with Shutter priority, AF-S and burst mode & auto ISO. With the G85 I find I can make these adjustments VERY quickly with the dials on the cam as I'm approaching the subject ... I love this aspect of the G85 ... all it's dials.
I only briefly used Cinelike D and it seemed a lot flatter than standard profiles, but have no idea how it compares to -5 contrast on Natural. Haven't tried using FilmConvert over the CineD profile but I'm sure it's good.
The EVF is nicer on the G85.
Haven't used the G85 that much, but it feels like the internal IBIS is better on the G85 when used with the 12-35/2.8. Even the 35-100/2.8 was super stable when filming all the way out to 100mm. Maybe it's just the larger form factor of the G85 that makes it feel more stable ... not sure.
If I had to choose one I'd take the G85 though ... excellent handling, nice EVF and a flippy screen with dials everywhere in a tough but small package !!
The G85 feels very goldilocks to me ... very much reminds me of using my most goldilocks of all AF film cameras ... the Nikon F80
Only thing missing is min shutter speed with auto iso but thats missing in every freaken pana camera !!!!!!!! MAYBE the GH5 will have this but probably not.
.... And ... why can't we have a paid VLOG option for the G85 !!!
Here's a nice comparison between the two cams for you ...
http://mirrorlesscomparison.com/panasonic-vs-panasonic/lumix-g85-vs-gx85-g80-vs-gx80/
Good luck.
 
 
 

I have both now. It really just boils down to the handling I think when deciding which one to buy however there are differences. I doubt there is any difference in IQ for stills or video with these two cameras though. The G85 is amazing value for money IMO.
 The G85 IMO is a nicer camera to use and work with because of it's form factor, but they both have their place in my life  I'll keep both for sure. I like the G85 with the 12-35/2.8 and the 35-100/2.8 but the GX85 is just such great fun when used with the 15/1.7.
The G85 is nicer to hold and use. It's very solid feeling but very light at the same time ... I think there's only 70gm difference between the two bodies. The grip is just great on the G85 also (not talking about the optional grip ... just the grip on the actual cam). Weather sealing on the G85 is a plus for me as I enjoy shooting in the rain.
You also don't need to program the memory functions with the G85. When shooting around the streets or on vacation, I often quickly change between stills & video and also change between different types of stills shooting (static objects in Aperture priority with AF-S  as well as moving people with Shutter priority, AF-S and burst mode & auto ISO. With the G85 I find I can make these adjustments VERY quickly with the dials on the cam as I'm approaching the subject ... I love this aspect of the G85 ... all it's dials.
I only briefly used Cinelike D and it seemed a lot flatter than standard profiles, but have no idea how it compares to -5 contrast on Natural. Haven't tried using FilmConvert over the CineD profile but I'm sure it's good.
The EVF is nicer on the G85.
Haven't used the G85 that much, but it feels like the internal IBIS is better on the G85 when used with the 12-35/2.8. Even the 35-100/2.8 was super stable when filming all the way out to 100mm. Maybe it's just the larger form factor of the G85 that makes it feel more stable ... not sure.
If I had to choose one I'd take the G85 though ... excellent handling, nice EVF and a flippy screen with dials everywhere in a tough but small package !!
The G85 feels very goldilocks to me ... very much reminds me of using my most goldilocks of all AF film cameras ... the Nikon F80
Only thing missing is min shutter speed with auto iso but thats missing in every freaken pana camera !!!!!!!! MAYBE the GH5 will have this but probably not.
.... And ... why can't we have a paid VLOG option for the G85 !!!
Here's a nice comparison between the two cams for you ...
http://mirrorlesscomparison.com/panasonic-vs-panasonic/lumix-g85-vs-gx85-g80-vs-gx80/
Good luck.
 
 
 

I have both now. It really just boils down to the handling I think when deciding which one to buy however there are differences. I doubt there is any difference in IQ for stills or video with these two cameras though. The G85 is amazing value for money IMO.
 The G85 IMO is a nicer camera to use and work with because of it's form factor, but they both have their place in my life  I'll keep both for sure. I like the G85 with the 12-35/2.8 and the 35-100/2.8 but the GX85 is just such great fun when used with the 15/1.7.
The G85 is nicer to hold and use. It's very solid feeling but very light at the same time ... I think there's only 70gm difference between the two bodies. The grip is just great on the G85 also (not talking about the optional grip ... just the grip on the actual cam). Weather sealing on the G85 is a plus for me as I enjoy shooting in the rain.
You also don't need to program the memory functions with the G85. When shooting around the streets or on vacation, I often quickly change between stills & video and also change between different types of stills shooting (static objects in Aperture priority with AF-S  as well as moving people with Shutter priority, AF-S and burst mode & auto ISO. With the G85 I find I can make these adjustments VERY quickly with the dials on the cam as I'm approaching the subject ... I love this aspect of the G85 ... all it's dials.
I only briefly used Cinelike D and it seemed a lot flatter than standard profiles, but have no idea how it compares to -5 contrast on Natural. Haven't tried using FilmConvert over the CineD profile but I'm sure it's good.
The EVF is nicer on the G85.
Haven't used the G85 that much, but it feels like the internal IBIS is better on the G85 when used with the 12-35/2.8. Even the 35-100/2.8 was super stable when filming all the way out to 100mm. Maybe it's just the larger form factor of the G85 that makes it feel more stable ... not sure.
If I had to choose one I'd take the G85 though ... excellent handling, nice EVF and a flippy screen with dials everywhere in a tough but small package !!
The G85 feels very goldilocks to me ... very much reminds me of using my most goldilocks of all AF film cameras ... the Nikon F80
Only thing missing is min shutter speed with auto iso but thats missing in every freaken pana camera !!!!!!!! MAYBE the GH5 will have this but probably not.
.... And ... why can't we have a paid VLOG option for the G85 !!!
Here's a nice comparison between the two cams for you ...
http://mirrorlesscomparison.com/panasonic-vs-panasonic/lumix-g85-vs-gx85-g80-vs-gx80/
Good luck.