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Saw this tweet:
"John Wick 2: 2k, Alien covenant: 2k, Arrival: 2k, Fury Road: 2k. Do people really think they are getting actual 4k resolution movies?"
 
https://twitter.com/RuairiRobinson/status/912865327221846016
 
People shouldn't feel pressured to buy a 4K camera (plus almost all VFX, with some rare exceptions, is not done in 4K! And with how VFX heavy films are these days, even the 4K films are typically having a lot that is not 4K)

I put it together, I found these on Vimeo. I was looking at this camera 3 years ago, and found a lot of these examples on Vimeo. I ended up buying three of these F3's, as the price with the S Log RGB was $1,800 to $2,000 (with a few extras as well!) you can't beat the F3 for the money. And built very well with all the HDSDI outputs. I find it can shoot just about anything you can throw at it  I recommend the Optitek FZ to Nikon or Canon lens convertor, it's rock solid and locks the Nikon or canon lens on the F3 without any jiggle or play. I use my Odyssey 7Q+ and together they work a charm. 

Apparently the gang over at DVX User are still fans as well.
http://www.dvxuser.com/V6/showthread.php?356594-Maximum-F3

Ok, this is what I've been waiting for. From what footage I have seen the GH5 > EVA1 + C200. This camera rocks. Load of new firmware now imminent. I am quite excited to see what I can do with it. I just watched a few videos on YouTube of the new firmware... great DR, detail in the shadows is good. Also shadow noise seems a non-issue with this firmware. I am sure it will not be perfect in every way, but this is pretty good from what I can see. Even with YouTube compression, the footage still holds up. Nice work Panasonic!
This is a good day for the GH5 faithful and a good day for content creators as a whole. Win Win

Ha! Did you look up what it was shot on, or did you already know? ;-)

I posted it because I get a little tired sometimes of discussions  of higher end cameras as "cinematic", or writing off various cameras as *not* cinematic.

Basically we're living in an amazing time of abundance, with a luxury of choices when it comes to cameras. 

*Any* dedicated video camera with interchangeable lens mount and 4K is a top notch choice that can be "cinematic",
As your lighting/grading/composition/movement/filters/lenses/etc will all add up to making a much much greater difference than whatever camera you choose from those options!

If a person is not happy their results are not "cinematic" with such a camera, then very likely the problems lies with themselves! Not the camera body. 

Ha! Did you look up what it was shot on, or did you already know? ;-)

I posted it because I get a little tired sometimes of discussions  of higher end cameras as "cinematic", or writing off various cameras as *not* cinematic.

Basically we're living in an amazing time of abundance, with a luxury of choices when it comes to cameras. 

*Any* dedicated video camera with interchangeable lens mount and 4K is a top notch choice that can be "cinematic",
As your lighting/grading/composition/movement/filters/lenses/etc will all add up to making a much much greater difference than whatever camera you choose from those options!

If a person is not happy their results are not "cinematic" with such a camera, then very likely the problems lies with themselves! Not the camera body. 

Even 900$ is a silly number. You had to pay double the money a couple of years ago for similar things, triple the money for much less 5 years ago, before that most things that it does weren't even possible. Canon's latest M cameras cost as much, or more doing much less (except Dual Pixel of course).
You have to put things in perspective. 
For some, GH4 is still the second best m43 video camera, with even 10bit capabilities.
GH5 is as new as you can get. There is a 2 month waiting list in my country, I do not see a GH6 possible for at least 2020, but I see a couple of more significant hardware updates in the next couple of years.
Firmware 2.0 it is just out by the way, and tell me what other camera does all those things for less than 1999$.
Only Sony is close to reach Dual Pixel, and all their latest cameras are nowhere near the Canon AF experience.

Ha! Did you look up what it was shot on, or did you already know? ;-)

I posted it because I get a little tired sometimes of discussions  of higher end cameras as "cinematic", or writing off various cameras as *not* cinematic.

Basically we're living in an amazing time of abundance, with a luxury of choices when it comes to cameras. 

*Any* dedicated video camera with interchangeable lens mount and 4K is a top notch choice that can be "cinematic",
As your lighting/grading/composition/movement/filters/lenses/etc will all add up to making a much much greater difference than whatever camera you choose from those options!

If a person is not happy their results are not "cinematic" with such a camera, then very likely the problems lies with themselves! Not the camera body. 

Has timecode and genlock too, which I as a soundie appreciate.

I love the D16. I even bought it twice
 

HD? PL? S35? 60p? NDs? DR? Colors? Lowlight?

Sounds like you just described the Sony PMW-F3! ;-) 
Smart!!
No contest.
F3 wins.

Yeah, JVC LS300 or secondhand Sony FS700 are probably the only other S35 cinema cameras with NDs I'd consider on an ultra low budget, other than the Sony F3.
Rather go with a BMD Pocket/Micro than the BMCC

To get that kind of footage I reckon I could get used to that. Shot with fs700 in the past. They are getting quite cheap we’re I live now, might be time.

this is the setup

Yup, all businesses practice segmentation of some sort or another. 
And yup, Canon does it far worse than Panasonic! (or Sony)

The G85 is a year old now, the GX85 about 1.5yrs. I'm not sure it's fair to compare them to the 6mo-old GH5, rather than the GH4, which they outclassed in some ways. The G90 and GX90 (or whatever the next generation are called) will certainly get some trickle-down features from the GH5.
Personally, all I feel I can reasonably ask to be improved on my G85 would be higher-bitrate 1080p. 25mbps is a bit too skimpy when things start moving. Outside of that, it's been a great upgrade/sidegrade from the GH4 for me. Better color, better lowlight, and most importantly, IBIS.
I paid $550 for the camera, I don't expect it to share everything with the quadruply-expensive GH5- even if it technically could (i.e. "artificial" marketing segmentation) share some things. Panasonic has every right to do this, both legally, and I even feel, "morally"- Panasonic is by far the most responsive to our segment of the market, and even if their cameras are "artificially" limited, they're still by far the best value on the DSLR/DSLM market for shooting video. If I was going to expend energy bitching at/about a camera company, Panasonic certainly wouldn't be my first choice.
The way I see it, get busy switching, or get busy hacking, because I don't see much coming of the angst otherwise.
Will it, though, actually? The last Panasonic to be hacked was the GH2. Vitaliy hasn't had any luck with the GH3 onwards, and Magic Lantern's work is all Canon-based, I don't see them starting from square one when they have their hands full with the Canons. I think holding out hope for a hack is a complete pipe dream at this point.

I'm not really following this....are you suggesting that regardless of which camera you buy from Panasonic, or what you pay for it, all their cameras should be capable of the same features and IQ?

DualPixel AF? I prefer MF. Counter feature carried over to new cameras: IBIS.
Canon colors? The post-GH4 generation actually has quite decent color. Counter feature: mirrorless bells 'n whistles, 4K & exposure/focus aids and overlays on every camera.
APS-C/FF VS 4/3"? Canon noise performance on the APS-C models isn't much better. And you can bridge the gap with bright wide lenses (crop/depth of field) and focal reducers. Counter 'feature': much smaller lenses can be used with each camera.
That's about the 3 things that could make me say 'ah, yeah, well, Canon does this', yet aren't close to being dealmakers for me.
What I couldn't do much about would be having Canon 2010-ish 1080p that isn't even actual 1080p... so yeah, for me Canon is far worse, pushing you towards the C-line up or 1D_ or FF bodies that are a couple 'o grand each or having to ML the shit out of your camera with tedious workflows.
Panasonic does give you a lot with their cameras, just they make very distinct separations between each, which is actually a benefit to the consumer... camera is smaller, less complex, cheaper to make = cheaper to buy. You want the better features? You pay more. Just, acceptably more (imho), rather than Canon that really just takes the piss out of consumers that buy cheaper cameras but hardly get much added benefit over a 2010 T2i/550D looking at the quality of the results. But you know, to each their own.

Don't underestimate how much heat is generated by encoding video, and how the bodies size factors into what features it gets.

Of course it's true. Actually as well for hardware, like the GX isn't intended to have CineLike profiles or an audio interface. So you're forced out of that category of camera if you want some more. Same goes for the G of course. They'll let it lack certain features making you ache for a GH. Though... atleast they do it in a sort of understandable fashion, like, from a business perspective. The segmentation game Canon is playing is far worse.

What WOULD you get? Considering your channel is all about getting good deals, maybe you have something to recommend for the up to 4k price bracket for a ready to shoot package?

@mercer You got me by the second

Sony F3

BOOM!

Ticks of all of your boxes and, if you are lucky, you can get away with a 4:4:4 version.

It really is not such a big deal to be lacking 444

As to record 444 you need a fairly expensive recorder, which kinda defeats the purpose of buying this amazing camera on the cheap?!

While it can still do great ProRes HQ with a very cheap HD recorder.

This is the point I've been long making.
 
That the  feeder network of cameras matters a lot for sales success of the higher end cameras.
 
Thus Panasonic made a massive blunder with their Panasonic EVA1.
 
They have a massive success with their Panasonic GH series of the years. Then you have the Panasonic Varicam LT which is a top notch high end camera.
The Panasonic EVA1 was the golden opportunity to build a bridge between those two worlds Panasonic has succeeded in!!
& provide a pathway up for GH series owners. But Panasonic failed to have a MFT version of the Panasonic EVA1.
 
While this is an area Sony is doing successfully. You could start out with say a NEX-5N or a5100, then move up to an a7Rmk2, then secondhand FS700 for 4K raw, then an FS7mk2, and then a VENICE!!!
All the way along you get to stick with the same E mount throughout! Genius! 
Have you seen CHDK??
Magic Lantern was so successful because they got to build on top of that success.
 
You won't see Magic Lantern for any other camera ever happening any time soon, without that massive amount of groundwork being laid beforehand.

in DPR forum I know only 3 or 4 female active users (one of them has the most accurate knowledge about optics), and its the most popular photography website! virtu signaling about equality and diversity solves nothing, they can add few females photogs next time and survive the PR disasters. That's what companies are doing, even in the west. Apple ad contents look super inclusive, liberal and cover almost any minority in the American society, but their work space is noticeably male dominated. No, Apple is not sexist, they hire whoever they think is capable of increasing their profit, it's not their fault that many of them are still male, but they advertise in a way you think reality has changed dramatically! I don't want corporations fool me about social issues. I want higher "real" engagement from women in photography community, and I don't think women necessarily need a woman to tell them they can engage more.   

And I think @Andrew Reid response was just a pun on Ebrahim as in its a female so would be Ebra-her rather than Ebra-him